World Religions

[dattaswami]

World Religions


If anyone says that his/her religion is the only path to God and that other paths lead to hell, I have one humble question. The question is for every religion without any trace of partiality. The simple question is: Today I have heard your Religion and if I follow that, I reach God and if I refuse I will go to the hell for my own fault. This is very much reasonable. But before your ancestors discovered our country, the literature or even the name of your religion was not known to our ancestor and he could not reach God for no fault of him. But your ancestor reached God through your religion at that time.

Even if I assume that my ancestor will take rebirth now and will follow your religion to reach God, such possibility is ruled out because you say that there is no rebirth for the soul. Thus my ancestor suffered forever for no fault of him and the responsibility for this falls on the partiality of God. Had the God been impartial, He could have revealed your religion to all the countries at a time. Had that happened, my ancestor might have also reached God as your ancestor. Therefore your statement proves your own God partial.

The only way left over to you to make your God impartial is that you must accept that your God appeared in all the countries at a time in various forms and preached your path in various languages. The same form did not appear everywhere and the same language does not exist everywhere. The syllabus and explanation are one and the same, though the media and teachers are different. Can you give any alternative reasonable answer to my question other than this? Certainly not! Any person of any religion to any other religion can pose this question.

Moreover every religion states that their God only created this world. Unfortunately this world is one only and every God cannot create the same world. There are no many worlds to justify that each God created His own world. Therefore any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God who created this one world and He came in different forms to different countries and preached the same path in all the languages simultaneously at one time.

Let this logic sword of the divine knowledge cut the rigid conservatism of the religious fans in this world to establish the Universal Peace. I need not beg all these religious followers to be united and harmonious to each other for the sake of world peace. Such begging appeals are made enough in the past. The religious fans feel that there is no unity really in the religions but they have to be united since their kind hearts melted by these appeals. Thus a temporary change was only brought. At the maximum one generation of the followers got united. The next generation fights with each other because they feel that there is no real unity in them due to lack of the real unity in their religious scriptures.

A permanent solution for this does not lie in the begging appeals, which may or may not unite the followers. Even if the appeals unite such unity is not permanent. If the real unity in all the religious scriptures is exposed through the logical divine knowledge, the followers have to be united for generations together. Therefore, My attack is not on the hearts of the followers through love and kindness. My attack is on all the religious scriptures through intellectual logical analysis of divine knowledge. The unity of hearts through love can be only temporary. The unity of brains through intellectual analytical divine knowledge will be permanent. Hearts agree but brains realize. Agreement is temporary, but realization is permanent. Thus this is My first blow of My divine Conch shell for the permanent unity of all the religions aiming at eternal Universal Peace.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... any human being with an iota of commonsense has to agree that there is only one impartial God...

No, I don't think that's true at all. I think any human being with an iota of common sense and a basic knowledge of reality as human investigations over the last few centuries have shown it to be, would conclude the number of gods is zero.

 

[Spade]

Religion is speculation about the unknowable. That speculation is characteristically human, but don't expect a single definitive answer.

 

[Cliffy]

No, I don't think that's true at all. I think any human being with an iota of common sense and a basic knowledge of reality as human investigations over the last few centuries have shown it to be, would conclude the number of gods is zero.

I agree. What I found scary is the thought of all religions uniting in their common belief in one god. Although that might seem like a good thing on the surface (ie: peace) they would put up a united front against scientific investigation into our true origins.

Just when we caught a break from the constant spamming of our Muslim friends, now we get some self appointed swami trying to spam us on Xmas. I wonder why most people are fed up with religion.

 

[Cliffy]

Religion is speculation about the unknowable. That speculation is characteristically human, but don't expect a single definitive answer.

As every person on the planet has had a different experience of life, their view of reality is unique unto themselves. Any information coming in is coloured by their unique world view, so it is impossible for any two people to agree on just about anything. It would be so much better if we could all agree to just be human and unite under that understanding instead of looking for institutions outside ourselves to try to unite us.

The human race is one big dysfunctional family. Perhaps if we could accept that, we could act like a family. We might disagree and fight sometimes, but when another is in distress or dire straights, we would rush to their rescue and support them. Do we need more than our humanity to get along?

 

[Spade]

Happy solstice, cousin.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Dattaswami, I know a little bit about Hindu religion (we visited India a couple of years ago). Are you a Hindu? Your name sure sounds like a Hindu name.

Anyway, what you are saying sounds very much like Hindu philosophy. I think Hinduism prescribes several different paths to salvation and also says that the list is not exclusive, that there may be more paths to salvation.

So in a way, other religions such as Christianity, Islam etc are not really in conflict with Hinduism.

Anyway, I am an Atheist, but I find Hindu, Buddhist philosophy much more palatable that Muslim or Christian dogma.

 

[Spade]

Is Dattaswami a data swami (statistician or computer guru)?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Is Dattaswami a data swami (statistician or computer guru)?

That may well be, Spade, but I think Datta is the name of a Hindu God. As to swami, I think that means a holy man or something.

Anyway, how come you are on this forum today? I didn’t expect anybody would be discussing in the forum today.

I am myself at a bit of a lose end. My son gets only one week off at Christmas or New Year. He doesn’t care much about Christmas (he is a chip off the old block), so he volunteered to work during Christmas week, so others could get time off during Christmas. He will come home this Saturday for a week. We probably will have our Christmas dinner on Sunday.

Anyway, seeing that he won’t be around, my wife also volunteered to work today. She got called a while ago, to assist in a surgery.

I myself worked for half a day, until lunch time. Now I am at a lose end. Christmas Carol is coming on; I think I will watch that.

 

[Cliffy]

Swami for Precedent

“Swami for Precedent” Provides Unprecedented Comedy and Unprecedented Wisdom in an Unprecedented Election Year

1. Let’s Elect Ourselves!
Time to Act Like Citizens, Not Subjects
“Government of the people, by the people, for the people . . . people — hey, that’s us!”

2. Improve Reality!
From Original Sin to Humanifest Destiny
“Why don’t we go for heaven on Earth — just for the hell of it?”

3. Pray It Forward
And Practice Supply-Side Spirituality
“We’re not here to earn God’s love, we’re here to spend it.”

4. Tell-A-Vision
And Change the Programming for Good
“If you don’t like the current programming, turn off your TV and tell a vision instead.”

5. Invest in A-Bun-Dance, Not Scare-City
How to Feed Two Birds With One Scone, and Make the Commonwealth Uncommonly Wealthy
“Let’s put our money into goods and services instead of bads and disservices.”

6. Revitalize the Body Politic
How to Exercise Our Rights and Re-Constitute the Constitution
“Time to pump ironies and do free press presses”

7. Don’t Get Even, Get Odd!
Politics As Unusual
“Forget about getting even. If the Law of Karma is right, the odds are it will all even out in the end anyway.”

 

[dattaswami]

The essence of all the religions is one and the same

Is Dattaswami a data swami (statistician or computer guru)?

That may well be, Spade, but I think Datta is the name of a Hindu God. As to swami, I think that means a holy man or something.

Anyway, how come you are on this forum today? I didn’t expect anybody would be discussing in the forum today.

I am myself at a bit of a lose end. My son gets only one week off at Christmas or New Year. He doesn’t care much about Christmas (he is a chip off the old block), so he volunteered to work during Christmas week, so others could get time off during Christmas. He will come home this Saturday for a week. We probably will have our Christmas dinner on Sunday.

Anyway, seeing that he won’t be around, my wife also volunteered to work today. She got called a while ago, to assist in a surgery.

I myself worked for half a day, until lunch time. Now I am at a lose end. Christmas Carol is coming on; I think I will watch that.

The essence of all the religions is one and the same since the Universal God gives it. The religions are different from each other because the religious leaders who are the human beings create the material that surrounds the essence. The skeleton is one and the same and there is no difference in the skeletons of the human beings. The difference lies only in the external materials covering the skeletons, which are flesh, skin etc., in these external materials differences arose due to deficiencies. Suppose there are two students. One is weak in physics and the other is weak in chemistry.

Each student mocks the other for the deficiency. Therefore, the deficiency is the root of difference and quarrels in the religions. The reason for the deficiency is the human brain that developed the external body of the spiritual knowledge. Therefore, the spiritual knowledge is the skeleton and the religion is its body. The deficiency in a religion can be removed by taking the merits of the other religions. Every religion has deficiency and the rectification of that deficiency should be from other religion without any ego and jealousy. Do not think that you are without defects. Do not think that your parents have no defects. Do not think that your teachers and preachers do not have defects. Therefore, observe others and take the merits from anybody without prejudice.

The blind thinking that your nation, your state, your district, your town or village, your caste, your family, your parents, etc., is the best or highest should be eradicated from your brain. Always base your self on your analysis and commonsense that is observed from the examples in the world. Your elders might have polluted the scriptures but this world is the best scripture written by God. This world-scripture is Universal without any color of any religion. You can develop the entire spiritual knowledge by observing this world and the scientific knowledge existing in the various examples or items of the world. Any human being cannot pollute these. You must be scientific and analytical in your belief. The ignorant and clever religious elders always exploit blind belief.

 

[dattaswami]

Resolving contradictions between different scriptures

Dattaswami, I know a little bit about Hindu religion (we visited India a couple of years ago). Are you a Hindu? Your name sure sounds like a Hindu name.

Anyway, what you are saying sounds very much like Hindu philosophy. I think Hinduism prescribes several different paths to salvation and also says that the list is not exclusive, that there may be more paths to salvation.

So in a way, other religions such as Christianity, Islam etc are not really in conflict with Hinduism.

Anyway, I am an Atheist, but I find Hindu, Buddhist philosophy much more palatable that Muslim or Christian dogma.

The same Lord came to different parts of the world in different age to preach the same Divine Knowledge. All the scriptures of the world are the records of the knowledge given by the same Lord and hence cannot contradict each other. Yet we find sometimes that there are some glaring contradictions between different scriptures of the world. This is in part due to fact that the Lord taught the same truth in different ages and places in a slightly different way, so as to suit the culture and language of the people. This is only an extraneous difference. The essential knowledge is the same. Correct interpretation will remove the contradiction.
Sometimes there may be an apparent difference even in the essential meaning.

In such as case the inconsistency is probably caused by corruption of the scripture over generations. Comparison with other scriptures of the world will help in removing the corrupted portions in each scripture. Here it becomes essential to bring in experience as a prama?a or a valid means of knowledge. While comparing contradictory views in different scriptures, the view which agrees with experience or anubhuti should be taken as correct.

 

[dattaswami]

Convincing atheists

I am an Atheist, .

The logic of atheists is based on perception (Pratyaksha Pramana), which was propagated by the sage Charvaka. Perception means the knowledge derived from the observation with the naked eyes. In fact in the logic (Tarka Sastra) all the means of knowledge are based on perception only. In the inference (Anumana) also, the fire on the hill is inferred by its smoke. But the relationship between the fire and smoke is perceived with the naked eyes only. Similarly other means of knowledge are also based on the perception only. Thus Charvaka forms the basic of the entire logic and without logic there is no knowledge. The statement that the God is above logic must be proved only by perception.

The divine miracles performed by the human form of Lord prove that there is a power above the logic. These miracles are seen by the naked eyes. The atheists must be allowed to prove whether the miracles are simply magic tricks. When they cannot prove, they must accept the existence of super power above the logic. If they do not accept this they are contradicting their own basis, which is the perception. The divine miracles are experienced by the devotees and the experience cannot be contradicted. If the experience is contradicted, the experience of the atheists is also contradicted. Therefore atheists must be open-minded and should not be conservative. If they are conservative they have no right to criticize the religious conservatism.

The theory of Vedas and Bhagavath Gita never contradicts the perception and therefore the logic of atheists becomes the basis of the spiritual knowledge. The Lord comes in human form and this human form is perceived by the naked eyes. Even the miracles performed by demons establish the existence of super power. Therefore to convince the atheists the miracles of the Lord are not necessary. When they are convinced about the existence of the Super power (Maya), the possessor of the Super Power, the Lord, coming in human form must be also accepted because the form is seen by the naked eyes. The salvation is breakage of the bonds in this world. Since the bonds of this world exist based on the perception, the salvation is also existing based on the perception.

Since the family members and the money are perceived by the eyes, the bonds with them are also perceived. Thus the salvation (Moksha) must be accepted by the atheists. A single bond with the human form of the Lord is called ‘Saayujya’ or ‘Kaivalya’. Since the human form is perceived, Sayujya or Kaivalya is also perceived and must be accepted by the atheists. The Bliss is derived by the devotee from the divine knowledge of the human form of the Lord. Therefore the Bliss is also true according to atheists. Thus the goal, the means to please the Lord (Sadhana) and the fruit of Sadhana (Moksha and Kaivalya) are perceived and exist in this world itself. Veda says ‘Yat Saakshat Aparokshaat’, ‘Pratyagatmana Maikshat’ which mean that the Lord in human form is perceived by the naked eyes. Veda also says ‘Ihachet Avedeet’, which means that everything is true as seen in this world itself.

This is called ‘Jeevanmukthi’, which means attaining the salvation while one is alive and not after death. The salvation after the death is not true because that has no basis of perception. Thus if the atheists are little bit patient and leave their aggressive nature of criticism, they are best fitted in the true spiritual knowledge of Vedas. In fact Swami Vidyaranya included the philosophy of Charvaka in his book as one of the logical philosophies (Darsanaas).

 

[dattaswami]

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible

No, I don't think that's true at all. I think any human being with an iota of common sense and a basic knowledge of reality as human investigations over the last few centuries have shown it to be, would conclude the number of gods is zero.

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

 

[Spade]

I reach salvation with a good woman and Canadian beer,

 

[JzBringIt]

well .. i have heared a long talk which been between King Of Egypt " while Egypt was a kingdom " about 1940+ and he brought " Islamic scientist , Christian's scientist , Jew's scientist " and he ask them to prove which religion is truth and will guide you to straight path .
So he ask them , and Jew ask Christian to start and Christian ask Muslim to start .
Then muslim said " if Jews going to enter Paradise becouse they beleive on Moses " Peace be upon him " so Muslims going to be with them becouse they believe on Moses" Peace be upon him " . And if Christian going to enter Paradise becouse they beleive on Jesus " Peace be upon him " so Muslims going to be with them becouse they believe on Jesus " Peace be upon him " .And if Muslims going to enter Paradise becouse they beleive on Muhammed " Peace be upon him " so no one going to join them !
that's explain Islam is the right way .

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Hmm... Would I be right in thinking that
1. your user name says Jesus Brings It, and you're a Christian, and
2. English is not your first language?

#1's probably wrong, as you say "Islam is the right way," though it's not clear whether that's what you think yourself, or it's just what Muslims will say. But naturally, every follower of every religion will say their way is the right way. And that's really what's wrong with all of them.

 

[JzBringIt]

it's Just bring it

and English is not my first language

and i'm not Christian

 

[JzBringIt]

no Islam got proofs !

 

[JzBringIt]

u may check every single word .. check and try to let ur mind face our truth !
it just a simple straight path .. take it or leave it
our god witness on it ! .. we already guide u and u refuse
u gonna regret .. cya