The World According to Monsanto

The World According to Monsanto

Mowich

#1Nov 9th, 2011

"There’s nothing they are leaving untouched: the mustard, the okra, the bringe oil, the rice, the cauliflower. Once they have established the norm: that seed can be owned as their property, royalties can be collected. We will depend on them for every seed we grow of every crop we grow. If they control seed, they control food, they know it – it’s strategic. It’s more powerful than bombs. It’s more powerful than guns. This is the best way to control the populations of the world. The story starts in the White House, where Monsanto often got its way by exerting disproportionate influence over policymakers via the “revolving door”. One example is Michael Taylor, who worked for Monsanto as an attorney before being appointed as deputy commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1991. While at the FDA, the authority that deals with all US food approvals, Taylor made crucial decisions that led to the approval of GE foods and crops. Then he returned to Monsanto, becoming the company’s vice president for public policy.

Thanks to these intimate links between Monsanto and government agencies, the US adopted GE foods and crops without proper testing, without consumer labeling and in spite of serious questions hanging over their safety. Not coincidentally, Monsanto supplies 90 percent of the GE seeds used by the US market. Monsanto’s long arm stretched so far that, in the early nineties, the US Food and Drugs Agency even ignored warnings of their own scientists, who were cautioning that GE crops could cause negative health effects. Other tactics the company uses to stifle concerns about their products include misleading advertising, bribery and concealing scientific evidence."

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I have watched many docs on Monsanto but this has to be one of the best researched of them all. The harm they have caused world-wide is breathtaking to behold.

Cliffy

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Monsanto - The cancer of unbridled capitalism. Monsanto is a threat to every living thing on this planet. It represents the epitome of our evolution.

Mowich

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Monsanto - The cancer of unbridled capitalism. Monsanto is a threat to every living thing on this planet. It represents the epitome of our evolution.

The fact that Monsanto is buying up seed companies faster than they can count their billions, scares me Cliffy. No one, especially a company with such a flagrant disregard for human health, should be allowed to 'own' the seeds for food.

What is happening right now in countries such as Mexico, where their native corn has now been contaminated by Monsanto genes, is simply heart-breaking. There is literally no way to eradicate the 'industrial corn' except by hand.

Cannuck

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

We will depend on them for every seed we grow of every crop we grow. If they control seed, they control food, they know it – it’s strategic.

Scaremongering is rather silly.

Mowich

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Scaremongering is rather silly.

You have to be kidding.........or you didn't watch the entire documentary. Scaremongering might just be the only way to get it through people's heads that this company is a real and growing threat to the future of food on the planet.

Cannuck

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

You have to be kidding

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

Scaremongering might just be the only way to get it through people's heads that this company is a real and growing threat to the future of food on the planet.

No it's not. The scaremongers suggest that Monsanto will control the food supply. That is simply nonsense. Governments all over the world are far too intertwined with food production for that to happen.

Mowich

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

No

No it's not. The scaremongers suggest that Monsanto will control the food supply. That is simply nonsense. Governments all over the world are far too intertwined with food production for that to happen.

Cannuck, you really need to do some research about Monsanto.............they already have the US in the palm of their hands thus their ability to get GE seeds on the market without any due diligence. They are ruining the cotton industry in India. They lie, they cheat, they manipulate data to their own ends. Do some research then come back, okay.

Cannuck

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

Cannuck, you really need to do some research about Monsanto.............they already have the US in the palm of their hands thus their ability to get GE seeds on the market without any due diligence. They are ruining the cotton industry in India. They lie, they cheat, they manipulate data to their own ends. Do some research then come back, okay.

Do some research and come back OK.

Mowich

Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Do some research and come back OK.

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"For example, Margaret Miller was a former supervisor for Monsanto and was actively involved in the GBH program. In fact, she was the very person who created the report that was sent to the FDA seeking approval to use GBH in the milk industry. Soon after she finished the report, she left her job at Monsanto and went to work for the FDA as the new Deputy Director of Human Food Safety. Ironically, her first assignment with the FDA was to approve her own report, effectively poisoning our milk supply. Imagine that! As you can see, oversight is virtually non existence, and in my opinion its not to be found what so ever in our current government.

Micheal Taylor was the legal advisor to the FDA who fought for the labeling guidelines that kept the non GBH dairy farmers from labeling their products GBH free. By passing this unconstitutional law, the FDA has effectively stopped consumers from making an educated choice in regards to their food. When it comes to food freedom there is none, the government has chosen to make that choice for us. After shilling for Monsanto, he was given as job as head of the Monsanto division in Washington DC.

Lets look at a few more Monsanto / government connections. Donald Rumsfield our former Secretary of Defense was on the Board of Monsanto’s Searle pharmaceuticals, which is credited with bringing us the toxic sweetener Aspartame. Before being elected to the Supreme Court, Judge Clarence Thomas was a lawyer for the Monsanto corporation and lets not forget Anne Veneman, who became the US Secretary of Agriculture after she left the Board of Monsanto.

When a corporation becomes entangled into our government it can only lead to profit in favor of the corporation and less over sight for the people the government is supposed to protect. The government is supposed to work for our interests and our safety, but as this article has shown, that hasn’t taken place in years. Big corporation are controlling every aspect of our lives and we sure can’t count on the government WE THE PEOPLE created to do its job. Become aware my friends and together we can stop this government of lies and its money hungry partner. corrupt big business."

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Oh, and that wonderful product of Monsanto's - Roundup- here's an eyeopener for you.

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There, that should keep you busy................and better informed, for awhile.

P.S. When you are finished with these articles, you might want to google 'bovine growth hormone'.

Cannuck

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Yawn

CDNBear

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

P.S. When you are finished with these articles, you might want to google 'bovine growth hormone'.

Mowich. He has no interest in discussion or learning.

You can prove him wrong umpteen times a thread, he'll just move the goalposts, build straw men, and/or deny it happened.

Don't waste your time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Yawn

I love it when he proves me right.

SLM

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

Monsanto's Harvest of Fear | Politics | Vanity Fair
Monsanto and its Legacy with the FDA :
"For example, Margaret Miller was a former supervisor for Monsanto and was actively involved in the GBH program. In fact, she was the very person who created the report that was sent to the FDA seeking approval to use GBH in the milk industry. Soon after she finished the report, she left her job at Monsanto and went to work for the FDA as the new Deputy Director of Human Food Safety. Ironically, her first assignment with the FDA was to approve her own report, effectively poisoning our milk supply. Imagine that! As you can see, oversight is virtually non existence, and in my opinion its not to be found what so ever in our current government.
Micheal Taylor was the legal advisor to the FDA who fought for the labeling guidelines that kept the non GBH dairy farmers from labeling their products GBH free. By passing this unconstitutional law, the FDA has effectively stopped consumers from making an educated choice in regards to their food. When it comes to food freedom there is none, the government has chosen to make that choice for us. After shilling for Monsanto, he was given as job as head of the Monsanto division in...
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I've read and heard a few things about Monsanto. Personally, wouldn't trust them any farther than I could throw them. There is some definite shadiness in that company. Definitely a worthwhile topic for conversation.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

Yawn

How arrogantly dismissive.

Tonington

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

P.S. When you are finished with these articles, you might want to google 'bovine growth hormone'.

What in particular would you like someone to learn by googling 'bovine growth hormone'? Bovine somatotropin has no health impacts in humans, and bovine somatotropin is found in all dairy cows. The reason you can't label milk as free of that hormone is because that would simply be untrue.

taxslave

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

If there was ever such a thing as an evil empire Monsanto is it. Although they lack proof several of the Naturopaths my wife works with are convinced that GM foods are responsible for the increase in people with food sensitivities and cancer. I don't really grasp the science part too well but it has to do with genetic imprinting and your body saying I don't recognize this spliced gene so I am going to reject it. Tonington could probably explain the theory much better.

Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

What in particular would you like someone to learn by googling 'bovine growth hormone'? Bovine somatotropin has no health impacts in humans, and bovine somatotropin is found in all dairy cows. The reason you can't label milk as free of that hormone is because that would simply be untrue.

This is why, Ton.

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Tonington

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

If there was ever such a thing as an evil empire Monsanto is it. Although they lack proof several of the Naturopaths my wife works with are convinced that GM foods are responsible for the increase in people with food sensitivities and cancer. I don't really grasp the science part too well but it has to do with genetic imprinting and your body saying I don't recognize this spliced gene so I am going to reject it. Tonington could probably explain the theory much better.

It sounds kind of wonky...technically there's no difference as far as your body is concerned with one gene or another in the food you eat. We ingest foreign genes every time we eat food, and a spliced gene is no different than the regular genes. Spliced is just how it was inserted into the genome...the food we eat is composed of genes that weren't always there. Insertion and deletion mutations create new genes, that produce new phenotypes in our food. Gene splicing is doing the same thing, only in a targeted fashion, and without the hundreds, and thousands, and millions of years of evolution.

The reason the proof isn't there is because it is so wonky, from a biological perspective.

The fears about growth hormones in milk are wonky too. Bovine somatotropin is a hormone, a protein. The protein is broken down in your stomach. If proteins easily survived the trip through the upper digestive tract, diabetics wouldn't be injecting insulin with tuberculin syringes.

Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

If there was ever such a thing as an evil empire Monsanto is it. Although they lack proof several of the Naturopaths my wife works with are convinced that GM foods are responsible for the increase in people with food sensitivities and cancer. I don't really grasp the science part too well but it has to do with genetic imprinting and your body saying I don't recognize this spliced gene so I am going to reject it. Tonington could probably explain the theory much better.

Could not agree with your more, taxslave. I have been reading about this company for a long time now. They first came to my attention over the infamous Agent Orange - then there was the Bopal, India incident.

I firmly believe that all genetically modified foods should be clearly labelled. There is something in the order of 30,000 'modified' foods already on our grocery shelves.

Did you watch the video?

Highball

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Monsanto supplied our Forest Fire Retardant chemicals for 27 years and we were constantly receiving complaints about Retardant related issues with humans like skin rashes, outright breakouts of surface skin sores, being exposed to the fine mist and dye and experiencing difficulty in breathing. We filled out the routine required reports and asked to a review. Every review pane had a Monsanto chemist on it. In all cases they made every attempt to minimize what had happened. Finally, a Federal Judge took the action that need to be taken decades before. He ordered the use of the Retardant terminated immediately. Monsanto is still fighting this order in the higher courts. Their levels of accountibilty are a joke.

Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

It sounds kind of wonky...technically there's no difference as far as your body is concerned with one gene or another in the food you eat. We ingest foreign genes every time we eat food, and a spliced gene is no different than the regular genes. Spliced is just how it was inserted into the genome...the food we eat is composed of genes that weren't always there. Insertion and deletion mutations create new genes, that produce new phenotypes in our food. Gene splicing is doing the same thing, only in a targeted fashion, and without the hundreds, and thousands, and millions of years of evolution.

The reason the proof isn't there is because it is so wonky, from a biological perspective.

The fears about growth hormones in milk are wonky too. Bovine somatotropin is a hormone, a protein. The protein is broken down in your stomach. If proteins easily survived the trip through the upper digestive tract, diabetics wouldn't be injecting insulin with tuberculin syringes.

Okay Ton, but there is what one of the scientists said in the documentary that gave me pause. He said that there was no problem with the gene, it was whatever Monsanto was inserting into the gene that caused the problem. Can't be more specific than that, sorry. Did you watch the video? If you get the chance, you could probably pick up exactly what he was referring to - but he did emphatically state that it was not the gene that was the problem.

Tonington

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

This is why, Ton.

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Canada banned bovine somatotropin because of the health impacts on the animals, and indirect human health concerns, but not because of the health impacts on us of the hormones in the milk we drink. It leads to more mastitis infections in cows, which mean more anti-biotics in your milk. Proteins are broken down in your stomach by protease enzymes into the building blocks of proteins- amino acids. The milk you drink already has hormone in it, whether or not the cows were given exogenous hormones to increase production.

Like I said earlier, if the proteins were surviving past the stomach, then insulin could be ingested instead of injected. If proteins easilly survived past the stomach, there would be many drugs available utilizing this route. As it is, proteins do not, read on oral insulin:
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Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Canada banned bovine somatotropin because of the health impacts on the animals, and indirect human health concerns

Thank you, Ton..........that is the message that I was trying to get across to Cannuck.

Tonington

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

He said that there was no problem with the gene, it was whatever Monsanto was inserting into the gene that caused the problem.

Monsanto inserts genes...the gene is what codes for the phenotype. A phenotype is simply the physical characteristic, like hair colour, size, shape, disease resistance. Genes are made of amino acids...the smallest insertion possible would be a single base pair. Three base pairs make one amino acid. What Monsanto inserts is no different at the base level of genetics than any of your own genes. It's just a different combination of base pairs. The bananas you eat today have different combinations of base pairs than the bananas you grew up eating. Even if they're organic.

The argument that these changes are leading to more cancer and other environmental diseases is lacking evidence, and lacking plausible explanations for how it could produce such changes.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

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Thank you, Ton..........that is the message that I was trying to get across to Cannuck.

The indirect health concerns is the antibiotics, not the hormones...agricultural use of antibiotics is a huge source of antibiotic resistance.

Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

The indirect health concerns is the antibiotics, not the hormones...agricultural use of antibiotics is a huge source of antibiotic resistance.

Okay. So what exactly was it in Posilac that caused cow's udders to infect and fill with pus thus necessitating the use of antibiotics?

petros

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Top of the line landrace cultivars....

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Mowich

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Top of the line landrace cultivars....

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Geez, petros..............don't you know Monsanto is probably monitoring us..........now the secret is out.

When I was young my Dad used to get new types of wheat from the Experimental Farm as we called it. I remember going out there with him many times.

Tonington

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich

Okay. So what exactly was it in Posilac that caused cow's udders to infect and fill with pus thus necessitating the use of antibiotics?

Let me clarify....The hormone isn't causing infection...it's bacteria that cause mastitis, like --. Larger milk yield is the concern. The growth hormone produces larger milk yields, and larger milk yields are associated with mastitis incidence. It's a risk factor.

Here's a special report from the Canadian Veterinary Journal, on exactly what the health impacts and concerns are:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00338-0027.pdf

petros

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

I did two years in Toontown. Great school but the city lacks Feng Shui.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Let me clarify....The hormone isn't causing infection...it's bacteria that cause mastitis, like --. Larger milk yield is the concern. The growth hormone produces larger milk yields, and larger milk yields are associated with mastitis incidence. It's a risk factor.

Here's a special report from the Canadian Veterinary Journal, on exactly what the health impacts and concerns are:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00338-0027.pdf

MRSA kills....

Cannuck

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Re: The World According to Monsanto

Nov 9th, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by SLM

How arrogantly dismissive.

Dismissive yes. Why am I not surprised that you find dismissing "Chicken Littles" arrogant.

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