I remember back in the day seeing some stuff on the news were statues of genesha were drinking milk all over the world... Was this an authentic miracle or just a example of mass hysteria?
Was the genesha milk miracle for real?
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I have a statue of James Brown that drinks rootbeer.
I never pictured Ganesh Babu as a milk drinker.
Kava junkie yes, milk drinker no.
I never pictured Ganesh Babu as a milk drinker.
Kava junkie yes, milk drinker no.
It's in the same class with statues that weep and bleed: fraud, either deliberate or due to ignorance. There has never been a properly attested authentic miracle, and I confidently predict there will never be one. David Hume figured it all out centuries ago.
This is an illusion: a statue given milk and it drinks it! A miracle for what? If you give the milk to a dummy, the milk will go to its inside.
But the miracle of Prophet Salih the apostle to the tribe of Thamood which once resided in the north of the Arab Peninsula; his miracle was the she-camel giving them a very large quantity of milk enough for all the tribe: this was on one day, and the other day it drank a large quantity of water; so that they caould not drink water from their water-spring: therefore, the water was divided one day for them and one day for the she-camel.
His miracle they demanded as a proof of his apostle-hood; and even then they hamstrung, slaughtered and distributed its meat among them which was the cause for their extermination.
When the apostle brings about his miracle (given to him by God), then usually his people will almost deny such miracle; therefore, when Prophet Mohammed came, his people demanded from him a material miracle like the she-camel of Salih and the staff of Moses; but God did not give him any material miracle other than the Quran as a scientific and eloquent language miracle.
Miracles of the Prophets
By its very definition "miracle" is a supernatural event. But only if one actually believes in the event. One religion's miracle is another religion's sleight of hand.
I am glad to speak with one of the Sinister family. :smile:
The miracle is not any sleight of hand: e.g. Jesus healed the leper, and the congenitally blind by God's might not by his own might. Jesus and Elia or Elijah revived the dead that died some hours ago by God's might.
The staff of Moses changed to a real serpent and attacked Pharaoh and his men who fled away. And he struck the stone with his staff and it brought twelve gushing water-springs.
The she-camel of Salih drank all their water for the whole one day to give milk enough to all the tribesmen the next day.
The tree of Shuaib was dead for years, and when he gave it water, it was revived and planted once again by God's might.
The Quran is the marvelous miracle of Prophet Mohammed that makes the minds preplexed by its eloquence and scientific and future foretelling and correcting the past altered books.
So all these are not in fact the sleight of hand as you call it, Bar Sinister.
But most of the ancient peoples denied such miracles and said they are some sorcery and magic work.
As in the Quran when the Arab demanded the Moon should be cleft as a miracle for Prophet Mohammed, and they were not given any material objective miracle other than only the Quran:
54: 1-3
اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ .وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ .
وَكَذَّبُوا وَاتَّبَعُوا أَهْوَاءهُمْ وَكُلُّ أَمْرٍ مُّسْتَقِرٌّ
The explanation:
(The hour [of their death] has become imminent, and the moon was detached [from the earth in the past, and will split into two halves in the future, before Doomsday.]
Yet if they see a sign they turn away, and say: "A magic!" continuously.
And they deny [you, Mohammed], and follow their own desires and [the command of] every luxurious commander.)
The Fission of Moon into two halves
(The hour [of their death] has become imminent, and the moon was detached [from the earth in the past, and will split into two halves in the future, before Doomsday.]
Yet if they see a sign they turn away, and say: "A magic!" continuously.
And they deny [you, Mohammed], and follow their own desires and [the command of] every luxurious commander.)
The Fission of Moon into two halves
Because there is no other true god but only God Almighty and Most Gracious in the entire universe; all idols and gods are invented, but only God the Creator is the Absolut Truth.
No god but God without associate.
Thank you AnnaG, you agree with me this time.
maybe the statue was porous?
Certainly, the statue of stone cannot drink or do any work; because it is inanimate and does not think, neither feel nor can harm or profit.
What's his name?
Who says he's the only God?
Who proved it?
And why is proof of other Gods not proof enough of their existence?
God is the Creator and has many names according to various languages: In English He is God, in Hebrew He is Yahweh, in Arabic He is Allah.
All the rest are only idols and some are only mere names that have no objective reality.
As in the Quran 12: 39-40 about the words of Joseph son of Jacob to his fellow prisoners:
يَا صَاحِبَيِ السِّجْنِ أَأَرْبَابٌ مُّتَفَرِّقُونَ خَيْرٌ أَمِ اللّهُ الْوَاحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ . مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلاَّ أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَآؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ أَمَرَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
("O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"
"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority.
The decision [of the worship] is up to God only.
He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped.
That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian [on his sons], but most of people do not know [the truth.]")
("O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"
"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority.
The decision [of the worship] is up to God only.
He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped.
That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian [on his sons], but most of people do not know [the truth.]")
So no other God exists except the one you think does?
According to you. According to many, Genesha does exist and does profit.
I'm not inclined to dismiss Genesha, as I'm not inclined to dismiss Allah. But then again, I have a greater respect for people of faith then you.
I don't pretend I don't. I choose to respect all. Without claiming to have a lock on the "One True" anything. That mentality, is a petri dish of ignorance that does nothing but breed animosity.
And who is Manitou?