a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

AyameTaylor

#1Jan 26th, 2012

According to an article I have read On the Yahoo News Site, Gingrich Former house speaker plans to have America once again leading the pack in to the ambitious adventure that is space flight. Openly brandishing the "grandiose" Plans that America will have a Manned Permanent colony on the Moon By 2020, and "It Will Be American" Just further stressed the point that American's Head is too far in the clouds.

When will the nation's government come to terms with the idea that Bad-Boy-Big-Brother, Or B.B.B.B for short; Isn't the Tanked-out-muscle "Jar Head" nation it once was during World War One and the later bits of World War Two?

I see a continuation of the behavior that sparks Conspiratorial theory's round the world that says that America must own everything.

Why doesn't the government worry about the problems here on earth before they start the treck out in to the universe; Simply put, you have to learn to keep your room clean as a child or as an adult your not going to see much of a floor as an adult.

Here's the News Article that i found; Anyone else have anything to add?

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L Gilbert

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Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

I think a dent in (to borrow JLM's term) Noot Gangene's plan is the small matter of USA debt. What's his plans for that?
Noot's just like other Reps in that he seems to plan for all kinds of external activities to take people's minds off his inabilities to deal with the internal difficulties. I see a growing debt under him, and more internal grief if he pops up with projects like this.
Unfortunately, Although China isn't really in a position to cause much financial trouble with the USA, I don't think China likes to sit still with the status quo like the US does and it will continue to forge ahead and may sometime in the future, call the US debt in. And that would cause all kinds of grief in Yankeeland.

WLDB

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

If they tried they can probably get a manned mission to the moon by 2020. Permanent? Not a chance in that time frame. Its not a priority. No one is going to elect someone with this goal given the current situation.

AyameTaylor

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Here is a question that i think should be posed; If we where to get a Manned Mission to the moon by 2020 and have a permanent lunar base; Then who would be responsible for governing it? In all honesty Are we going to be cutting up the moon in to the political pie the world has been eating since territories have been established?

IN all honesty; What i want to know- assuming this does happen, How would people lay claim over the moon? Would the world accept the U.s.a. being in charge? Or would the world fight over it? Please explain your answer- Highly interesting topic for me.

spaminator

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

perhaps they should first figure out how to bioform and terraform the moon.

AyameTaylor

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator

perhaps they should first figure out how to bioform and terraform the moon.

Ah but here is the problem, It was established a LONG time ago that by adding mass to the moon it will disrupt the balance of nature here on earth. Our basic living needs are pulled and pushed by the moon's cycle. Tides, Weather, Pressure systems Ect. are controlled by the moon gravitational pull. So by putting a Manned station on the moon is a BAD idea to begin with.... just a thought.

Spade

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Nonsense; the mass of a manned station would be a negligible percentage of the moon's mass.
A better question is, "Does the US have the technological capacity to put a manned mission on the moon, let alone a station?" It is decades away unless it is a joint venture with other nations such as China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

Cliffy

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

Nonsense; the mass of a manned station would be a negligible percentage of the moon's mass.
A better question is, "Does the US have the technological capacity to put a manned mission on the moon, let alone a station?" It is decades away unless it is a joint venture with other nations such as China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

I think the response was to the bioforming and terraforming of the moon. That would add considerable mass. With the NWO soon upon us, I can see a one world government able to pull this off sooner that any one nation could.

AyameTaylor

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what the heck is NWO?

spaminator

#10

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what the heck is NWO?

new world order

Cliffy

#11

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what the heck is NWO?

Google it. It may make you crap your pants.

AyameTaylor

#12

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Oh Right... God, I did sound like an Idoit.

In that respect.

Would a One world government work? On Paper it looks nice and shiney. But at the end of the day, Humanity is not at a point where one world government would be a productive society and not turn in to an apparent Dictatorship. Unfortunately Humanity needs opposition, and at current we don't have a UFO invasion to be our opposition.

In stead of a One world government united; Why not have a Two Government system that continuiously Checks one another. Keeps each other in line. Of course it would be flawed, but nothing created by human-kind is perfect. In this, if it where to come about (Obviously after laying a foundation of blood as seems to be a historical custom).

With today's Technology, why isn't the idea of a manned space-station on the moon something conceivable? Science Fiction has been laying the ground work of plotting and planning for what is Believable? If we can control and evade Debrise in space with our satilights, and have manned stations in earths orbit, what is the difference of starting one on the moon?

It's a matter of jurisdiction over who own's it. Unless the split government application there in applies, and then again the division of the lunar base would be more of an embassy of Terrestrial and Universe living peoples.

Just a thought, or five lol

EagleSmack

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Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

IN all honesty; What i want to know- assuming this does happen, How would people lay claim over the moon? Would the world accept the U.s.a. being in charge? Or would the world fight over it? Please explain your answer- Highly interesting topic for me.

IF the US had a manned base on the moon... IF... unless another country was up there with us I doubt anyone would have a say.

Would the world fight over it? Like have a war on earth because we have a moon base and won't let anyone else be in charge?

The Old Medic

#14

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

The US has the technical capability of doing this, in much less than 8 years. BUT, it would take an enormous amount of effort, and money, to do this.

Keep in mind that the USA went from an inability to put a man in orbit, to having men walk on the moon in less than 9 years. They have the capability, the question is, do they have the will?

If they don't, then some other country (likely China) will. The future of mankind lies in the Stars. More things to benefit man on earth came out of the Moon program, than any other single effort in history. It was not just Tang.

The NWO is a figment of the imagination of the paranoid.

JLM

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Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

May be a good site for high security prisons, probably should be phased in slowly starting with crooked politicians, until all the "wrinkles" are worked out. It would discourage any thoughts of day parole!

SLM

#16

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

IF the US had a manned base on the moon... IF... unless another country was up there with us I doubt anyone would have a say.

Would the world fight over it? Like have a war on earth because we have a moon base and won't let anyone else be in charge?

Nah, just call 'dibs'. That's recognized in international law isn't it?

AyameTaylor

#17

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

I can honestly see people pitching a fit over the Newly established borders because it gives one nation the ability to by pass national security and countermeasures would be taken. I don't know, All i know is why do the Americans (at least their government) feel they are entitled to everything? Seriously Flock off.

dumpthemonarchy

#18

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by The Old Medic

The US has the technical capability of doing this, in much less than 8 years. BUT, it would take an enormous amount of effort, and money, to do this.

Keep in mind that the USA went from an inability to put a man in orbit, to having men walk on the moon in less than 9 years. They have the capability, the question is, do they have the will?

If they don't, then some other country (likely China) will. The future of mankind lies in the Stars. More things to benefit man on earth came out of the Moon program, than any other single effort in history. It was not just Tang.

The NWO is a figment of the imagination of the paranoid.

The goood thing about going to the Moon thse days is that it has water. That means growing food which will save a ton of transport money- it costs $20,000 a pound to ship anything to space. Plus water is needed for fuel to travel to other planets and asteroids. Some parts of the Moon are wetter than the Sahara desert.

Ron in Regina

#19

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

According to an article I have read On the Yahoo News Site, Gingrich Former house speaker plans to have America once again leading the pack in to the ambitious adventure that is space flight. Openly brandishing the "grandiose" Plans that America will have a Manned Permanent colony on the Moon By 2020, and "It Will Be American" Just further stressed the point that....

Huh...does this guy (with a two term max) expect to be sitting in the
big-boy chair still in 2020? I'd be much more interested in what he
promises in the first term assuming he gets elected in November,
before what might happen at the end of a second term when he
hasn't acheived a first term.

#juan

#20

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

Huh...does this guy (with a two term max) expect to be sitting in the
big-boy chair still in 2020? I'd be much more interested in what he
promises in the first term assuming he gets elected in November,
before what might happen at the end of a second term when he
hasn't acheived a first term.

Exactly Ron

The other thing is, are the Americans going to sink a bunch of money into a
very ambitious space program any time soon? I'm guessing we might see
something like that in about forty years if the Americans can get their finances
sorted out here on Earth.

pgs

#21

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

I can honestly see people pitching a fit over the Newly established borders because it gives one nation the ability to by pass national security and countermeasures would be taken. I don't know, All i know is why do the Americans (at least their government) feel they are entitled to everything? Seriously Flock off.

I don't know but it is true that America is intent on controlling the last uninhabitaded place on earth.
After all they are the only nation with bases in antartica,right?

EagleSmack

#22

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

I can honestly see people pitching a fit over the Newly established borders because it gives one nation the ability to by pass national security and countermeasures would be taken. I don't know, All i know is why do the Americans (at least their government) feel they are entitled to everything? Seriously Flock off.

Why don't you go flock off. If we build a moon base ... better yet a colony at some point it will be ours.

If Canada had a moon base and us Yanks decided we wanted to run it you'd probably be the first take a big lunar sh*t!

Quit being so arrogant.

Quote: Originally Posted by AyameTaylor

Openly brandishing the "grandiose" Plans that America will have a Manned Permanent colony on the Moon By 2020, and "It Will Be American" Just further stressed the point that American's Head is too far in the clouds.

And yes, if Americans build a Moon Base it WILL be American. Do you think we'd build it for you?

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs

I don't know but it is true that America is intent on controlling the last uninhabitaded place on earth.
After all they are the only nation with bases in antartica,right?

Yes... we are the only nation with bases in the Antartic... if you don't count the other 29 nations who also have bases there.

Geez.

Cannuck

#23

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 26th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by The Old Medic

It was not just Tang.

It was only half tang. The other half was poon.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

Huh...does this guy (with a two term max) expect to be sitting in the
big-boy chair still in 2020?

Yes he does. If I heard correctly, he also thinks the moon could become a state.

AyameTaylor

#24

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

Why don't you go flock off. If we build a moon base ... better yet a colony at some point it will be ours.

If Canada had a moon base and us Yanks decided we wanted to run it you'd probably be the first take a big lunar sh*t!

Quit being so arrogant.

I am not saying that the colony or base would not be yours, but the problem is that arrogance seems to be something of a trait as people automatically assume the worst out of everyone, As given by this post. The question i was posing was, IF america did build a station on the moon, 'And it will be american' ; I was looking for he justification or rather a reiteration of the sentence given and quoted in the article, Is the man staking claim on the moon as being strictly American?

Why don't you try asking questions some time instead of Flushing out the arrogant Canadian card at every turn?

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack

And yes, if Americans build a Moon Base it WILL be American. Do you think we'd build it for you?

Why now isn't that an arrogant thing to say? It's not a matter of the base being american- Hell It could be built by the polish for all i care; What i care about is the implications that America would be in control of the moon. Especially when one takes the idea that he believes the moon can become a State. Isn't that interesting?

That is what i was referring to. So why don't you take a moment to step away from the Pride and prejudice for a moment, and reflect on the actions of your government over the last few decades and ask your self which is the more arrogant?

Just saying.

taxslave

#25

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

Newt and the rest of the wing nuts will not be happy until the US is in Chapter 11. They of course have their billions stashed elsewhere.

damngrumpy

#26

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

He is trying the new frontier Kennedy theme. It opportunistic for sure, just like America
was during WWI and WWII. See America sold military stuff to anyone until they came
into the war in 1917 while the rest of the world was in it around 1914, In WWII it was the
same thing. America did not enter the war until a couple of years after everyone else was
fighting.
The manned colony how will they manage it? There are hundreds of housing areas in
America that are in a huge mess with repos and people squatting in housing divisions because
people are being evicted from their homes. Maybe they can send the wall street crowd to the
moon and they can't do anymore damage.

petros

#27

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

Quote:

a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Hilarious! If this ends up like the rest of the 'space race' the Russians will have shop set up by 2014

#juan

#28

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

There won't be any Moon colony for forty or fifty years. I'm sure the U.S. don't have a hundred bilion or so lying around
waiting to finance that very ambitious space project. The U.S. has cut defense projects and the Moon colony must
have at least jumped to a back burner where they will stay for the next few decades.

gopher

#29

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 28th, 2012

Gingrich wants to increase the Federal deficit in a crusade that creates few jobs and has no real cost benefit. Of course, thereafter he will blame Democrats for the increased deficit.

Liberalman

#30

Re: a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

Jan 29th, 2012

It's nice to see that politicians from Canada and the United States are getting good solid ideas from CanadianContent posters.

Seems that the armchair critics really have the better idea.

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