Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 4,103 
May 9th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Gezus when thickness becomes the standard..............
Try to follow along here Karrie....
People...."humanity" recognize that a situation or condition that exists that disenfranchises and alienates some segment of the population...people (humanity) cluster around these issues and bring voice to the condition...and very frequently resolve is attained. It hardly matters where you look across the panorama of human existence, when an awareness of injustice and oppression is hammered into the consciousness of people change can and often does occur. It's only through communicating and discussing, arguing and debating issues and concerns that change is entertained! Rarely is it a product of mass movement....although there have been occaisions when this has happened, but it's far more common to see a few people raise their voices in pursuit of change and re-visiting of some percieved injustice or oppression that motivates people to change!
We could substitute "belief" for logic and common sense...and then we end up with religious intolerance and war based on dogma and doctrine....or we could accept that compromise on some issues is preffered to violence and mayhem. We could substitute the will and might of the political and military to establish the climate of a nation or we could examine the history of humankind and accept that more often than not, surrendering altruism and principle to the machinations of politics and military action....have resulted in far more death and destruction than any long-lasting peace these events have created.
We don't live in the Pollyana "Everything will be OK" world that apathy and complacency inspire. We live in a world where injustice and corruption are strangling the potential of every human being to exercise their humanity! We've surrendered to the "ME FIRST" mentality of the capitalist and greedy....We've learned intolerance before tolerance and blindly consume everything around us until faced with the reality that we are all living on a tiny lifeboat hurtling through space....and our interrelatedness isn't the interrelatedness of some particular philosophy or dogma or "spiritual enlightenment" but the rock and stone of necessity!
I'm sorry if my criticisms arouse your defense mechanisms and your eager to believe that everything will work out just fine..... THEY WON'T!
We've seen what a radical religious faith will do to nations and we've watched as rampant ideologies transformed nations into fighting units..... Before we can begin to understand how these things came about we have to get a grip on why they're part of our worldview.
When we accept that a gal at a Tim Horton's is justly fired for giving a child a nugget of deep fried flour....we surrender our capacity to implement common sense and tolerance into the larger equations that we're faced with every day. When we "accept" that a religion that would have us all believe that we're innately predisposed to sinful behavior...while hiding their priests who've committed crimes...we permit the door to be held open for greater mischief....the "slippery slope" if you prefer. When we don't call for accountability from our governments and our social institutions we're tacitly encouraging the attitude that we're willing to accept far more injustice and intolerance from them....
It's only PEOPLE who can do this Karrie...its only PEOPLE who can internalize the component understandings of any dynamic and its only PEOPLE who can choose to opt for change!
You have it all completely backward my friend! As perhaps the most vocal critic of many social institutions and frameworks here at Canadian Content, my message is in fact the most idealistic and the most hopeful! I put my faith and my belief in the essential goodness of mankind above nearly every "social" construct that's around because I believe that given the information and a perspective on choice and some understanding of the issues that humankind is more than capable of making good decisions and working toward changing for the betterment of every other human being.
Gezus when thickness becomes the standard..............
Try to follow along here Karrie....
People...."humanity" recognize that a situation or condition that exists that disenfranchises and alienates some segment of the population...people (humanity) cluster around these issues and bring voice to the condition...and very frequently resolve is attained. It hardly matters where you look across the panorama of human existence, when an awareness of injustice and oppression is hammered into the consciousness of people change can and often does occur. It's only through communicating and discussing, arguing and debating issues and concerns that change is entertained! Rarely is it a product of mass movement....although there have been occaisions when this has happened, but it's far more common to see a few people raise their voices in pursuit of change and re-visiting of some percieved injustice or oppression that motivates people to change!
We could substitute "belief" for logic and common sense...and then we end up with religious intolerance and war based on dogma and doctrine....or we could accept that compromise on some issues is preffered to violence and mayhem. We could substitute the will and might of the political and military to establish the climate of a nation or we could examine the history of humankind and accept that more often than not, surrendering altruism and principle to the machinations of politics and military action....have resulted in far more death and destruction than any long-lasting peace these events have created.
We don't live in the Pollyana "Everything will be OK" world that apathy and complacency inspire. We live in a world where injustice and corruption are strangling the potential of every human being to exercise their humanity! We've surrendered to the "ME FIRST" mentality of the capitalist and greedy....We've learned intolerance before tolerance and blindly consume everything around us until faced with the reality that we are all living on a tiny lifeboat hurtling through space....and our interrelatedness isn't the interrelatedness of some particular philosophy or dogma or "spiritual enlightenment" but the rock and stone of necessity!
I'm sorry if my criticisms arouse your defense mechanisms and your eager to believe that everything will work out just fine..... THEY WON'T!
We've seen what a radical religious faith will do to nations and we've watched as rampant ideologies transformed nations into fighting units..... Before we can begin to understand how these things came about we have to get a grip on why they're part of our worldview.
When we accept that a gal at a Tim Horton's is justly fired for giving a child a nugget of deep fried flour....we surrender our capacity to implement common sense and tolerance into the larger equations that we're faced with every day. When we "accept" that a religion that would have us all believe that we're innately predisposed to sinful behavior...while hiding their priests who've committed crimes...we permit the door to be held open for greater mischief....the "slippery slope" if you prefer. When we don't call for accountability from our governments and our social institutions we're tacitly encouraging the attitude that we're willing to accept far more injustice and intolerance from them....
It's only PEOPLE who can do this Karrie...its only PEOPLE who can internalize the component understandings of any dynamic and its only PEOPLE who can choose to opt for change!
You have it all completely backward my friend! As perhaps the most vocal critic of many social institutions and frameworks here at Canadian Content, my message is in fact the most idealistic and the most hopeful! I put my faith and my belief in the essential goodness of mankind above nearly every "social" construct that's around because I believe that given the information and a perspective on choice and some understanding of the issues that humankind is more than capable of making good decisions and working toward changing for the betterment of every other human being.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,925
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
Location: Backwater, Ontario.
May 9th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Yepper; second that nice to see ya, Curio. You been missed.
Welcome, like, home, eh.
Gettin back to the tread, now, folks is gettin far to whiney and complainey and pissed offy.
If they all could be like me.........seeing the good side.........loving one's neighbour........
hugging and kissing everyone........ramping up the good karma...........believing in our politicians.........everything they say is true, and we are a bunch of lowly plebes.......yes yes yes.......Oh my. When will the truth shine through??
I never liked Kirk Douglas, and his freakin son even less. Too bad he hit that tooth.
love love love
Where are you Johnny Lemon, when we need ya.
Smile, the boss loves idiots.
(says here we shouldn't bitch and chew. Buy a gun and do some bloodletting. Well now, not a ""bad"" idea. Wonder if anyone's triedit)
Quoting jimmoyer
It's nice to see you back here, Curiosity.
I'm sorry the other forum shuttered its doors. A bar recently closed here in town where our amistad would meet and debate, and now we all float around like molecules bumping into each other occassionally on a corner. We call ourselves the Diaspora.
Every once in awhile we coagulate at some lesser bar. We haven't found a home yet.
Anyway, your instincts and experience on these subjects are right on the mark.
I'm sorry the other forum shuttered its doors. A bar recently closed here in town where our amistad would meet and debate, and now we all float around like molecules bumping into each other occassionally on a corner. We call ourselves the Diaspora.
Every once in awhile we coagulate at some lesser bar. We haven't found a home yet.
Anyway, your instincts and experience on these subjects are right on the mark.
Yepper; second that nice to see ya, Curio. You been missed.
Welcome, like, home, eh.Gettin back to the tread, now, folks is gettin far to whiney and complainey and pissed offy.
If they all could be like me.........seeing the good side.........loving one's neighbour........
hugging and kissing everyone........ramping up the good karma...........believing in our politicians.........everything they say is true, and we are a bunch of lowly plebes.......yes yes yes.......Oh my. When will the truth shine through??
I never liked Kirk Douglas, and his freakin son even less. Too bad he hit that tooth.
love love love
Where are you Johnny Lemon, when we need ya.
Smile, the boss loves idiots.
(says here we shouldn't bitch and chew. Buy a gun and do some bloodletting. Well now, not a ""bad"" idea. Wonder if anyone's triedit) 
May 9th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
No thanks. It looks like a well thought out post, but you lost any attention I had for reading it with your choice of opening lines.
Gezus when thickness becomes the standard..............
Try to follow along here Karrie....
Try to follow along here Karrie....
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,742
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
May 9th, 2008, 11:41 AM
I'm sorry if my criticisms arouse your defense mechanisms and your eager to believe that everything will work out just fine..... THEY WON'T!
---------------------------------------------------------------------MikeyDB--------------------------
Medium is the message.
Tone is what we hear, not the subject matter.
If somebody is chastising you, you start to shut down.
So what's an other way to solve what you are angry about ?
I'm not sure.
All I know is that a story is more powerful than an essay.
Comedy is King.
Mute actions with no words catch our attention.
Standing still in a forest makes you invisible, you're just another still standing tree, but move and act, you come alive and visible and noticed by all the eyes.
I'm sorry if my criticisms arouse your defense mechanisms and your eager to believe that everything will work out just fine..... THEY WON'T!
---------------------------------------------------------------------MikeyDB--------------------------
Medium is the message.
Tone is what we hear, not the subject matter.
If somebody is chastising you, you start to shut down.
So what's an other way to solve what you are angry about ?
I'm not sure.
All I know is that a story is more powerful than an essay.
Comedy is King.
Mute actions with no words catch our attention.
Standing still in a forest makes you invisible, you're just another still standing tree, but move and act, you come alive and visible and noticed by all the eyes.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,742
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
May 9th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Here's a story:
And this story is a good one:
http://www.winchesterstar.com/articl...ArticleID=6587
Here's a story:
And this story is a good one:
http://www.winchesterstar.com/articl...ArticleID=6587
