IIHF Tournament 2011


Mowich
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End of 2nd period, Canada ahead of the Fins 5 - 1. The kids have been playing well for the first two periods - controlling the puck well, not too many giveaways, solid penalty killing, some great steals and 5 beautiful goals. The Fins were laid back in the first, came on stronger in the 2nd but still having a hard time keeping control of the puck or getting shots on goal - Canada has had 26 SOG compare to 15 for the Finish team.

The game is live on TSN from Edmonton, Alberta. FB and Twitter fans are being asked to sign in to TSN to put a flag of their location on a map of Canada - lots of fans around the world are tuning in.

GO, CANADA, GO.

In other hockey news, Canada won the first round of the Spengler Cup in Davos today. 7 to 1 over the Vits.


 
petros
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Latvia and the Swedes starts in 15 mins (or less).
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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I hope they actually take the Gold this year. Its been heartbreak the last couple of years.
 
talloola
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score too lopsided for me, i'm listening while visiting with others, good for canada, finland isn't usually
that far behind.
 
Mowich
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8 to 1 final for our guys - wonderful game and Mark Vinsentin came through as our goalie - was a little worried about him, his play against the Swedes was sloppy - he wasn't challenged often but came through when he had too and with some pretty saves.
Mark Stone of the Brandon Wheat Kings got himself a well-earned hat-trick - all goals coming from the same spot - the kid is hot, he also managed an assist today. Congrats to Jonathan Huberdeau for his first goal since back from injury. Devante Smith-Pelly was taken out of the game with a leg injury after blocking a puck - if out, he will be missed for his solid hits and goal scoring ability.

Great way to open the tournie guys and many congratulations - you really looked and played like a 'team' today.

Yeah, Canada! GO, GO, GO.

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

I hope they actually take the Gold this year. Its been heartbreak the last couple of years.

I hope they have fun, keep playing as a team, stay out of the box as much as they can, skate well and clean and if they win a medal it will be the icing on the cake. Lots of pressure on these young guys and so far they seem to be handling it pretty well. They need to keep their heads up as they have some stiff competition ahead. So far, they have had it pretty easy. They have the talent and all the ability they need so let's hope they can keep on the path and do a great job for Canada.

GO, CANADA, GO!

Our next game is Wednesday - 4:30PST against the Czech Republic.
 
Kreskin
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The Finnish goalie plays like Luongo.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

The Finnish goalie plays like Luongo.

you're a brat lol

last game luongo played a great game, but had to take the shine off of his performance by letting in the
2nd goal because he wasn't paying attention, looked kind of pathetic.
that made a big difference because the game would have been tied, and canucks could have won, although
they didn't deserve the win.

I didn't watch the junior game today, but could here it from the other room.
 
gopher
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Watched the game online on the FirstRow site. Good match!

While Stone got the hat trick, I gave the MVP to Huberdeau = 4 assists, 1 goal. Great puck control and movement.

There was superb passing by 'nucks, great puck control throughout, aggressive forechecks, and great clearing by defenders. I can't remember the last time I saw defenders who could use the wrist shot from the point so well.

My one objection was the decision to use the first line so far into the game. With Canada clearly ahead, why keep them in the game? The coach took a needless risk of injury or disqualification. Use the third and fourth line instead.

Look forward to more of the series ....
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

you're a brat lol

last game luongo played a great game, but had to take the shine off of his performance by letting in the
2nd goal because he wasn't paying attention, looked kind of pathetic.
that made a big difference because the game would have been tied, and canucks could have won, although
they didn't deserve the win.

I didn't watch the junior game today, but could here it from the other room.

ha ha ( hear it,) just saw my grammar error.
 
shadowshiv
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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

Devante Smith-Pelly was taken out of the game with a leg injury after blocking a puck - if out, he will be missed for his solid hits and goal scoring ability.

He's now done for the remainder of the tournament(4-6 weeks, actually). He has a fractured left foot.

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My one objection was the decision to use the first line so far into the game. With Canada clearly ahead, why keep them in the game? The coach took a needless risk of injury or disqualification. Use the third and fourth line instead.

I'm glad that they didn't do that. To me, that would be an insult to the Finnish team, and the goal of the Canadian team is to ice the best possible team with the players that they have.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Watched the game online on the FirstRow site. Good match!

My one objection was the decision to use the first line so far into the game. With Canada clearly ahead, why keep them in the game? The coach took a needless risk of injury or disqualification. Use the third and fourth line instead.

Look forward to more of the series ....

if I remember correctly (or maybe I don't) doesn't the number of total goals scored come into play when
they are making decisions about the standings, and it can change the placings or decide ties. So, they
don't let up in any game.
 
gopher
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total goals scored

Unfortunately goal differential does matter in international sporting events. This is why there are so many needless run ups in these games. Coach could have at least taken out the 1st line with 5 or 7 minutes left. After all, we do want to see some measure of sportsmanship and we certainly do not want to risk fights or bad blood in these matches.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Unfortunately goal differential does matter in international sporting events. This is why there are so many needless run ups in these games. Coach could have at least taken out the 1st line with 5 or 7 minutes left. After all, we do want to see some measure of sportsmanship and we certainly do not want to risk fights or bad blood in these matches.

they don't care about sportsmanship or anything else but 'winning', and if it takes 50 goals to do it,
they will, perhaps they should take that rule out alltogether.
 
gopher
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I was in a chat room today discussing this issue. Another poster agreed that keeping your first line in was risky in that an injury or a fight could take place thereby resulting in a disqualification. In fact, D Nathan Beaulieu was disqualified late in today's match with only 1 minute to go. I wonder, will he be allowed to play in the next match??

Canadians easily defeated Czech Republic today 5-0. The match wasn't close. Therefore, why keep those tops players on the ice? Makes no sense. Don't worry about what the Russians do in their Group. Just worry about what you do in yours.

As for my Yanks, it was a pathetic performance against Finland. Finns easily won 4-1. Even tho we took more shots on goal, they were puny at best. And unlike Canada's defenders, Yanks D cannot take long shots from the point which open up the center area for attacking forwards. Furthermore, you could readily see they do not utilize the same strategic game planning Canadians used before they stepped on the ice.

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I should have added above, Canada has a great power play and pk. Great to see that type of approach to ice hockey. Junior A, especially at the international level is the most entertaining brand of ice hockey, I think.
 
talloola
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

I was in a chat room today discussing this issue. Another poster agreed that keeping your first line in was risky in that an injury or a fight could take place thereby resulting in a disqualification. In fact, D Nathan Beaulieu was disqualified late in today's match with only 1 minute to go. I wonder, will he be allowed to play in the next match??
Canadians easily defeated Czech Republic today 5-0. The match wasn't close. Therefore, why keep those tops players on the ice? Makes no sense. Don't worry about what the Russians do in their Group. Just worry about what you do in yours.
As for my Yanks, it was a pathetic performance against Finland. Finns easily won 4-1. Even tho we took more shots on goal, they were puny at best. And unlike Canada's defenders, Yanks D cannot take long shots from the point which open up the center area for attacking forwards. Furthermore, you could readily see they do not utilize the same strategic game planning Canadians used before they stepped on the ice.
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I should have added above, Canada has a great power play and pk. Great to see that type of approach to ice hockey. Junior A, especially at the international level is the most entertaining brand of ice hockey, I think.

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this is major junior hockey, jr A is one level down
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Canadians easily defeated Czech Republic today 5-0. The match wasn't close. Therefore, why keep those tops players on the ice? Makes no sense. Don't worry about what the Russians do in their Group. Just worry about what you do in yours.

Um....They're Canadians. All our players are top players.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Canada is really bad for not running up the score (or has been in the past). We turn off the jets after getting ahead by 5 or 6. Our competitors keep pouring it on and wind up with a higher blowout. If it comes to tiebreakers, we tend to be disfavoured because of this.

The real issue is the tiebreaking rules. Points differential should not be part of it or changed to perhaps take only games against the top 3 or 4 teams or your biggest win and biggest loss removed from the point count.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

As for my Yanks, it was a pathetic performance against Finland. Finns easily won 4-1. Even tho we took more shots on goal, they were puny at best. And unlike Canada's defenders, Yanks D cannot take long shots from the point which open up the center area for attacking forwards. Furthermore, you could readily see they do not utilize the same strategic game planning Canadians used before they stepped on the ice.

John Gibson helped contribute to the Fin's win by taking a needless penalty leaving his guys short-handed when they desperately needed all five guys on the ice. Bad as the loss was, I am sure the US kids will rebound.

Our Canadians had a great game though they took a few too many penalties for my liking - being good on the kill is not the same as having all your guys on the ice. A bit more discipline is in order.

I am really enjoying watching all the teams play - they are so full of energy. Great tournament so far.

We play Denmark tonight.

GO CANADA, GO!

 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by MowichView Post

John Gibson helped contribute to the Fin's win by taking a needless penalty leaving his guys short-handed when they desperately needed all five guys on the ice. Bad as the loss was, I am sure the US kids will rebound.

Our Canadians had a great game though they took a few too many penalties for my liking - being good on the kill is not the same as having all your guys on the ice. A bit more discipline is in order.

I am really enjoying watching all the teams play - they are so full of energy. Great tournament so far.

We play Denmark tonight.

GO CANADA, GO!

When a team we've beaten, beats a team we have yet to play we tend to be overconfident. Denmark should be a win for Canada
but you never know. If the Canadian team plays their best they will probably win but it may not be the rout everybody is expecting.
We'll see.....
 
talloola
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The only thing about the denmark/canada game that will be interesting for me is 'jensen', who will be playing for the danes. He is canucks first round draft pick and had a very very good training camp, and next year
he could possibly make the team.
Other than that, the game has nothing to offer, and canada will probably win by ten.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

The only thing about the denmark/canada game that will be interesting for me is 'jensen', who will be playing for the danes. He is canucks first round draft pick and had a very very good training camp, and next year
he could possibly make the team.
Other than that, the game has nothing to offer, and canada will probably win by ten.

Well you were only out by 2 talloola - good prediction. The Danes didn't really give us much of a game at all and our kids got lazy and stupid. I don't know what Don Hays is going to do about all the penalties but he sure has to do something and fast. We take waaaay too many needless penalties and that is going to come back and bite us against more disciplined teams of similar skill sets.

Meanwhile, Mark Stone continues to impress his goal scoring ability upon us. I sure hope his hand is okay. I thought Mark Vinsentin did a fair job in goal but I want to see Wedgewood in goal against the US. I like his style in the net much more than Mark's - he looks steady and ready - and he can make the big saves.

MORE DISCIPLINE GUYS. GO, CANADA, GO!


 
gopher
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major junior

Stand corrected.

I watched part of the Spengler Cup with Wolfsburg edging out Canada's team. The game and tourny just doesn't match IIHF for fun and excitement.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

When a team we've beaten, beats a team we have yet to play we tend to be overconfident. Denmark should be a win for Canada
but you never know. If the Canadian team plays their best they will probably win but it may not be the rout everybody is expecting.
We'll see.....

Well it may not have been a rout but according to the G&M it was a romp. The kids won the game by an eight point differential. These last two games were way too easy for our guys - they really need to play tougher teams to stay sharp and keep their focus. They learn little from beating a team that they can literally skate circles around or score a short-handed goal against.

When you have eight different players scoring goals and multiplies at that - Stone/2G-assist; Scott Harrington/1G - 3 assists;Brandon Gormely 2Gs; (the latter two play defence); Quinton Howden, Ryan Strome and Freddie Hamilton, Brendan Gallagher and Brett Connolly had a goal apiece - you know the other team is way outplayed, it isn't all the goalie's fault.

Watching Russia vs Latvia right now, the Russians are up 9 to 0 early in the 3rd.

Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Stand corrected.

I watched part of the Spengler Cup with Wolfsburg edging out Canada's team. The game and tourny just doesn't match IIHF for fun and excitement.

Yeah, I watched the game today too, gopher - too bad it had to go to a shoot-out but they played well. I agree that the level of intensity you see at the World Juniors is not matched by players in the Spengler Cup. I like it when they show old clips of the guys back in their hay days when they played at the same level.
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gopher
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Pro hockey, like pro basketball is just not for me. Amateur hockey at Juniors and NCAA levels are the most fun. Earlier tonight I also watched Florida-Rutgers in Division I b-ball. The game was won in double OT and it was fun - in fact, about as good as it gets.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Pro hockey, like pro basketball is just not for me. Amateur hockey at Juniors and NCAA levels are the most fun. Earlier tonight I also watched Florida-Rutgers in Division I b-ball. The game was won in double OT and it was fun - in fact, about as good as it gets.

Oh I still like pro hockey - after all that is where most of our juniors end up after the Worlds - many of the players are being scouted right now.

But I do agree that watching the World Juniors is special and they do add an extra level of intensity to the game. The rules regarding penalties in the World Juniors help, for the most part, to keep the game cleaner and quicker and we get treated to 60 minutes of really good hockey instead of glove-dropping and fisticuffs.

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Whoa! With just over seven minutes left in the game, the Russians are going on PP after racking up a total of 12 points against the Latvians who have yet to score a single goal - my heart goes out to their goalie, tough night for him.

Oops! Make that 13 to nothing. Now this, this is a total rout. The game commentators are saying the Lat's should pull their goalie and put the back-up in - not a bad idea as the Russians just scored yet another goal, make that 14 to zip. One Russian player has 9 points on the night for pete's sake.
 
talloola
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this is a goofy tournament till teams start playing teams at their own level. junior hockey is fine as
long as one watches it and accepts it for what it is. lots of mistakes, lots of energy, and I guess the
mistakes create excitement for fans.

yes, mowich, all the juniors of the past that we all watched in these tournaments are now in the NHL,
well, not all, but many. That is their desire, and that is where the best hockey is played, not the
same as each other at all, but it isn't suppose to be, these are kids, those are men, with a few very
talented kids strewn around here and there.

hockey is entertaining at any level, have you ever watched the developmental teams ? 4,5 and 6 year olds, it rocks.
and shows how much fun the game is to play, and how addictive it is.

the speed and desire and the size of the NHL players 'now' is amazing, and no other teams in the world
could ever keep up with that pace.
 
talloola
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well, so much for all of the media who were blatting on and on about the strong u.s. squad, and talked
about nothing else but the big new years eve match against the canadians.

Now this game tonight means nothing for the u.s. team.

that czech goalie who stood on his head thru many shorthanded situations last night belongs to detroit,
so we'll see him in the near future I would think, in the NHL.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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well, so much for all of the media who were blatting on and on about the strong u.s. squad, and talked
about nothing else but the big new years eve match against the canadians.

Now this game tonight means nothing for the u.s. team.

that czech goalie who stood on his head thru many shorthanded situations last night belongs to detroit,
so we'll see him in the near future I would think, in the NHL.

A surprising development for sure. Canada should not get too cocky. The Russians and Sweeds look pretty good too.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by talloolaView Post

well, so much for all of the media who were blatting on and on about the strong u.s. squad, and talked
about nothing else but the big new years eve match against the canadians.

Now this game tonight means nothing for the u.s. team.

They never really got it together as a team, from what I saw talloola and their goalie's weren't up to much. I sure hope Don Hay got the message across about penalties because the US team has nothing to lose and if we don't play disciplined hockey against them, they could very well come up with a win. I know that means nothing to our team as we already have a berth, but still, they have to play cleaner hockey.

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that czech goalie who stood on his head thru many shorthanded situations last night belongs to detroit, so we'll see him in the near future I would think, in the NHL.


He was outstanding last night, talloola.............could do no wrong........loved watching the team celebrate their victory.........long time coming.
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However, Mzarek - the Czech goalie, is having a bit tougher time of it
against the Fins this afternoon ..........he gave up two goals in the 1rst period but is hanging in there about 7 minutes into the 2nd. The Czechs have yet to get on the scoreboard. Mind you, his team is not helping him out by taking so many penalties as they did in previous games. The young Fin goalie is standing tall so far with some really good saves.

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A surprising development for sure. Canada should not get too cocky. The Russians and Sweeds look pretty good too.


So do the Czechs and the Fins, I'd Rather................though the Czechs take even more penalties than our kids do but they were able to back that up with really solid goals - lots of solid goals.
 
talloola
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They never really got it together as a team, from what I saw talloola and their goalie's weren't up to much. I sure hope Don Hay got the message across about penalties because the US team has nothing to lose and if we don't play disciplined hockey against them, they could very well come up with a win. I know that means nothing to our team as we already have a berth, but still, they have to play cleaner hockey.
He was outstanding last night, talloola.............could do no wrong........loved watching the team celebrate their victory.........long time coming.
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However, Mzarek - the Czech goalie, is having a bit tougher time of it against the Fins this afternoon ..........he gave up two goals in the 1rst period but is hanging in there about 7 minutes into the 2nd. The Czechs have yet to get on the scoreboard. Mind you, his team is not helping him out by taking so many penalties as they did in previous games. The young Fin goalie is standing tall so far...

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don hay was very irritated last game because of those penalties, and i'm sure those kids heard it 'big time'from him after the game, should make a difference in their dicipline from here on in, and if it
doesn't, then they will throw away the tournament, and not give themselves a chance at all.
 

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