We are all one

[Cliffy]

There will not be peace, there will not be success, there will not be health until this one truth is realized by all. It is time to step away from everything that divides us from each other and all life on this planet. Because if we continue down the path we are on we will not allow others to live as we consume more and more of dwindling resources until we consume our host.

YouTube - We are all ONE Please Spread This Message

 

[petros]

I was waiting to hear "take lakota herbs for your arthritis pain".

 

[ByTheRiver]

I like the message very very true!

 

[talloola]

Yes, I agree, what a wonderful thought, but the idea that
it will ever happen is so remote.

The people who want to lead and control will always come
forward, that is the beginning of the end of any idea that
we can all be one, as all the leaders challenge each other
and threaten each other, leaving the people helpless and
unable to do anything about global togetherness.

The religions are so rigid, and unyielding of each other,
that any idea of all being one is impossible.

But we must always try.

 

[Cliffy]

From May 31 - June 6th, 2010, At Lillooet there will be a gathering of indigenous people from all over the world to discuss our responsibilities to the Earth and its children and how to work toward preserving their cultures through the next seven generations. If anybody is interested, it is a chance to visit with people representing many diverse cultures from all over the Earth. There is more info at this web site. It is sponsored by the United Nations and is free (donations of food or cash will be accepted). Meals for the 7 days are provided by the Lillooet band.
International Indigenous Leadership Gathering 2010 - ........ * PROTECTING THE SACRED * ..................... May 31 - June 6, 2010
I just found out about this today, but I hope to attend.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I just found out about this today, but I hope to attend.

My two cents worth: please, if it's at all possible for you, go, and bring us back a report on it, I'd love to hear about it. I think what we are pleased to call civilization is a bloody (literally) plague upon the planet, because it loses touch with the planet, we're not the top of the food chain, we're part of the food chain. I've always liked the idea from aboriginal spirituality of apologizing to the plants and animals we kill for food and remembering that they die to feed us now and eventually we'll die and feed them. There's a cure for civilization's hubris. That's what "we are all one" really means to me. Ever seen Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot video on YouTube? Definitely worth a look. And another look, and another...
YouTube - Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

 

[Cliffy]

Thanks for that Dex. It is quite profound in a world of mindless consumerism, religious and political animosity. It does make this gathering seem even more important to attend.

 

[wulfie68]

From May 31 - June 6th, 2010, At Lillooet there will be a gathering of indigenous people from all over the world to discuss our responsibilities to the Earth and its children...

So everyone but the space aliens is invited? :lol:

Sorry to poke a little fun at you, Cliffy but while I admire the sentiment, I'm with Talloola in thinking its never going to happen. We can talk about how some cultures have more respect for nature than others, but in the end, as a species, we're all about self. We start out motivated by self-preservation, then we move on to self-fulfillment and that takes many forms, many of which don't have room for a strong awareness or concern of the needs of others and the world around us.

 

[hermite]

Cliffy, please count me in as another who would love to hear about it, if you go. If I lived anywhere near there I'd sure be going. And if you want to write a big, long description, feel free to PM me.

And FWIW, I swear by Lakota Rub. Works for me.

 

[Cliffy]

So everyone but the space aliens is invited? :lol:

Sorry to poke a little fun at you, Cliffy but while I admire the sentiment, I'm with Talloola in thinking its never going to happen. We can talk about how some cultures have more respect for nature than others, but in the end, as a species, we're all about self. We start out motivated by self-preservation, then we move on to self-fulfillment and that takes many forms, many of which don't have room for a strong awareness or concern of the needs of others and the world around us.

There may even be some space aliens there. I here the Peladians are very interested in helping raise human consciousness.

In '78 & '79 I attended the Morley Ecumenical Conference of Aboriginal Elders on the Stony Reserve in Alberta. Those were 10 day gatherings dedicated to preserving their culture. Those were 20 days that changed my life. There were about 5000 people representing just about every nation in North America. Now I get to meet representatives of cultures from all over the planet. I'm stoked!

I have to admit that in the past decade or so, I have become jaded like you - too much exposure to the negative side of humanity. I have in fact lost faith in humanity all together. But this gathering just might renew that faith. I don't believe that self centered greed is a common trait of all humans - just modern western capitalist culture and that those traits are learned or conditioned, not natural. That may be wishful thinking on my part, but it is a lot more pleasant to ponder than the alternative.

Cliffy, please count me in as another who would love to hear about it, if you go. If I lived anywhere near there I'd sure be going. And if you want to write a big, long description, feel free to PM me.

And FWIW, I swear by Lakota Rub. Works for me.

I will certainly be happy to fill you in. But if it is anything like the Morley conference, there may be a book worth of stuff to write about.

 

[JLM]

There will not be peace, there will not be success, there will not be health until this one truth is realized by all. It is time to step away from everything that divides us from each other and all life on this planet. Because if we continue down the path we are on we will not allow others to live as we consume more and more of dwindling resources until we consume our host.

YouTube - We are all ONE Please Spread This Message

Ain't it the truth? Do you think the A$$holes who made the mess in the Gulf of Mexico give this sort of thing any thought?

Yes, I agree, what a wonderful thought, but the idea that
it will ever happen is so remote.

The people who want to lead and control will always come
forward, that is the beginning of the end of any idea that
we can all be one, as all the leaders challenge each other
and threaten each other, leaving the people helpless and
unable to do anything about global togetherness.

The religions are so rigid, and unyielding of each other,
that any idea of all being one is impossible.

But we must always try.

Right on Talloola but like it stated in the movie, man will ultimately destroy himself but the planet will survive, which coincides exactly with my philosophy that you can't beat Mother Nature. I never could figure out why the stupidest animal on the planet was given the most brains.................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Ain't it the truth? Do you think the A$$holes who made the mess in the Gulf of Mexico give this sort of thing any thought?

No, but they are dinosaurs and are headed for extinction. More and more people are waking up, switching to alternatives and realizing that we can't continue down this path of self destruction.

 

[karrie]

You know what, I don't want to go tooting my country's horn too much, but, I really feel Canada is taking a step in the right direction for global unity.

How you ask?

Because no one wants to give up their heritage, their way of viewing the world, in order to all be 'one' type of person. Look at what talloola posted straight away... we can't all be one, and she puts the blame on the people who aren't like her for that. And they'd probably place the blame squarely on people like her. And then life gets nowhere.

Canada endeavours though to make neighbours and kin of people who do not share an ideology. To have its populace function and respect one another, even with those differences present. THAT is when we will be able to function as one... not when we try to force people to step away from our differences, but rather, to realize a common ground beyond those differences. To recognize the value of difference, and move on to finding the core similarities that are ten times deeper than the shallow differences.

 

[s_lone]

You know what, I don't want to go tooting my country's horn too much, but, I really feel Canada is taking a step in the right direction for global unity.

How you ask?

Because no one wants to give up their heritage, their way of viewing the world, in order to all be 'one' type of person. Look at what talloola posted straight away... we can't all be one, and she puts the blame on the people who aren't like her for that. And they'd probably place the blame squarely on people like her. And then life gets nowhere.

Canada endeavours though to make neighbours and kin of people who do not share an ideology. To have its populace function and respect one another, even with those differences present. THAT is when we will be able to function as one... not when we try to force people to step away from our differences, but rather, to realize a common ground beyond those differences. To recognize the value of difference, and move on to finding the core similarities that are ten times deeper than the shallow differences.

I fully agree Karrie.

The concept of unity implies some form of differentiation between the parts of the whole. The whole integrates all parts but the parts don't have to lose their distinctive particularities.

 

[darkbeaver]

We are our environment, escape is impossible, yet that has always been the promise of the new world orders. Why they feel imprisoned is key to understanding the irresponsibility and disregard we heap on the rest of nature. We have no dominion over it, that promise was a lie.

 

[Cliffy]

I fully agree Karrie.

The concept of unity implies some form of differentiation between the parts of the whole. The whole integrates all parts but the parts don't have to lose their distinctive particularities.

I think you two have missed the idea of unity. It is not giving up anything. It is a realization that all life is interconnected and interdependent. It has nothing to do with culture or ideology. It is an awareness that life on this planet is an integrated whole, that everything we do has repercussions on the whole, that we cannot destroy any part of this biosphere without causing damage to ourselves. Every tree cut is that much less oxygen for us to breath, every clear cut is the destruction of hundreds of communities of living things - millions of life forms, not just trees. The same with strip mining. A human is but one cell of this massive organism we call Earth.

 

[karrie]

I think you two have missed the idea of unity. It is not giving up anything....

"It is time to step away from everything that divides us..."

Well, you kind of gave the impression with your opening lines of meaning exactly that. Sorry if I misunderstood that particular statement.

 

[talloola]

You know what, I don't want to go tooting my country's horn too much, but, I really feel Canada is taking a step in the right direction for global unity.

Because no one wants to give up their heritage, their way of viewing the world, in order to all be 'one' type of person. Look at what talloola posted straight away... we can't all be one, and she puts the blame on the people who aren't like her for that.

Karrie I can get along with, like and understand religious
people just fine, they are part of my family, and friends.

My point was 'that', they can't 'join one' with each other
to agree on 'what' they believe, I am not part of that.

If atheists were divided into many different groups and
banged heads with each other, and had wars and fought tooth
and nail for their particular form of atheisism, I would
agree, but such is not the case.

Now, if all religions joined together to accept each other
and 'never' push back and have religious wars etc., as they
have done, and still have on this earth, there would be
such harmony between them, that really doesn't change much
for me, I would still accept them as I do now, have them
in my family and as friends, as I do now, and I would not
have to become religious to do that.

I am not a fighter, a leader of a country, a power hungry
person, nor do I hate or fear others because they are not
like me, I am just part of the masses who are forced to
do as the country does, and fortunately our country is a
peaceful one, but many are not, and the people are prisoners
in their own countries in those situations.

People can view the world in many different ways, and still
tolerate, like and accept each other, and get along and
all strive for the same peacefull co- existence, and openly
and happily accept their differences, and many do that now.

 

[Cliffy]

"It is time to step away from everything that divides us..."

Well, you kind of gave the impression with your opening lines of meaning exactly that. Sorry if I misunderstood that particular statement.

The main thing that separates us is the myth of our egos, and their need to be right. In order for us to be right, we need someone to be wrong. We may think that we are separate, but inevitably we will have to come to the realization of unity in order to survive as a species.

 

[AnnaG]

Humans will never be of one mind like a colony of ants. Too many people want to control others and too many people want to be controlled. Too many people think their way is the only way. Too many people are greedy.
The best we can do is to surround ourselves with people of good character and ignore the rest. (or poke fun at them)