Is there proof of life after death (Proof Of Life After Death)

Is there proof of life after death

eanassir

#241

Aug 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

Not going to think about 'life after death', how about 'life on earth', there is a point
to that I would think, as the importance of our connection to our earth is far too
ignored, and all of this energy about life after death, is so hollow.

There was a man in the time of Moses and Joshua, called Balaam the son of Bosor; he was a worshipper; he served God 1000 months (which I think equals about 80 years); his prayers were answered; his tongue in the prayer moved according to God's good pleasure.

Then this man apostatized ad coveted the wealth and the temporary enjoyment of the World, and he lost all his rank and degree and position before God Most Gracious.

His story is written in the Torah (included in the Old Testament: the book of Joshua)

God – be exalted – mentioned his story in the Quran 7: 175-176

وَاتْلُ عَلَيْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذِيَ آتَيْنَاهُ آيَاتِنَا فَانسَلَخَ مِنْهَا فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَكَانَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ . وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَكِنَّهُ أَخْلَدَ إِلَى الأَرْضِ وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ ...الخ

The explanation:
(And recite to the [Jews] the story of [Balaam] to whom We gave Our signs, but he was stripped off them, and Satan pursued him, so he became one of those who beguile.

Had We pleased We would have raised him up [to Paradise] because of that [: his piety and worship]; but he inclined to [stay on] the earth, and followed his [own vain] desires…etc.)

The story of Balaam who lived in the time of Joshua, is written in the Book of Numbers, chapter 22.

eanassir
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talloola

#242

Aug 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

There was a man in the time of Moses and Joshua, called Balaam the son of Bosor; he was a worshipper; he served God 1000 months (which I think equals about 80 years); his prayers were answered; his tongue in the prayer moved according to God's good pleasure.
Then this man apostatized ad coveted the wealth and the temporary enjoyment of the World, and he lost all his rank and degree and position before God Most Gracious.
His story is written in the Torah (included in the Old Testament: the book of Joshua)
God – be exalted – mentioned his story in the Quran 7: 175-176
وَاتْلُ عَلَيْهِمْ نَبَأَ الَّذِيَ آتَيْنَاهُ آيَاتِنَا فَانسَلَخَ مِنْهَا فَأَتْبَعَهُ الشَّيْطَانُ فَكَانَ مِنَ الْغَاوِينَ . وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَكِنَّهُ...
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Life on earth is a paradise, to live is to 'soar' and 'have energy' and the pleasure of
walking on this earth, our home, is one I will never abuse, as there are millions who
are not here any more, who, I'm sure would trade me places any day, if they could.
I continue the path of my parents, who before me, did what I am doing during their
lives, and because of them, I now can enjoy my life here.
I'm not going to take my eye off the ball, I see what I have here, and I appreciate every
minute of it, and I'm not going to wander around kneeling and praying to something
which has nothing to do with this earth or our lives here.
And, if you think for one minute, that you are a better person than I, or anyone else
like me, then you have missed the point entirely.

eanassir

#243

Aug 4th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

Life on earth is a paradise, to live is to 'soar' and 'have energy' and the pleasure of
walking on this earth, our home ...

The patient that was a hypocrite:
Once I saw a man: a patient, he came that I may examine him and give him the medical advice.
This man had a myocardial infarction, which is truly dangerous situation for him; so this over middle age man started to cry and weep; I thought he cried for fear of God, but this foolish cried for other reason; he said: "I cry for this beautiful World, how I shall depart from it, and I shall leave my wealth to others to enjoy it."

I surprised from his condition; I don't remember I met someone like this foolish; so I rebuked him, and said to him:
"Aren't you a Muslim? Don't you know that this life of the World will not last forever, and that man should seek after God's good pleasure?"
He said crying: "Yes, I know, but this World is beautiful; how can I leave it?"

So I know that he was a hypocrite, and a Worldly man, and in fact he was a sinner, and he was afraid lest he should die and go to his True Master Who will recompense him according to his many sins; and I was about to beat him on his face, but that he was a patient.

Then, I said to him: "I hope that God may cure you, but you should not do as such; it is better for you to seek after God's good pleasure by serving Him alone and leave all your atheism and association with God and give alms to the poor and needy specially among your family and kindred, and let all that be for the sake of God alone."

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 62: 8

قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

The explanation:
(Say [to them]: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you,
then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open];
and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)

A true believer and his son:
The following is another example, opposite to that foolish hypocrite:
A man brought his son to the hospital for some surgical operation; he started to instruct his son and say to him:
"No god but God alone, Mohammed is the apostle of God; to God we shall ultimately return; He is our True Master: the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."

I said to him kindly: "You may make him fearful."

He said: "No, he is a true believer; and knows that whatever God decrees, we accept and are glad with."

So I admired him and his son, and kissed his forehead, and I and his father prayed for the boy cure and health. And his operation succeeded and his son regained his consciousness and became intact once again.

eanassir
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eanassir

#244

Aug 4th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Kinda sounds like a Bob Dylan song..... Everybody must get stoned.....

Why do you go to such points, instead of considering the idea in this parable?

It is only a symbolic story, I read it in some magazines, I don't think it is a true story; but I mentioned it in order to demonstrate the idea that some only dispute and insist on wrangling whatever answer they may be given.

talloola

#245

Aug 4th, 2008

[quote=eanassir;974153]

The patient that was a hypocrite:

The unbeliever, (as you call them), can, and do live and die, without being afraid, just
because they do not believe in your god, or any god for that matter, doesn't mean they
are wimpering hypocrites. The strong come in many colors and styles, believers and non
believers.
I understand that I will die some day, and all I ask is that I have a chance to live my life in
a normal natural way to old age, then I will graciously move over and let my energy go, and
leave my life behind. I will leave a lot of energy behind when I go, and that energy will be
living in my daughters, I see it now, and I am proud of them, they are smart and good.
It is normal, not to want to leave this world, it is wonderful here, and a realistic person knows, that there is no more, it is the end, and at a certain age and experience, one can let it go, it's OK. It is not a hypocrite, but a realistic and strong person who can 'die'
with grace and strength, knowing there is 'no' afterlife, and if one believes there is an afterlife, it would be relatively easy to die, as you believe you will go on to a different
way of living, so, what's the big problem, as you're not 'really really' dying at all, just crossing over to another level.
I would rather face reality 'head on', and realize what will happen at the end of my life,
rather than put myself in some 'level of fantasy' where I have let someone convince me that I will go to an afterlife. I am a realist, and proud of it. I don't follow 'groups', I follow
my instincts, and intelligence, and again, I must be true to myself.

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scratch

#246

Aug 4th, 2008

[quote=talloola;974162]

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

The patient that was a hypocrite:

The unbeliever, (as you call them), can and do live and die, without being afraid, just
because they do not believe in your god, or any god for that matter, doesn't mean they
are wimpering hypocrites. The strong come in many colors and styles, believers and non
believers.
I understand that I will die some day, and all I ask is that I have a chance to live my life in
a normal natural way to old age, then I will graciously move over and let my energy go, and
leave my life behind. I will leave a lot of energy behind when I go, and that energy will be
living in my daughters, I see it now, and I am proud of them, they are smart and good.
It is normal, not to want to leave this world, it is wonderful here, and a realistic person knows, that there is no more, it is the end, and at a certain age and experience, one can let it go, it's OK. It is not a hypocrite, but a realistic and strong person who can 'die'
with grace and strength, knowing there is 'no' afterlife, and if one believes there is an afterlife, it would be relatively easy to die, as you believe you will go on to a different
way of living, so, what's the big problem, as you're not 'really really' dying at all, just crossing over to another level.
I would rather face reality 'head on', and realize what will happen at the end of my life,
rather than put myself in some 'level of fantasy' where I have let someone convince me that I will go to an afterlife. I am a realist, and proud of it. I don't follow 'groups', I follow
my instincts, and intelligence, and again, I must be true to myself.

Lady of the Island,

Very well put and I shall second you.

talloola

#247

Aug 4th, 2008

[quote=scratch;974172]

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

Lady of the Island,

Very well put and I shall second you.

That's good

typingrandomstuff

#248

Aug 5th, 2008

No man and woman. Wrongdoers are punished in the most unexpected ways. I don't know my position. I am currently serving my sentences as well.

Hawkins

#249

Aug 7th, 2008

I believe that I ever died once. I went all the way down to the last point. I thus gathered some information through the experience. Though people call that NDE, it seems to me mine is a special one. Here are some of the characteristics.

1. You know you are going to die
Death (natural death at least) is a destined or fated process. So when time comes you know clearly that you are going to die. Sensitive people know that around several days before death, some of them know exactly which day they are going to die.

Less sensitive people will also go through this "know" process. From my experience, I knew clearly that I was going to die. No one told me that as no one ever expected my death/NDE. Yet I simply knew clearly that I was going to die.

2. A New Dimension
Once you know that you are going to die you will go desperate, if you death is unexpected, as such in my case. I was suffered from a virus attack. The next thing you will feel about is a brand new space dimension. I later on figured out that it's because my soul started to leave off my body. And I conclude that our physical bodies can only perceive 3-dimensional space. We are made so not to perceive other dimensions. Our senses limit our perceptions to the 3D space surrounding us. Yet our souls can perceive other dimension(s) once they are no longer bound by our physical bodies/senses.

3. Time is slowing down
Once you enter the death process with your soul tilting a bit off your body, other than the perception of a new dimension(s), you (I think it's actually your soul) will also perceive that time seems to slow down. There's always a long wait in between what will happen next. So it gives plenty of time for you to think. I was conscious (I believe so) so i thought a lot, very sane and practical things of which even with an after review I still can't find any flaw there showing that it's delusional.

Other than all the practical things one will think of when facing death, you will keep asking what's next during the wait.

4. The environment is dim
Thou it's a sunshine afternoon, what I saw (I think that's what my soul saw) is a dim environment. Later on I found a good description for this extra dimension(s), it’s a gloomy dungeon(s) as mentioned in the Scripture. And at the moment when I saw normal lighting, I realized right away that I was back.

There are other events showing that I might actually be paying a visit to Hades.

5. A pulling force
Whenever my soul tried to sit up, I perceived a pulling force from my body to draw my soul back to the body. I didn't realize this during the death process. It's afterwards when I thought back that I realized this behavior. I tried several times to sit up while my body kept pulling me back.

On the reality side, there's no evidence showing that I had ever sat up. I was lying on the bed all the times. So after backing to reality and doing an after thought, I conclude that it was my soul that did the sitting up, while my body kept pulling it back to position.

And I wonder if this is applicable to everyone, I think that others' souls may be less "attached" to the bodies to feel the pulling force. Maybe it's easier for others souls’ to get off the bodies. I am clueless about this yet.

6. Something coming out
Then I felt that something was trying to come out of my body. I didn't know what it is. All I knew is that after its coming out there will be no turning back. Death is a one way ticket. I tried for awhile to keep it inside me. Then I thought to myself, "if by fate that I am going to die, why should I fight it, why not just let it go". Finally, I made a decision to let whatever inside me come out.

I sided my head while I could still have a glance at the chain of shadows floating out of me. At the beginning, the first one or two shadows were passive ones, till the third (or second), it was an active one. I was scared and sat up as a kind of reflex action. All of a sudden, it seemed that the active shadow took control of me that I made a loud roar. Then I was pulling back onto the bed. I could feel my jaws when the roar was made, and I could feel my back touching the bed when I dropped back.

Since I had no concept about souls and spirits at that moment, to be precise, I knew that I might have a soul but I didn't know that souls can be different from spirits. So mistakenly I thought it was my soul that coming out of me. It's a month later that I started to realize that it's my spirit(s) that came out of me. Still I don't know if the whole chain of shadows are called a spirit, or only the active one is called the spirit, or we can actually accommodate more than one spirits. I have no clue yet about this.

7. Other entities were around
at the moment when the active spirit took control and I made a loud voice, I heard a lot of "wows" around, it seemed to me that there were people around my bed watching. I didn't pay much attention to that as I was more scared by what happened to me at the moment. Moreover, I thought that it might be from other patients who heard my voice. It was later on that I realized that they were the supernatural entities, possibly the so called wicked souls.

8. A Spell-casting
now I felt the high pressure from my heart, it seemed that my heart beat had not yet come to a stop. It's truly uncomfortable. I waited for awhile till the last moment came. I knew automatically that it's the last moment of the process. I was suddenly pulled up by an external force, I was half sitting on the bed curiously waiting and watching what would happen next. It looked more like a spell-casting on me with both the visual and sound effect. Then I was released by the force and was dropped back on the bed. I felt that my heart beat went to a stop...

9. No time gap
the next moment I suddenly saw normal lighting and realized that I might have come back. So I jumped up and yelled "O Lord save me, O Lord save me". The same prayer I repeated over and over again during the death process.

This time the pulling force disappeared.

When I thought back, I found no time gap between the blackout and the waking-up.

It's was more than one year later that I started to realize that the last "spell-casting" may be a process putting me into a sleep.

10. Not yet fully back
Thou I was back to reality, I started to realize that I was not yet fully back. I could still hear those wicked souls. So something truly frightening occurred under the witness of the doctors and nurses...

I conclude here that death is a process that;
- you know and realize that you are going to die
- your soul starts to tilt off your body to perceive a new dimension (Hades) where time is slowing down
- you decide to let go your spirit
- with a loud voice you give up your spirit (it took control of you to make the loud voice)
- you will then be put to a sleep, you won't perceive time during the sleep
- next time when you see the light, you are resurrected

L Gilbert

#250

Aug 8th, 2008

Well, that's an opinion. Mine is such that when your brain stops receiving signals from the rest of your body and itself has ceased activity, you are dead ...... no music, no lights, no heaven, hell, pearly gates, or purgatory. Your molecules and energies begin dissipate and that's it. You become one with the universe. lol (Of course if you live in it you are one with it anyway).

eanassir

#251

Aug 8th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by Hawkins

I conclude here that death is a process that;
- you know and realize that you are going to die

When man dies, it is not of his own will; all people do not want to die.

Sometimes man feels and knows that he will soon die; he then starts to recommend his will or bequest.

Other times, he is not aware; all of a sudden he dies, and this may be one of two conditions:
1- Either he had some serious diseases like Cardiovascular or Cerebrovascular accident, or some serious trauma like electric shock or car accident or other accidents like bullet or a heavy weight falls on his head …etc.
2- Or he had nothing of that, but merely he dies all of a sudden, and he either being of old age, or even a young one when his appointment of death is due.
And here you see him intact just one moment ago, and then all of a sudden he succumbs; in few instances he may return to life once again, and start his life again (sometimes he tells strange stories, and sometimes he forgets, or refuse to tell anything.)

B – Following man's death, he will go to a new world, and will encounter some different circumstances. He will be alert to many conditions he was unaware to and unfamiliar with, and will see the material things in addition to the spiritual beings like human souls, genies and their souls and angels.
This is in the Quran 50: 22

لَقَدْ كُنتَ فِي غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ هَذَا فَكَشَفْنَا عَنكَ غِطَاءكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ

The explanation:
([It will be said] "You were heedless of this* . Now have We removed your veil** from you, and sharp is your sight this day.")

It means: he will be sharp-sighted or keen-sighted, so that, in the life of the World, he could only see material things; while after his death, he will become able to see both material and ethereal objects; he will become able to see souls, genies, angels and other ethereal creatures; he will be able to hear them if they talk to him, and hear him if he speaks to them.

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* [i.e. this day, this judgment and punishment.]

** [i.e. the body which was a covering of the soul, and it has been removed by death.]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hawkins

- you decide to let go your spirit

You cannot decide the hour of your death; this is in the Quran 3: 145

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَنْ تَمُوتَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ الله كِتَابًا مُّؤَجَّلاً

The explanation:
(It is not for any soul to die, save by God's leave, and at a term appointed.)

And the hour of man's death is unknown but only God knows it.

This is in the Quran 31: 34

إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

The explanation:
(Surely, God: with Him is the knowledge of the hour [of man's death];
and He sends down the rain;
and He knows what is in wombs;
and no soul knows what it is that it shall earn to-morrow;
and no soul knows in what land it shall die;
surely, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware.)

eanassir
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L Gilbert

#252

Aug 8th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

When man dies, it is not of his own will; all people do not want to die.

Ever heard of suicide?

Quote:

Sometimes man feels and knows that he will soon die; he then starts to recommend his will or bequest.

Quote:

Other times, he is not aware; all of a sudden he dies, and this may be one of two conditions:

1- Either he had some serious diseases like Cardiovascular or Cerebrovascular accident, or some serious trauma like electric shock or car accident or other accidents like bullet or a heavy weight falls on his head …etc.
2- Or he had nothing of that, but merely he dies all of a sudden, and he either being of old age, or even a young one when his appointment of death is due.
And here you see him intact just one moment ago, and then all of a sudden he succumbs; in few instances he may return to life once again, and start his life again (sometimes he tells strange stories, and sometimes he forgets, or refuse to tell anything.)

Yup. There's a myriad of possible deaths.

Quote:

B – Following man's death, he will go to a new world, and will encounter some different circumstances. He will be alert to many conditions he was unaware to and unfamiliar with, and will see the material things in addition to the spiritual beings like human souls, genies and their souls and angels.

This is only alleged. There's still no supporting evidence other than hearsay.

Quote:

This is in the Quran 50: 22

Quote:

لَقَدْ كُنتَ فِي غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ هَذَا فَكَشَفْنَا عَنكَ غِطَاءكَ فَبَصَرُكَ الْيَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ
The explanation:
([It will be said] "You were heedless of this* . Now have We removed your veil** from you, and sharp is your sight this day.")
It means: he will be sharp-sighted or keen-sighted, so that, in the life of the World, he could only see material things; while after his death, he will become able to see both material and ethereal objects; he will become able to see souls, genies, angels and other ethereal creatures; he will be able to hear them if they talk to him, and hear him if he speaks to them.
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Whatever. I see no validity in this book of fantasy nor in the interpretations of the book.

eanassir

#253

Aug 8th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Whatever. I see no validity in this book of fantasy nor in the interpretations of the book.

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; it is a valuable book revealed from God Most Gracious to save man from the darkness of ignorance, idolatry and the association with God to the light of monotheism, justice and working every good work and seeking every virtue.

This Quran taught man to recognize God and to glorify Him, rather than glorifying a stone that neither profits nor harms anyone.

It forbids the transgression on people and the plundering of their property and the violation of their rights.

The Quran invites all people to be peaceable with each other and to serve God alone to Whom they are His servants, but not servants to any king or idol or angels or prophets.

They should respect each other, and honor the woman and not to transgress on her rights, as should they not transgress on each other.

And no distinction between them: all of them are created by God, and among them, the most honored before God is the most godfearing.

This is in the Quran 49: 13

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

The explanation:
(O mankind, We have created you male and female, and made you nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.)

It means: All of you are equal in lineage: your father is Adam and your mother is Eve, so none of you may boast to others according to lineage. And he made you nations which are subdivided into tribes …etc; in order to know each other. But the most honored among you before God is the one who avoids the disobedience of God and wards off the sins; but not the rich or the black or white.

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eanassir

#254

Aug 8th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

This is only alleged. There's still no supporting evidence other than hearsay.

All of us love science because it is useful and essential for man, and we desire that the science advances for the advantage of mankind.

Concerning the religion; it is divided into two kinds:

The religion of the association with God (and atheism): that most people are now following.
The religion of pure monotheism: this is the original religion of God; this is the First Commandment about which Jesus said it is the most important of all the commandments that God wrote for Moses; this Commandments that God is One without associate or equal, is the central axis of all the heavenly religions and of all the apostles teachings.

This religion of monotheism, to which all these heavenly religions: Jews, Christians and Muslims claim they are holding.
In fact, practically all of these religious sects work contrary to this First Commandment: that God is One without associate or equal or patron.

The First Commandment ( -- ) implies that man should:
>> Ask his needs from God alone, and prays to God only; if he supplicates his needs from Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Ali or anyone of the saints – then he will associate these with God.

>> Trust in God alone; if he trusts in any of the prophets, imams or saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Seek the help of God alone, when standing up, sitting down and lying down for sleep and in all his affairs; if he seek the help of such prophets and saints – then he will associate these with God.

>> Expends alms and do all the righteous work for God's sake only; if he expends such alms for those other than God Almighty – then he will associate these with God.

>> Similarly he should swear by God's name alone, as should he vow to Him alone, and mention God's name with glorification always day and night; but if he mentions the names of others like Jesus, Ali and all others – then he associate these with God.

In practice, most people including Muslims; most of them work contrary to this First Commandment, and are infact associaters: they associate their prophets, Jesus, saints, imams with God.

An example of the association with God that all these three major religious sects: Jews, Christians and Muslims are practicing, is the Patron Saints (there are also patron imams and sheikhs and others) whom they sanctify and think he protects, heals and provide for them …etc, which is the function of God Almighty.
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(and there are similar Patron imams and sheikhs and others)

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L Gilbert

#255

Aug 9th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; it is a valuable book revealed from God Most Gracious to save man from the darkness of ignorance, idolatry and the association with God to the light of monotheism, justice and working every good work and seeking every virtue.

Uhuh. And no-one has shown me that this god isn't fantasy yet. Basically what I hear you saying is that the Koran is a book of fact about a being of fantasy.

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This Quran taught man to recognize God and to glorify Him, rather than glorifying a stone that neither profits nor harms anyone.

I don't glorify either. But I can sense stones.

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It forbids the transgression on people and the plundering of their property and the violation of their rights.

No-one has to forbid me to do those things. I have a brain and I think. Therefore I think that doing those things isn't what I want to do.

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The Quran invites all people to be peaceable with each other and to serve God alone to Whom they are His servants, but not servants to any king or idol or angels or prophets.

I don't serve anyone anything unless I cooked it.

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They should respect each other, and honor the woman and not to transgress on her rights, as should they not transgress on each other.

I do, but I don't need a book to tell me that.

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And no distinction between them: all of them are created by God, and among them, the most honored before God is the most godfearing.

I don't fear fantasies.

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This is in the Quran 49: 13

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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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Big deal.

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The explanation:

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(O mankind, We have created you male and female, and made you nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing, All-aware.)

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It means: All of you are equal in lineage: your father is Adam and your mother is Eve, so none of you may boast to others according to lineage. And he made you nations which are subdivided into tribes …etc; in order to know each other. But the most honored among you before God is the one who avoids the disobedience of God and wards off the sins; but not the rich or the black or white.

I consider myself quite honorable, too. Still don't need a book to tell me that I am honorable.

L Gilbert

#256

Aug 9th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

All of us love science because it is useful and essential for man, and we desire that the science advances for the advantage of mankind.

Concerning the religion; it is divided into two kinds:
The religion of the association with God (and atheism): that most people are now following.

The religion of pure monotheism: this is the original religion of God; this is the First Commandment about which Jesus said it is the most important of all the commandments that God wrote for Moses; this Commandments that God is One without associate or equal, is the central axis of all the heavenly religions and of all the apostles teachings.

"Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." - Don Hirschberg

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This religion of monotheism, to which all these heavenly religions: Jews, Christians and Muslims claim they are holding.

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In fact, practically all of these religious sects work contrary to this First Commandment: that God is One without associate or equal or patron.

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The First Commandment ( http://universeandquran.site.io/#First_Commandment ) implies that man should:
>> Ask his needs from God alone, and prays to God only; if he supplicates his needs from Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Ali or anyone of the saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Trust in God alone; if he trusts in any of the prophets, imams or saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Seek the help of God alone, when standing up, sitting down and lying down for sleep and in all his affairs; if he seek the help of such prophets and saints – then he will associate these with God.
>> Expends alms and do all the righteous work for God's sake only; if he expends such alms for those other than God Almighty – then he will associate these with...
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So? You don't even glorify imams, saints, etc. You glorify a book. Isn't that in violation of the second commandment?

typingrandomstuff

#257

Aug 10th, 2008

Everything is back to normal.

MissAnnika

#258

Aug 13th, 2008

seasons don't fear the reaper
nor do the wind, or the sun, or the rain
we could be like they are
come on baby
don't fear the reaper

katnut

#259

Sep 11th, 2008

I -- for 5 years now.
Before I studied many different traditions and practices.
And there are many different kabbalah schools around the world.
Personally I found answers to my questions from Rav Michael Laitman.

Here is his answer to a question about life after death and its meaning:
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There are also interesting links in Related Materials at the bottom of the page

Unforgiven

#260

Sep 11th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by katnut

I -- for 5 years now.
Before I studied many different traditions and practices.
And there are many different kabbalah schools around the world.
Personally I found answers to my questions from Rav Michael Laitman.

Here is his answer to a question about life after death and its meaning:
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There are also interesting links in Related Materials at the bottom of the page

Interesting, so killing someone isn't really a criminal matter but rather something that should be negotiated with the person's soul for damages in civil court.

Not sure how that defence will fly but I would love to see it tried.

ahmadabdalrhman

#261

Sep 14th, 2008

WHAT IS ISLAM?

Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no state can survive without a leader of some kind. We also realize that nothing comes into being on its own. Moreover, we observe that the universe exists and functions in the most orderly manner, and that it has survived for hundreds of thousand of years. Can we then say that all this is accidental and haphazard? Can we attribute the existence of man and the whole world to mere chance.

Man represents only a very small portion of the great universe. And if he can make plans and appreciate the merits of planning, then his own existence and the survival of the universe must also be a planned policy. This means that there is an extraordinary power to bring things into being and keep them moving in order.

In the world then must be a great force in action to keep everything in order. In the beautiful nature there must be a Great creator who creates the most charming pieces of art produces every thing for a special purpose in life. The deeply enlightened people recognize this creator and call him Allah "God". He is not a man because no man can create or make another man. He is not an animal, nor he is a plant. He is neither an Idol nor is He a statue of any kind because non of these things can make itself or create anything else. He is different from all these things because he is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than things which he makes.

There are various ways to know God "ALLAH'' and there are many things to tell about him. The great wonders and impressive marvels of the world are like open books in which we can read about God. Besides, God Himself comes to our aid through the many Messengers and revelations He has sent down to man. These Messengers and revelations tell us everything we need to know about God.

The complete acceptance of the teachings and guidance of God 'Allah' as revealed to His Messengers Muhammad is the religion of Islam. Islam enjoins faith in the oneness and sovereignty of Allah, which makes man aware of meaningfulness of the Universe and of his place in it. This belief frees him from all fears and superstitions by making him conscious of the presence of the Almighty Allah and of man's obligations towards Him. This faith must be expressed and tested in actions, faith alone is not enough. Belief in one God requires that we look upon all humanity as one family under the universal Omnipotence of God the Creator and Nourisher of all. Islam rejects the idea of chosen people, making belief in God and good actions the only way to heaven. Thus, a direct relationship in established with God, without any intercessor.

Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all Prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, David, Moses and Jesus (PBUT). But the message which was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUT) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form.

The Quran is the last revealed word of Allah and the basic source of Islamic teachings and laws. The Quran deals with the basis of creeds, morality, history of humanity, worship, knowledge, wisdom, God-man relationship, and human relationship in all aspects. Comprehensive teaching on which, can be built sound systems of social justice, economics, politics, legislation, jurisprudence, law and international relations, are important contents of the Quran. Hadith, the teachings, sayings and actions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUT), meticulously reported and collected by his devoted companions. Explained and elaborated the Quranic verses.

THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH IN ISLAM

The true faithful Muslim believes in the following Principal articles of faith:-
He believes in One God 'Allah', Supreme and Eternal, Infinite and Mighty, Merciful and Compassionate, Creator and Provider.

He believes in all Messengers of God without any discrimination among them. Every known nation had a warner or Messenger from God. They were chosen by God to teach mankind and deliver His divine message. The Quran mentions the name of twenty five of them. Among them Mohammad stands as the last Messenger and the crowning glory of the foundation of Prophethood.

Muslin believes in all scriptures and revelations of God. They were the guiding light which the Messengers received to show their respected peoples the Right Path of God. In the Quran a special reference is made to the books of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. But long before the revelations has been lost or corrupted. The only authentic and complete book of God in existence in the Quran.

The true Muslim believes in the Angels of Allah. They are purely spiritual and splendid beings whose nature requires on food, drink or sleep. They spend their days and nights in the worship of God.

Muslim believes in the last Day of Judgement. This world will come to an end someday, and the dead will rise to stand for their final and fair trial. People with good records will be generously, rewarded and warmly welcomed to the Heaven of Allah, and those with bad records will be punished and cast into Hell.

Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of God and His power to plan and execute His planes and nothing could happen in His Kingdom against His will. His knowledge and power are in action at all times and command over His creation. He is wise and merciful, and whatever He does must have a meaningful purpose. If this is established in our mind and hearts, we should accept with good faith all that He does, although we may fail to under stand it fully, or think it is bad.

THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM

Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end, as far as Islam is concerned. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly loses its liveliness and motivation power.
There are five pillars of Islam:

The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His Messenger to all human beings till the Day of Judgment. The Prophethood of Mohammad obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary life as a model.

Prayers: Daily, prayers are offered five times a day as a duty towards Allah. They strengthen and enliven the belief in Allah and inspire man to a higher morality. They purify the heart and prevent temptation towards wrong - doings and evil.

Fasting the month of Ramadan. The Muslims during the month of Ramadan not only abstain from food, drink and sexual intercourse from dawn to sunset but also sincerity and devotion. It develops a sound social conscience, patience, unselfishness and will - Power.

Zakkah: The literal and simple meaning of Zakkah is purity. The technical meaning of this word designates the annual amount in kind or coin which a Muslim with means must distribute among the rightful beneficiaries. But the religious and spiritual significance of Zakkah is much deeper and more lively. So it has humanitarian and sociopolitical values.

Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah): It is to be performed once in a lifetime, if one can afford it financially and physically.

darkbeaver

#262

Sep 14th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by MissAnnika

seasons don't fear the reaper
nor do the wind, or the sun, or the rain
we could be like they are
come on baby
don't fear the reaper

Are you a Blue Oyster Cult member?

eanassir

#263

Sep 14th, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

So? You don't even glorify imams, saints, etc. You glorify a book. Isn't that in violation of the second commandment?

Glorifying the Book of God (: the Quran) is a glorification of God Himself, as is glorifying His House and His rites also some sort of glorifying God.

While glorifying the graves of saints and imams is something else than glorifying the House of God (: the mosque);
the mosque is the house of God worshipping, while the shrine is the grave of the servant, the sanctification of which will be a sort of sharing the imams and saints with God.

talloola

#264

Sep 14th, 2008

Just dropped in for a moment, it is Sunday, and I was curious to know what it feels like
to be in church again, well, that's it, same ole same ole, I'm ouda here, have a nice day.

L Gilbert

#265

Sep 22nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Glorifying the Book of God (: the Quran) is a glorification of God Himself, as is glorifying His House and His rites also some sort of glorifying God.

While glorifying the graves of saints and imams is something else than glorifying the House of God (: the mosque);
the mosque is the house of God worshipping, while the shrine is the grave of the servant, the sanctification of which will be a sort of sharing the imams and saints with God.

Well, you go ahead and glorify something that is born of the imagination. I will continue to see things in a more rational and realistic light.

eanassir

#266

Sep 22nd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

Well, you go ahead and glorify something that is born of the imagination. I will continue to see things in a more rational and realistic light.

This is only your asserting of some words that are the falsehood.

It is according to the Quran 18: 56

وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا

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(But those who disbelieve do only dispute with falsehood to disprove the truth, and they took – My signs [of revelation] and what they are warned of – as a jest.)

Hawkins

#267

Oct 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by quandary121

Does it really exist or not? "To be or not to be, that is the question.

I died and came back. Actually, the question above is for everyone to answer. That's one of the main purpose of this planet earth. We have a choice to make, we have a question to answere, which is a religious question demanding a religious answer. Science is futile about this. So it's all of a religious question that everyone will have to face, and will have to answer religiously. That's the deal.

We are bound by our living backgroud, which is a 3-D spatial environment. Quantum physics and especially String theory give some hints about the multiple-dimensional space concept. While the first sentence of the Bible said, "...God created heavens and earth...".

So from my reasoning, body, soul and spirit can well be a combination of substances from various dimensional spaces, with each as a part-taker responsible for our behaviours in our 3-D realm. So can one still think without the spirit and soul? No, he can't. In such a multiple dimensional environment, death could mean that the part-taker body will remain in our 3D realm. Spirit/soul will remain in another space named Hades.

With the assumption that we are made by our Creator, soul may thus be so created that it can carry our senses and consciouness, it can work without the body in our realm. It is a living soul when combined with the body. Resurrection simply means a re-combination of the parts or part-takers.

Though this is a religious assumption (based on my own experience), I don't think that anyone can refute it or rule out its possibility scientifically.

To give you a little bit more information acquired from my experience, I saw my own spirit which is in a shape of a flying dove (when viewed from a short distance, it must be). And I suspect that I experience what telepathy could mean;

Telepathy requires another spatial dimension outside our 3D realm to work at all. When our soul leaves abit away from our body, you can hear other souls/spirits talking. To leave further away from the body, you can perceive the existence of another space (Hades).

Normally, you will hear chatting in much lower voices, which means that the chatting doesn't concern you. On the other hand, if you hear a much louder voice, you will know automatically that someone is trying to talk to you. The strange thing is, it is always in your first language. It is always in your first language and in the form of voice - voice which is carried out by air-vibration in our realm.

That's my speculation during my death, you may call it delusion all you want. My experience is not just an NDE, but rather a death experience followed by a supernatural experience continuing after my coming back, it last for around 45 minutes under the witness of 4 doctors and other nurses.

MissAnnika

#268

Oct 3rd, 2008

not sure, but i sure had fun making an interesting story about if (a fiction sci fi of course)

Vanni Fucci

#269

Oct 3rd, 2008

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I died and came back.

Did you then...

How exactly did you die?

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Actually, the question above is for everyone to answer. That's one of the main purpose of this planet earth.

I disagree...

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We have a choice to make, we have a question to answere, which is a religious question demanding a religious answer. Science is futile about this. So it's all of a religious question that everyone will have to face, and will have to answer religiously. That's the deal.

Anybody can answer the questions, but only those able to show by example and logic that their answers are true will be taken seriously...

Which brings us to...

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That's my speculation during my death, you may call it delusion all you want. My experience is not just an NDE, but rather a death experience followed by a supernatural experience continuing after my coming back, it last for around 45 minutes under the witness of 4 doctors and other nurses.

A delusion is probably close to the mark...

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At warmer temperatures, normal recovery can occur if oxygen is deprived for less than five to seven minutes. But when a person is deprived of oxygen for 12 to 14 minutes, it almost always results in brain damage or death.

Hawkins

#270

Oct 3rd, 2008

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

When man dies, it is not of his own will; all people do not want to die.

It seems that you misunderstood the point. Death itself is a rather a destined process, where you will feel what I said.

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