Some spiritual observations

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The genie that I saw

Once I said here that I saw a genie (alien whose body is created out of gases, while his soul, like our souls, is created out of the ether); that was in the city of Heet in the west part of Iraq.

I was alone in that room and I awoke to find a strange man standing in front of me looking aside not directly towards me. He stood at the foot of the bed where I was lying.
That man had a dusky or brownish to reddish face, he had a serious expression: not smiling, with broad chest.

I thought I was dreaming maybe, so I closed my eyes then opened them mildly to find him still there in his place, with that side look.

I was realy afraid and started to pray God within myself and to read some ayat of the Quran for protection against the evil of men and genies and devils.

See my thread -- about such ayat:
soora 113 and soora 114 (post #18 in that thread)
in addition to the aya 2: 255 (post #9 in that thread).

Then I slept, pretending not seeing him.

Later on I asked the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; he said: had that strange man feet or hoofs? I said: I could not see that becasue he stood at the foot of the bed: only his upper part of the body appeared.

And I asked him: Was that genie good or evil? He said: I don't know.

I repeat this now; because someone else confirmed my story: as I shall tell you.

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Two days ago I met a doctor who worked after me in that same city and resided in the same house or the neighboring one; and we talked about some strange spiritual observations particularly in that city; he confirmed my words.

He said: that his child later on told him: that he saw many strange men coming upstairs or downstairs: one of them with twigs, other with long chin and mouth!
His father said: Why didn't you tell us at that time?
The son said: I thought that you knew these men!

Then I told him about the genie whom I saw; he said that he saw the same one who was looking direct to him with his frowning and serious look.

Then that doctor went to a sheikh in the city who wrote for him some ayat of the Quran and he said he did not then see anymore such genies.

The sheikh also told him those genies were Jews.

However, genies have many sects: some of them are Jews, others are Christians and still others are Muslims and they divide also into many sects like Catholics, Protestants, Shiites, Sunnie and all other sects of people everywhere.

Some genies were Jews from the time of Solomon, and some of them followed Prophet Mohammed and became Muslims. As in the soora 72

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Another doctor who worked with me in that city at the same time, then he became an ophthalmologist; he told me when we were in that city that he once came to the room to sleep and found some young man sleeping in the bed and that young man arose from the bed and went outside the room without looking or speaking anything, then no door was opened or closed. In addition he did not know or see that young man before or after that.

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I spoke with a man now working with me in the same medical unit; he is a general practioner.
This doctor told me that whenever they eat dinner they read the opening soora of the Quran
that is written in the post #21 of the thread The sea and the pearls:
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and they dedicate the reward of reading this soora to their dead parents and relatives.

So his son told him: My grandmother (the mother of this doctor who died some years ago) came and sat near me and said to me: How are you, Montadhar? then she returned to her place there and pointed to the upper room in their house.
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I'll huff.... And I'll puff.... Oops! Sorry.... Wrong story

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Eanassir! Please read this ENTIRE article. I did and would like you to do the same. Please tell what you think about the Gospel, AFTER YOU READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE. Thank you and may God bless you.

The Gospel for Muslims

Dear Muslim,

Assalamu alaikum

The Gospel of Jesus is Good News. That is what "gospel" means in Greek, the original language of the New Testament. It is the good news because Jesus has fulfilled the requirements of keeping the Law so that through Jesus, we can receive the complete forgiveness of our sins. By Jesus keeping the Law of God the Father perfectly, and by him dying and rising from the dead as proof that his good life was acceptable to God, Jesus has made it possible for people to receive the free and complete gift of salvation by faith.

Our father Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness (--). It was his faith in God that made Abraham righteous before God, not keeping the law, not keeping the commandments. He couldn't do it perfectly.

The Law of God is perfect because God is perfect. The Law is a reflection of the character of God. It is wrong to lie because lying is against God's character. It is wrong to steal because stealing is against God's character. That is why the Law tells us what is wrong. The Law is a based on God's holy character. This is why God's law is not arbitrary. It is there for a reason. Though the Law is good and perfect, no man can keep it perfectly.

Jesus taught us that to even look on a woman with lust in your heart is to commit adultery with her (--). You see, the Law of God is not simply to govern actions. It is for our hearts and attitudes. Purity of heart is what God wants from us, purity of heart down to the deepest part of our being. Why? Because God's heart is the Purest and Most Holy of all. And since the Law was spoken by Him and came from Him, the Law is Perfect and Holy. That is the level of perfection you must have when trying to keep the Law. You must be perfect and without sin in order to stand before an infinite and holy God.

However, we are not able to keep the Law. We sin. We fail. The Law says do not lie, but shows us where we lie -- in our very hearts. It says do not commit adultery, but shows us where we commit adultery -- in our hearts. The Law of God is perfect. We are not. God is perfect and Holy. We are not. We are not able to keep the Law of God because we are finite, limited, and affected by sin. So we have to ask how can anyone ever hope to please God through keeping the Law? How can anyone ever hope to please God and attain heaven by doing good deeds? It is not ourselves that we must please, but a Holy and Pure God.

The Good News


The Good News is that you do not have to try and keep the Law of God in order to please Him and go to heaven. You do not have to try and raise yourself to the level of God's Perfection by trying to keep His Holy and Perfect Law. You cannot do that. If you thought you could, then your heart is full of pride and sin since you would be thinking you are as perfect and good as God's holy character. You cannot keep God's law perfectly. This is impossible, but what is impossible with us, is possible with Jesus. He kept all the Law perfectly and never sinned (--).

Jesus said that "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend," (--). Jesus laid his life down for his friends. Jesus performed the greatest act of love. He died for our sins. He paid the penalty of breaking the Law, which is death. Remember, sin brings damnation. But, Jesus took our sins and took death upon himself. In other words, he took our place and in doing this, he also bore our sins in his body on the cross as it says in --. This great act of love is unsurpassed in all the world. It is unsurpassed in Islam because in the Koran, the greatest act of love, dying for another, is not performed by God. But in the Bible, it is. Jesus is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity, who became one of us, suffered at the hands of sinful men, died on the cross and rose from the dead. Therefore, the promise of God is that all who trust in Jesus will, like Abraham, be made righteous before God by faith (--).

In the Quran it says in Surah 23:101-103, "Then when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no more relationships between them that Day, nor will one ask after another! 102Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy, they will attain salvation: 103 But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls, in Hell will they abide."

Are you tired of trying to keep all the Laws in Islam as you strive to do more good deeds than bad deeds in the hope that on the Day of Judgment your good deeds will outweigh your bad? You see, because you earn in large part your salvation by your works, you cannot know whether or not you will be saved. If you are tired of trying to be perfect, of trying to obtain Paradise through your efforts, and you realize that you are not good enough, then you need Jesus. Jesus said, "If any of you are heavy laden, come to me, and I will give you rest," (--).

Jesus forgave sins in -- and --. He walked on water (--). He rose from the dead (--). Have you done more than Jesus in keeping the Law or performing miracles? Has even the Prophet Muhammad done more than Jesus? No he has not.

The Good News is that you, like Abraham, can be made righteous by faith. Do you want the righteousness that is by faith? Or, do you want to earn Paradise through your deeds? Can you earn it? Have you done it so far? Have you been doing enough good to be saved?

Jesus said:
  • that He gives eternal life, (--).
  • that He received all authority in heaven and earth, (--).
  • that He is the Way the Truth and The Life, (--).
  • that He will resurrect people on the Last Day, (--, --, --).
  • that the Holy Spirit bears witness of Him, (--).
Do you want to try and please God through keeping the Law of Allah or by the grace of Christ? Again, Jesus said that the greatest act of love is to die for another. Is it the greatest act of love to ask you to earn heaven through good deeds that perhaps, if Allah wills, you might be saved? In which is the greatest act of love shown to us?

If you want the eternal life that Jesus can give you, then trust what He did on the cross and do not rely on your own works to please God. Trust Jesus by faith. It is not Muhammad who forgives sins. Jesus does that (--; --). It is not Muhammad who died and rose from the dead. Jesus did that. It was not Muhammad who said "Come to me and I will give you rest." Jesus said that. And, Jesus also said, "Believe in God. Believe also in me," (--).

Like Abraham, be righteous in God's eyes . . . by faith.
 
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You're about as likely to convince him as he is to convince you. Not gonna happen.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

The Law of God is perfect because God is perfect. The Law is a reflection of the character of God. It is wrong to lie because lying is against God's character. It is wrong to steal because stealing is against God's character. That is why the Law tells us what is wrong. The Law is a based on God's holy character. This is why God's law is not arbitrary. It is there for a reason. Though the Law is good and perfect, no man can keep it perfectly.

Is it wrong to not honour your mother and father because not honouring His mother and father is against God's character?
 
eanassir
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I may not be drawn away from the topic.
Such real spiritual observations have been seen by most of people, but many deny and others try to forget about and ignore them, and still others are unaware about such observations.

Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

Eanassir! Please read this ENTIRE article. I did and would like you to do the same. Please tell what you think about the Gospel, AFTER YOU READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE. Thank you and may God bless you.

The Gospel for Muslims

Dear Muslim,

Assalamu alaikum



.... Like Abraham, be righteous in God's eyes . . . by faith.

I believe in God alone: God Almighty and Most Gracious : God without associate, equal, peer. without son, daughter or parents ... God is the Eternal and Everlasting.

I believe in all His apostles to people ... such apostles are God's servants who conveyed His words and commands to their nations to worship Him alone and none besides Him. As in the Gospel according to Mark 12:32
There is One God and there is no other besides Him.”
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Such God's servants include Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and all the other prophets and apostles.

Moreover, I believe in the Torah or the Law revealed to Moses, and I believe in the Gospel revealed to Jesus; but I believe in these Law and Gospel as they were revealed in their original words and their original languages; but alas the Torah (or the Law) and the Gospel have been distorted ... their original words have been altered and the instructions have been distorted and the original religion of God: to serve Him alone has been changed into idolatry, enthusiasm about Jesus and the religious leaders and their graves and shrines.

Therefore, you cannot depend on the present Torah (or the Law) neither on the present Gospels. And in fact the distorted Torah ( the Law) and the altered Gospel have been replaced by the Glorious Quran which God promised to preserve pure and intact and the instructions included in the Quran are to be obeyed and followed.

Therefore, alleywaizalways, you will lose if you don't believe in God alone without son or parents, and if you don't believe in the Quran and in Prophet Mohammed the preacher to God, and in the religion of the Islam, and be sure that Jesus will disown you if you don't convert and become a Muslim submitting and devoting to God alone as were Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed and all God's apostles..
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And in recent decades more accurate information has come to light through divine inspiration from many different sources that make the Torah, Bible and Quran obsolete. It was prophesied that in the end times all would be revealed. We are in the end times. Time to join the 21st century and stop living in the past. The future is forward not backward.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

Purity of heart is what God wants from us....

My god doesn't want anything from me because he wants for nothing.
 
Johnnny
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The genie sounds like a magical being, would you consider him a deity eanassir?
 
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You're about as likely to convince him as he is to convince you. Not gonna happen.

When you have the perspective that Islam and Christianity are equally false, then that's what it appears to be on the surface. In reality the gospel is far superior to Islam. It's philosophically sound, logical, and it's actual history. We're not talking about genies and aliens here, we're talking Jesus who undeniably walked and talked on this earth.

Eanassir isn't going to convert tonight, but when he actually learns about the good news that the gospel is, it will start to speak to him. Notice how much easier it would be for him; because, right now he has zero assurance about his salvation. He has to wait to see if his "good deeds" outweighs his "bad deeds". Remember how I was telling you about how religions like Islam claim a path to heaven? Remember how we discussed IF God existed, and was well-meaning as the gospel claims, he would make access and eternity EASIER than a path to him? If God is really well meaning towards fallible humans he would make a DOOR to him, not a PATH. That's why Jesus said "I'm the door." (John 10:9)

That's why the good news of the gospel is far superior to Islam. And that's why Christianity is spreading like wild fire in Africa and Asia right now.
 
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Oh and they say Jesus was celibate, huh? Going around telling people he's a door? He just wants people to turn his knob.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

Eanassir isn't going to convert tonight, but when he actually learns about the good news that the gospel is, it will start to speak to him.

No it won't, he's not going to convert at all, not ever. He's fully committed to a different version of reality than yours, and just as you do of his, he believes your version is fatally flawed, you will not change his mind. And in my carefully considered and not very humble opinion, you're both demonstrably wrong.
 
Omicron
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayzView Post

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In reality the gospel is far superior to Islam. It's philosophically sound, logical, and it's actual history. We're not talking about genies and aliens here [...]

You betcha. Who needs Genies and Aliens when you've got:

Seraphim; beings with six wings: two over the head, two stretching out to the sides, and two covering the hands:



Or Cerubim; multi-winged beings with four faces: the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle.





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And that's why Christianity is spreading like wild fire in Africa and Asia right now.

Who told you that?

In fact, the fastest growing religion in world today is Islam.
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Christians like to believe their own propaganda as much as Muslims do. Neither are based in logic or truth, just emotional appeal. There is no proof that Jesus Christ was a real person, none, nada. All you have is a bunch of people who say he did. Why anybody would believe some violent bandit sitting in a cave freaking out on moldy rye was divinely inspired is also beyond me, but there ya go. People keep buying into this nonsense and are willing to kill each other over who is more right. Personally, I would have to be completely off my rocker to fall for either.
 
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Electricity is god in every cell of the body. It is omnipotent. There's no where to hide and there's no way to deny. If god is all knowing message then plasma is omnipotent medium. sort of

Quote: Originally Posted by OmicronView Post

You betcha. Who needs Genies and Aliens when you've got:

Seraphim; beings with six wings: two over the head, two stretching out to the sides, and two covering the hands:



Or Cerubim; multi-winged beings with four faces: the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle.








Who told you that?

In fact, the fastest growing religion in world today is Islam.

The hand passing out of the cloud with the operating manual is my favourite. LOL
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Christians like to believe their own propaganda as much as Muslims do. Neither are based in logic or truth, just emotional appeal. There is no proof that Jesus Christ was a real person, none, nada. All you have is a bunch of people who say he did.

Well, actually... there's a branch of information analysis where you can cross-correlate statements from different sources and work out the statistical probably whether something being rumored is true, and it turns out that if you include the Gnostic Gospels (Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Philip, etc.) plus vicarious records kept by the Romans, there's three things you can bet on:

1) There was a character named Jesus.

2) He invented/taught a few guys a ceremony we call the last supper, which morphed into what catholics call mass.

3) He was crucified and stuck in a tomb.

4) He probably would have been forgotten like any of the hundreds of other prophetic-rabbi types meandering around the country side making big statements at the time, except... a few days later his tomb was found opened and empty. That was the ticket to grabbing everyone's attention.

Everything else is he-said/she-said gossip, uncorrelatable to any statistically significant degree...

... Which means, if you want to get into believing any of the things Jesus is reported to have said or done, your options are to take the details on faith, or not.

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Why anybody would believe some violent bandit sitting in a cave freaking out on moldy rye was divinely inspired is also beyond me, but there ya go. People keep buying into this nonsense and are willing to kill each other over who is more right. Personally, I would have to be completely off my rocker to fall for either.

It tends to correlate to poverty and lack of education; in particular illiteracy.

Even today you can meander into the boroughs of LA, whacked on acid, jump on a box and start gibbering, and find someone to believe you've been touched and must be a prophet.
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Christians like to believe their own propaganda as much as Muslims do. Neither are based in logic or truth, just emotional appeal. There is no proof that Jesus Christ was a real person, none, nada. All you have is a bunch of people who say he did. Why anybody would believe some violent bandit sitting in a cave freaking out on moldy rye was divinely inspired is also beyond me, but there ya go. People keep buying into this nonsense and are willing to kill each other over who is more right. Personally, I would have to be completely off my rocker to fall for either.

Emotional appeal is paramount, I don't think any kind of logic can overrule that primal necessity. How could an infinitely wise god possibly explain the complexities of the universe to an individual manifestation of itself without the non verbal and logic defying power of pure emotion? Jewish Christian Hindu Muslim Rastafarian, organized religion is like holly wood for those who's emotions cannot connect with the god they're physically swimming in every waking hour. Religion is a crude tool like a wedge or a lever. Following your heart is certainly good and very old advice. It certainly is true that it's not weather you win or lose it's how you play the game.just wondering
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Emotional appeal is paramount, I don't think any kind of logic can overrule that primal necessity. How could an infinitely wise god possibly explain the complexities of the universe to an individual manifestation of itself without the non verbal and logic defying power of pure emotion? Jewish Christian Hindu Muslim Rastafarian, organized religion is like holly wood for those who's emotions cannot connect with the god they're physically swimming in every waking hour. Religion is a crude tool like a wedge or a lever. Following your heart is certainly good and very old advice. It certainly is true that it's not weather you win or lose it's how you play the game.just wondering

The creative energy that permeates and infuses the universe and all in it, that source of all life and consciousness some call god and that you call electricity, many have called it light. Energy can take many forms, but at its primal simplicity is still just energy.
 
eanassir
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These spiritual observations disprove the opinion of the atheist in fact about the afterlife and the spirit world. Such observations have been seen by a large number of people including the atheists themselves, and their trying to ascribe such observations to illusions is not realistic, but they escape from admitting the truth about such observations because that will demolish all their atheistic and materialistic claims.

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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

The creative energy that permeates and infuses the universe and all in it, that source of all life and consciousness some call god and that you call electricity, many have called it light. Energy can take many forms, but at its primal simplicity is still just energy.

The universal conscience (mind) is energy. Mind (energy) over matter (materialized energy). The universe is coherent otherwise it would fall apart in an instant.

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

These spiritual observations disprove the opinion of the atheist in fact about the afterlife and the spirit world. Such observations have been seen by a large number of people including the atheists themselves, and their trying to ascribe such observations to illusions is not realistic, but they escape from admitting the truth about such observations because that will demolish all their atheistic and materialistic claims.

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In my opinion that's it in a tight little knot EA. The inescapable truth. Us humans like to put clothes on God too much I think but the invisable does need a sheet thrown over it to take shape maybe and help us to see the substance maybe. I used to believe I was an atheist then I started to think. God was shocking.
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Quote: Originally Posted by eanassirView Post

These spiritual observations disprove the opinion of the atheist in fact about the afterlife and the spirit world. Such observations have been seen by a large number of people including the atheists themselves, and their trying to ascribe such observations to illusions is not realistic, but they escape from admitting the truth about such observations because that will demolish all their atheistic and materialistic claims.

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Eanassir: I think you are wasting precious time trying to convert people here..Like I told a Jehova Witness once.....People will believe when they want to.
Sa for atheists...while they say that their's is not a religion, as you can see here, they feel they must proclaim their disbelief to the four corners of the earth ..... note: (figure of speech because this is a forum and people like to nit pick)
 
eanassir
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The trip of Abbas Al-Abdali in the world of souls

A man named Abbas Al-Abdali, who was dwelling at Asshar quarter in Basra in the southern part of Iraq, once became ill and was about to die; he fainted, and his ethereal soul got out of his body, at night time; his soul made a tour, then returned back to his body.

Afterwards, he restored his health, and arranged a poem in Arabic, in which he told his story and his incidence. That was in the year 1325 A.H. [or 1907 AD. The poem is written in the Arabic edition of the book, and is composed of 42 poetic verses.]

In this poem he simulated the departure of his soul out of his body like a sword being drawn out of its sheath.
He saw some of his living friends sitting at the coffee shop; he saw some women washing their dishes at the river side (at that time there was no water pipes conveying the water to houses as is the case nowadays.] He also saw a man in a boat floating on the river water ...etc.
Then he regained his consciousness and went to verify his observations to find all that true as had he seen in his spiritual trip.

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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Eanassir: I think you are wasting precious time trying to convert people here..Like I told a Jehova Witness once.....People will believe when they want to.
Sa for atheists...while they say that their's is not a religion, as you can see here, they feel they must proclaim their disbelief to the four corners of the earth ..... note: (figure of speech because this is a forum and people like to nit pick)


I am not trying to convert anyone here; I know they are God's enemy. My purpose is only to convey such information to anyone that may read, and they will have their reward with their Lord.
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Poetry found on the grave of Omar Sahrawardy

He said he is not dead; but rather he was sleeping then he awoke.
He simulated the departure of his soul from his body like a sparrow leaving his cage and becoming free.

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You know, last night I had a dream... I mean vision, that I was at the Forbidden City in Beijing and the Pope drove by in his Pope-mobile. Sure, atheists can deny it, but I know what I saw. It was a revelation from God that Maoist Catholicism is the one true faith.. or to use more MSG on my eggs benedict. I tried the latter and it was delicious. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
 
eanassir
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A nice tale of Abu Abd-Allah

I asked him: "Did you ever see any of the genie?"

He said: When I was child,,we resided at Kerbala city,and I could speak Persian.
Once, I together with my cousin Abbas saw a black woman sitting at the street side; she held something like a baby in her lap, and she looked to us with rolling and gazing eyes.
We came near to her, and she farted: (passed wind with sound), and we - children - said to her laughing: "You have farted!" We said that in Persian and we laughed.
Then we saw her having hoofs instead of feet; we cried:"She is a genie!" And we ran away.
So she rained on us a shower of stones; then he said: "From where did she bring all those stones; I don't know!"

Second: He said: When I was at Mosul city, I once walked by the river bank at night, and I saw a sheikh walking there and there was a lantern floating over the ground as if someone carried it in front of the sheikh, but I could not see anyone to hold that lantern.

I asked about that sheikh, and they answered me: "He subjects the genie"
It means: there was an invisible genie carrying that lantern before the sheikh to lighten the way before him.
 
darkbeaver
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You are a mystic EA.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Sa for atheists...while they say that their's is not a religion, as you can see here, they feel they must proclaim their disbelief to the four corners of the earth .....

Why do I get the feeling you'd like to suppress expressions of disbelief? Most of the disbelief expressed here is in response to people flogging a particular religious viewpoint, if they didn't bring it up challenges to it wouldn't come up much either. People who don't want their claims challenged shouldn't talk about them in public.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter SinisterView Post

Why do I get the feeling you'd like to suppress expressions of disbelief? Most of the disbelief expressed here is in response to people flogging a particular religious viewpoint, if they didn't bring it up challenges to it wouldn't come up much either. People who don't want their claims challenged shouldn't talk about them in public.

Dexter: While I will bow to your knowledge of scientific stuff...but.....I find this thread of Eanassir to be different from other discussions in a forum....It is more like a blog than an open discussion.
If he were to post in another thread to preach...then I say, it is open season. Like in the thread where he said that the earthquake in Japan was God's wrath.....
just like if someone comes to my door to try and sell me something, I can do whatever I want...but I will not go to their church and hassle them and will not go out of my way to hassle them although I will admit to having done so some years ago..
Now i will play back your first sentence back to you with just a few words changed....
Why do I get the feeling that some would like to suppress any expressions of religious belief?.
What I flog in different religions is not the religious beleifs but the barbaric actions by the followers of different religions eg. the burning of witches by the Cristians of old or the stonings by certain Islamic sects
Whether people believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny or practice witchcraft I will not bemean them for doing so...Just their resulting actions..
So It is surprising to me that people who believe in pure science would seeminly go out of their way to attack religion...any religion and look down their nose at the followers.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Eanassir: I think you are wasting precious time trying to convert people here..Like I told a Jehova Witness once.....People will believe when they want to.
Sa for atheists...while they say that their's is not a religion, as you can see here, they feel they must proclaim their disbelief to the four corners of the earth ..... note: (figure of speech because this is a forum and people like to nit pick)

You must be psychic or something because I went back a ways and found only one who claims to be an atheist and the possibility of an agnostic or two. Someone who claims to have no religion is not an atheist unless they deny the existence of a god. Look at it this way, some people are political without adhering to one particular political dogma, a concept that those on the left or right have difficulty understanding. It is the same difficulty the religious have with those who do not subscribe to a particular religious dogma. they are just like George Bush: a "You are with us or you are against us" kind of black and white mentality that leaves no room for thought or discernment.
 

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