UEFA warns Croatia's vile fans: Racially abuse England players and we'll kick you out

UEFA warns Croatia's vile fans: Racially abuse England players and we'll kick you out

Blackleaf

#1Oct 10th, 2006

UEFA have told Croatia's racist fans - who made a human swastika during a recent game against Italy - that if they racially abuse England's black players during Wednesday's Euro 2008 qualifier then their team may be kicked out of the tournament.

Nazty

VILE ... Croatia fans make human swastika during a recent game against Italy

By MARK IRWIN
October 10, 2006

CROATIA could be kicked out of Euro 2008 if fans abuse England’s black players tomorrow.

Soccer chiefs fear trouble after 200 of their supporters formed a human swastika at a friendly in Italy.

UEFA’s William Gaillard warned: “We won’t tolerate racism. We have had many problems with this in Eastern Europe before and Croatia have been among the worst offenders.

“But we are determined this will not happen again and will send out a strong message to stop any incidents during the game against England.

“FIFA have recently introduced new rules which can, in extreme cases, lead to a team being docked points or even being excluded from the competition.

“Because of the problems we have encountered with Croatian teams in the past, they have been warned future sanctions will be much heavier than any which have been imposed for previous incidents.”

Croatian supporters have a long history of racism. The nation’s federation were fined after French players were racially abused and white supremacist banners were displayed at Euro 2004.

And UEFA were fuming following the human swastika incident in Livorno, Italy, two months ago.

Action group Let’s Kick Racism out of football will today launch a Kick It Out Week of Action in the community.

thesun.co.uk

MattUK

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Oct 10th, 2006

But once it all kicks off, of course, it will be the fault of the English fans.... it always is.

EastSideScotian

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Oct 10th, 2006

Thats a sloppy looking Swastika, Id think Nazis would be more Offended than blacks...

I dont know why England cant just let it role off their shoulders, I have seen some pretty racist gestures at te Olympics from English fans on the news....Kick the fans out of the game not the team. Its not like the Fans Speak for the teams....Foolishness.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by EastSideScotian

Thats a sloppy looking Swastika, Id think Nazis would be more Offended than blacks...

I dont know why England cant just let it role off their shoulders, I have seen some pretty racist gestures at te Olympics from English fans on the news....Kick the fans out of the game not the team. Its not like the Fans Speak for the teams....Foolishness.

That's such a childish load of BS, my club enjoyed their most succesful period in history in the mid-80's and they were denied the chance to compete at a higher level because of poxy ignorant people at UEFA like yourself.

I've travelled around europe, go to Romania, go to any Eastern European country, like Turkey for example and you'll see a far worse level of hooliganism and racism than was EVER shown in England by so-called fans. Hillsborough was caused by police ignorance, Turin was a 50/50 split between Italian and British fans.

Still don't let the truth get in the way of English football fan-bashing Eastside Scotian.....give a dog a bad name........

MattUK

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Oct 10th, 2006

I dont think English fans cause much trouble - but when confronted, we are happy to turn it into a riot. We defend each other. If a Turkish group pick on a few English fans, then all the English fans bundle in.

Also EastSide, I think we should punish the team. Its the biggest way we can hit their fans. If they cant watch them live, they will watch it on TV and still celebrate when they win, or cause trouble when they lose. Take the game away - neither can happen.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

The problem that annoyes me is that the amount of racial hooliganism that Turkey has already shown, with the murder of a Leeds fan, the racial taunting of players for example is FAR worse than English fans have ever commited.

But they won't ban Turkey for five years now will they?

ignorance, sheer ignorance.

MattUK

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Oct 10th, 2006

Totally agree Daz.

We are not that bad a nation - we are usually scape goats - ever noticed that there is rarely violence at England home games, its only when they play in other countries... surely that tells UEFA something.

DurkaDurka

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Oct 10th, 2006

I think British soccer fans should have breathlyzers before entering soccer match's. Punish the whole lot of you for your rampant hooliganism.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

Now your just saying that to wind us up!!.

I've been to Canadian Lacrosse and Hockey games, been to US NFL, NBA and Baseball games, there's a different attitude to games in north america.......well, for one, we don't just go to games to eat food.

oh and we don't need an electronic scoreboard to direct our singing.

But unless you are not from north America, you'll never understand. Plus what your talking about English football "hooligans" is garbage.

DurkaDurka

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey

oh and we don't need an electronic scoreboard to direct our singing.

I would hope not, the Spice Girls would be very upset Brit's were unable to recite their anthems from heart.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

I would hope not, the Spice Girls would be very upset Brit's were unable to recite their anthems from heart.

The spice girls?, I thought you were gonna use some imagination with your witty comeback. for example Will Champion's (saints fan like me) band's songs...you know, Coldplay? for example.

You mean like "Lets go ranger's"?.

how about this one, it's spice girl relation:

"Posh spice is a slapper, she stinks of smelly cod, and when she's shagging Beckham, she thinks of Oremorod!!!" - class, imagination, creativity.

or..."if I had the wings of a sparrow...if I had the wings of a crow, I'd fly over fratton 2moro, and ****e on the bstrds below!!, below!!"..

And actually, I've quite heartfully sang "Abide with me" at an FA Cup final....your just playing up to stereotypes.

DurkaDurka

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Oct 10th, 2006

Coldplay doesn't strike me as being "sport" music. Their music belongs in a department store or an art gallery.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

Coldplay doesn't strike me as being "sport" music. Their music belongs in a department store or an art gallery.

Beautiful world is a classic amoungst us saints fans actually.

And how about Gerry and the pacemakers's "you'll never walk alone"?, is that not a peice of musical genius that outweighs anything written by the spice girls and Liverpool fans manage it quite well actually.

DurkaDurka

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Oct 10th, 2006

"you'll never walk alone", doesn't ring a bell with me...

So you have seen the Toronto Rock play?

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

I've seen a great many teams play, I missed the Argos when I was in Toronto last, I saw a very breif glimpse of Lacrosse, I caught the NY Rangers take on the New Jersey Devils at the garden, caught the US playing Mexico in Chicago, caught a Bull's game there and watched Baseball in memphis.

I shall certainly watch Toronto FC when I'm up there next

EastSideScotian

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey

That's such a childish load of BS, my club enjoyed their most succesful period in history in the mid-80's and they were denied the chance to compete at a higher level because of poxy ignorant people at UEFA like yourself.

I've travelled around europe, go to Romania, go to any Eastern European country, like Turkey for example and you'll see a far worse level of hooliganism and racism than was EVER shown in England by so-called fans. Hillsborough was caused by police ignorance, Turin was a 50/50 split between Italian and British fans.

Still don't let the truth get in the way of English football fan-bashing Eastside Scotian.....give a dog a bad name........

So english Fans can cause riots, fight other fans, and hold up signs curseing out other team palyers?

Seems like a dubble standard to me.

But if its the british being bashed then its not fair or its intorable.

I agree racism is foolish as hell. But Hooliganism is Hooliginsim.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 10th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by EastSideScotian

So english Fans can cause riots, fight other fans, and hold up signs curseing out other team palyers?

Seems like a dubble standard to me.

But if its the british being bashed then its not fair or its intorable.

I agree racism is foolish as hell. But Hooliganism is Hooliginsim.

Please re-read what you've just wrote.

Hooliginism is indeed hooliginism, but fighting other fans (and this last actually happened at any rate in the early 80's). And as far as I'm aware, there has never been an international hooligan incident involving the welsh, northern irish or scottish, so it's not a "british" problem, just one point of ignorance on your part.

"Dubble standard" nope, not at all, English fans, in most cases fought because they were drunk nd "up for a fight" and often did in the late 70's and early 80's. They were NOT Racially motivated, sure on odd occasions maybe. BUT TURKEY, ISRAEL, ROMANIA, CROATIA, SPAIN (Bananas regularly thrown at black players, international coach calls a black player a "monkey" on TV), FRANCE (racial crowd violence), ITALY(Facist clubs), PORTUGAL(Same as spain), HOLLAND(racial crowd violence), GERMANY(usually violent and often racist gangs fight all the time)...these are all countries with a MUCH higher percentage of a racial and violent hooligan element than there EVER was in England....

But who get's banned?, who get's the world-wide bad name?....ohhhhhhhh

Let me think???????
Do some research and don't mke crude and frankly wrong statements please.

Researcher87

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Oct 11th, 2006

Good. If Croatian fans make a racist insults, suspend the team. By suspending their team it is going to tell the fans that either become 'civilizied' and stop stupid racism crap.

EastSideScotian

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Oct 11th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey

Please re-read what you've just wrote.

Hooliginism is indeed hooliginism, but fighting other fans (and this last actually happened at any rate in the early 80's). And as far as I'm aware, there has never been an international hooligan incident involving the welsh, northern irish or scottish, so it's not a "british" problem, just one point of ignorance on your part.

"Dubble standard" nope, not at all, English fans, in most cases fought because they were drunk nd "up for a fight" and often did in the late 70's and early 80's. They were NOT Racially motivated, sure on odd occasions maybe. BUT TURKEY, ISRAEL, ROMANIA, CROATIA, SPAIN (Bananas regularly thrown at black players, international coach calls a black player a "monkey" on TV), FRANCE (racial crowd violence), ITALY(Facist clubs), PORTUGAL(Same as spain), HOLLAND(racial crowd violence), GERMANY(usually violent and often racist gangs fight all the time)...these are all countries with a MUCH higher percentage of a racial and violent hooligan element than there EVER was in England....

But who get's banned?, who get's the world-wide bad name?....ohhhhhhhh

Let me think???????
Do some research and don't mke crude and frankly wrong statements please.

I guess all in all it takes someone who isnt English to realize how foolish the english act at sports games. Racisim Aside. If we want to talk about intorelabe actions, the English do it all the time....

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

I think you are over-simplifying it.

English football fans are as "yobbish" as any other nation, and for the last 20 years, much less. As I've stated before, it IS a very different world, as a foreigner (or Bilyati as I like to call ya), a north american nontheless, you WILL NOT and CANNOT understand the English, or indeed British public's attitdue to sports events.

It is a particular class of people who are generally "louts", you know, the kind of people that cannot afford healthcare, let alone go to $50 dollar a seat games week in and week out. The british public have had to put up with being caged in electrified pens, systematically choaked to death by incompatant police and money grabbing owners.

England gave the world Soccer, it spread it all over the continents. It's agression can be attributed to many things. BUT, I think your views on English football Hooliganism is VERY out of date, WRONG and general just stupid.

CDNBear

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Oct 11th, 2006

Easy guys. I can see where you are coming from Daz, but to be honest, until you mentioned it, I had the same impression of the typical English soccer fanatic.

I agree, it is much more civilized now, but as we have learnd time and time again, it is usually the worst that lingers longest.

I have seen soccer games live, in Ireland. Not professional matches, but there was enough passion to paint the whole of England. I can't say I heard racial slurs, but I heard enough swearing to last me awhile.

I've heard it when I was young and played Lacrosse, I heard it when I played semi pro Footbal(Grid Iron) for the now defunked Toronto Eagles. Hell my kids have heard it while playing Lacrosse. It is existant. It is not the driving force upon which the hooliganism of the past was born. That was morethe colour of your jersey, then the colour of your skin.

But come on now Daz. As a youth and even as an adult, you would be a rare exception to say that you have never heard a racial slur at a pro soccer match, coming from the English fans.

BTW, I'm not trying to start a fight, I just asking suggestively. lol.

Dear god I'm bored today.....really I am.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

I'd agree, I've heard racial slurs, I've heard monkey noises...heck my own club got into trouble about 5 years ago after Mido (an egyptian soccer player) turned us down and went to the "predominatly" jewish club Tottenham Hotspur. Some, and I mean a VERY small minority decided to sing to him:

"Shoe, shoe, shoe-bomber!!" - which ended up with a fine.

But, as far as foul language. This is actually continously discussed by football fans. Some are of the opinion that Soccer (notice I use the term interchangably, I have come to accdept the word Soccer is born from the phrase association football) fans go to football not for a nice pleasant tate-a-tate but rather a "lad's day out" in which you should expect language.

We have specialised family enclosures because of this, and the universal opinion around here is that if you don't want to hear such language, dont take em in anything but the family enclosure. Also you can generally tell the wealth of a person in the UK if they call it soccer or football...bet you didn't know that!!.

CDNBear

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Oct 11th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey

...bet you didn't know that!!.

No I didn't, I take it the upper crust as it were, use the term "Soccer" and the lower class use the term "Football"?

Before anyone jumps up my ass, I mere used those descriptions to illustrate the diffence, not cast by class.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

Indeed. It is true, Most private schools will overwhelingly teach Rugby football over here and won't generally play what is refered to as "soccer". Certainly in the south of England anyway.Even the "upper classes" will generally try to call it football here, just to hide their private school backgrounds.

My own club had this problem with our chairman, a big city banker who, frankly had never played a game of "soccer" in his life and prefered rugger and duck shooting. Now I'm not sure if it was his suggestions that he could infact manage our club or his general upbringing that turned pretty much the nation against him, nevertheless, his use of the word "soccer" was used as a method of derision against him, his class and the fact he was public-shooled.

nope, you would certainly have a few problems here if you went around calling it "soccer", I know better, I know soccer is a derivative of the word football, most don't. but as I say, the whole game of soccer here is a class thing, which frankly is incredibly complicated and far to in-depth for a comment such as "all english football fans are violent hooligans", which they frankly are not.

Believe it or not, it all boils down to class here.

CDNBear

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Oct 11th, 2006

What exactly is the differences between Public and Private school, in GB? If I remember correctly it is not like our system of Public and Private schools. It's been a while, I could just be getting old.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

A public school is in fact a private one here, and a state school is what you would refer to as a public school. Sounds confusing right?.

I don't think it is that unusual for the upper classes in any nation to predominantly fill private schools and the working classes the state run ones. But the whole "public school for leaders, state school for the plebians" hasn't gone away.

both games were actually invented in private schools, Harrow and Eton actually, but they followed very differing paths, soccer is much older, and if I ever caught the kid that picked that ball up.....opps.

CDNBear

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Oct 11th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey

A public school is in fact a private one here, and a state school is what you would refer to as a public school. Sounds confusing right?.

I don't think it is that unusual for the upper classes in any nation to predominantly fill private schools and the working classes the state run ones. But the whole "public school for leaders, state school for the plebians" hasn't gone away.

both games were actually invented in private schools, Harrow and Eton actually, but they followed very differing paths, soccer is much older, and if I ever caught the kid that picked that ball up.....opps.

Thanx, I take back my assumption that you know nothing, btw.

Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

Thanx, I take back my assumption that you know nothing, btw.

Well, British schooling is something I know a fair bit about. I should, I've just started my PGCE (post grad cert. in education) in ICT. I just find history shockingly relevant to anything today, IT included.

But I still haven't a clue where that village is.

CDNBear

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Oct 11th, 2006

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Daz_Hockey

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Oct 11th, 2006

I'm a bit suprised and shocked, I noticed the village was in Oxfordshire, and recalled making jest of my granmother coming from near Reading in Buckinghamshire, well, I recalled her rebuffing my joke by stating "I'm from oxfordshire actually".

And that got me wondering, I typed in the village name, had a bit of a look at the map and was a bit suprised. My Grandmother comes from a village called Stoke Row. Now as you seem to know a fair bit about the village of your ancestory, you'll probably know it's surrounded by a couple of Stokes, Stoke row being the nearest.

I went there the other week with my father, Grandfather and Grandmother to visit some of her family in the village graveyard, that place is surrounded by wood, it's like the village of the damned!!....so there you go, I'm sure I know someone who would be familiar with that village, having grown up next to it!!.

how shocking!.

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