Christianity and the Birth of Science
The real warfare,
The real warfare,
Do religious leaders have the authority to make scientific judgments and do scientific leaders have the authority to make religious/metaphysical judgments?
Christianity and the Birth of Science
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I'm not buying the arguments at that link. Christianity was around for about 1500 years before real science reared its head anywhere in Christendom, and didn't really get going in a form we'd recognize as modern science until The Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. If Christianity really fostered the development of science, the episode with Galileo wouldn't have happened. Religious authority generally tries to suppress science.
"Do religious leaders have the authority to make scientific judgments..." Sure, if they're also scientists. Some pretty good scientists have been Jesuits, for instance.
"...and do scientific leaders have the authority to make religious/metaphysical judgments?" Sure, to the extent that religion makes empirical claims about the nature of things.
"Do religious leaders have the authority to make scientific judgments..." Sure, if they're also scientists. Some pretty good scientists have been Jesuits, for instance.
"...and do scientific leaders have the authority to make religious/metaphysical judgments?" Sure, to the extent that religion makes empirical claims about the nature of things.
Good day Dexter, interesting how religion as you say at the Galileo time was in full force, as we know Galileo was jailed for life for believing that our solar system was heliocentric, while the authorities or government intertwined by Christianity believed it was geocentric.
The wrong that was inflicted on Galileo by Christianity back then, describes the fiber of religions at that time, Christianity in this case who had the ill conception of human existence.
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wow I didn't know the Chinese were Christians.
History of science and technology in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
History of science and technology in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How come any discussion of science and civilization tend to ignore some of the first and oldest civilizations to have existed, the ones right here in the Americas? Many are as old or older than the Chinese and had the mathematical, architectual and astrological know how to rival any civilization. They certainly were centuries ahead of any Europeans, possibly millennium.
I tend to not take my history/philosophy lessons from zoologist/geneticists.
I find it laughable that anyone would try to look at the development of science, technology, and industry, divorced of the factors of political stability, weather, geography, and access to resources. Oh yeah... it's the Judeo/Christian bit that was the key. :roll:
I find it laughable that anyone would try to look at the development of science, technology, and industry, divorced of the factors of political stability, weather, geography, and access to resources. Oh yeah... it's the Judeo/Christian bit that was the key. :roll:
he said it didn't get going in what we'd recognize as modern science. Once the pyramids were built, did science keep on rolling in the region? No. Was it what we'd recognize as modern science? No.
Impressive as hell... yes. But, much like the Mayans, it never kept going from there.
THe science that built that WAS the religion.
Never kept going? Nooooo more like it has been supressed by Pharoahs, Rabbis, Popes and kings
Impressive as hell... yes. But, much like the Mayans, it never kept going from there.
Science lead to religion. Gnosis. Very very few but the iniates into the "mystery schools" held this knowledge of the "sacred geometry and geomancy". By the time an iniate used his magic science to impress a culture they all used it unwisely and demised through greed and control.
The same story has been repeated countless times through history through the rise and fall of the acquisition of this gnosis.
This great Jew and Christian arc everyone thinks is magic is purely the gnosis stolen from Egypt.
The gnosis of sacred geometry and geomancy has been used against the common man since the dawn of civilization and is heavily in use today.
Ever heard the story of the young builder (builders have the gnosis gained as an iniate apprentice) who trashed a temple because the holders of gnosis (Rabbis) were cheating the people and was killed for it because he was educating people about this gnosis? Where was this hapening? In the house God built. God is Gnosis and is the builder of the universe.
al Khemey came along about 14th century. Christianity was rolling along quite well at the time. al Ghabra came along in about 13th century.
Thus the Gnostic Gospels were suppressed by Constantine, and ordered burnt along with most scientific and "spiritual" knowledge. Only one copy survived the purge and today contains the knowledge that the RC and protestant, Jewish and Muslim clerics want to destroy and/or suppress. Because this knowledge makes null and void all present day religions. And they were written by the followers of Jesus.