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March 14th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Essential points:
About Jesus:
Jesus was an angel in heaven, in the neighborhood of God –be glorified; he was surnamed "The Word of God".
He belongs to some kind of angels called the "Rouah", to which Gabriel also belongs. Gabriel is called the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
Jesus learnt the Hebrew and Aramaic in heaven, and learnt also the Torah and the Gospel.
Therefore, when he was born, he could speak to people in order to defend his mother and prove her chastity and honesty, and then he became silent once again, like other children.
This is in the Quran 4: 171
Who is Jesus Christ, and what is peculiar about him?
Essential points:
- The material body is a mould for forming the spiritual soul; the soul cannot be formed unless inside a material body.
All souls have essentially been formed inside the material bodies. They were alive then died, the bodies decayed and the souls endured.
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- Angels were human beings that inhabited the past planets of the past solar systems that were destroyed in the previous Doomsdays.
Those people (of the past planets) died and the Doomsday occurred, then the Judgment followed: and the righteous monotheists were admitted to Paradise. Then God clothed them with ethereal skins and they became the angels.
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- Man cannot have more than one father by lineage, but he may have more than one mother; because the womb of the mother is only a vessel to bear the fetus.
About Jesus:
Jesus was an angel in heaven, in the neighborhood of God –be glorified; he was surnamed "The Word of God".
He belongs to some kind of angels called the "Rouah", to which Gabriel also belongs. Gabriel is called the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
Jesus learnt the Hebrew and Aramaic in heaven, and learnt also the Torah and the Gospel.
Therefore, when he was born, he could speak to people in order to defend his mother and prove her chastity and honesty, and then he became silent once again, like other children.
This is in the Quran 4: 171
يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ ثَلاَثَةٌ انتَهُواْ خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللّهُ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ وَكِيلاً
The explanation: (O people of the Bible [lit. Scripture] do not exaggerate in your religion nor say aught concerning God save the truth.
The Messiah Jesus the son of Mary was but a "messenger" of God [many messengers or apostles passed away before him], and His "word" that He cast to Mary, and a "spirit" [coming] from His [neighborhood].
So believe in God and [all] His messengers.
Say not "Trinity"; desist [from such words] it will be better for you; for God is One God; Far Exalted is He above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. God suffices for a One Who registers their works.)
The story:
When God Almighty willed to create the fetus in the womb of Virgin Mary, He sent Gabriel to her; she was prepared to have a bath, and isolated herself for this purpose, when, behold, she saw a man standing near her;
she was afraid, asked God's protection from him, and told him to leave; but he said: "I am the apostle from your Lord to give you the glad tidings of bearing a boy who is called Jesus Christ, without any father, in spite of that you are a virgin, to be a miracle from God Most Gracious."
Gabriel, then, blew on the ground, and some of the dust entered in her womb, which fertilized her, and she became pregnant [in such miraculous way].
Then when the fetus grew, God commanded Jesus to enter the body of the fetus that was created in the womb of Virgin Mary.
When she delivered Jesus, she was afraid lest her people should accuse her with adultery, but the Christ – and he was newly born – spoke and said to them: "I am a servant of God Who taught me the Book [: the Torah and the Gospel], and assigned me as a prophet."
[Deduction:]
Jesus was an angel; he had lived, in the past, on one of the planets that were later on destroyed in one of the previous Doomsdays. He was righteous, and might have been a prophet there.
He lived there and had a father and a mother, and his father was righteous. After their death, and following that previous Doomsday, they were admitted to Paradise in the neighborhood of God.
This may also explain why he did not marry; because his lineage is there in heaven, where his father, his wife and his sons. While if he marry here, then who will be the grandfather of his sons? He only had a task, of reformation and purification, which he performed and went his way, and will come again to fulfill his duty. Moreover, he did not like to be detracted from his duty, by having any son, in case he would have married.
I say this with no enthusiasm about Jesus Christ, although I love Jesus and all the prophets: Jesus was a human being, eating, drinking and passing bowel motion and urine; he lived and died at his appointment of death; and was an apostle like all other apostles; he was neither god nor son of god, but was only the son of man and the son of Mary.
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The Messiah Jesus the son of Mary was but a "messenger" of God [many messengers or apostles passed away before him], and His "word" that He cast to Mary, and a "spirit" [coming] from His [neighborhood].
So believe in God and [all] His messengers.
Say not "Trinity"; desist [from such words] it will be better for you; for God is One God; Far Exalted is He above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. God suffices for a One Who registers their works.)
The story:
When God Almighty willed to create the fetus in the womb of Virgin Mary, He sent Gabriel to her; she was prepared to have a bath, and isolated herself for this purpose, when, behold, she saw a man standing near her;
she was afraid, asked God's protection from him, and told him to leave; but he said: "I am the apostle from your Lord to give you the glad tidings of bearing a boy who is called Jesus Christ, without any father, in spite of that you are a virgin, to be a miracle from God Most Gracious."
Gabriel, then, blew on the ground, and some of the dust entered in her womb, which fertilized her, and she became pregnant [in such miraculous way].
Then when the fetus grew, God commanded Jesus to enter the body of the fetus that was created in the womb of Virgin Mary.
When she delivered Jesus, she was afraid lest her people should accuse her with adultery, but the Christ – and he was newly born – spoke and said to them: "I am a servant of God Who taught me the Book [: the Torah and the Gospel], and assigned me as a prophet."
[Deduction:]
Jesus was an angel; he had lived, in the past, on one of the planets that were later on destroyed in one of the previous Doomsdays. He was righteous, and might have been a prophet there.
He lived there and had a father and a mother, and his father was righteous. After their death, and following that previous Doomsday, they were admitted to Paradise in the neighborhood of God.
This may also explain why he did not marry; because his lineage is there in heaven, where his father, his wife and his sons. While if he marry here, then who will be the grandfather of his sons? He only had a task, of reformation and purification, which he performed and went his way, and will come again to fulfill his duty. Moreover, he did not like to be detracted from his duty, by having any son, in case he would have married.
I say this with no enthusiasm about Jesus Christ, although I love Jesus and all the prophets: Jesus was a human being, eating, drinking and passing bowel motion and urine; he lived and died at his appointment of death; and was an apostle like all other apostles; he was neither god nor son of god, but was only the son of man and the son of Mary.
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March 14th, 2008, 01:17 PM
Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...
Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...
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March 14th, 2008, 01:17 PM
wow, time for me to edit the new testament again. I think it might come out reading like a scientology pamphlet though.
wow, time for me to edit the new testament again. I think it might come out reading like a scientology pamphlet though.
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March 14th, 2008, 01:18 PM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
damn, beat me to it by a second.
Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...
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March 15th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...
The case of Jesus Christ was exceptional; he was miraculously created by God Almighty.
If you mean the "reincarnation", it is not true: there is neither such "reincarnation" nor any "transmigration of souls".
There is no revival of dead bodies and formation of souls better than the first souls
There is no transmigration of souls
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If you mean the "reincarnation", it is not true: there is neither such "reincarnation" nor any "transmigration of souls".
There is no revival of dead bodies and formation of souls better than the first souls
There is no transmigration of souls
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March 15th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Quoting MHz
That's quite true, one kick at the can is all anybody gets. Since most lives contain a fair amount of pain and suffering that is a blessing indeed.
The next life is inevitable; the next world is true. But the material beings are usually unaware of the next world of souls; although it is concomitant with this World.
This is in the Quran 27: 66
This is in the Quran 27: 66
بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا بَلْ هُم مِّنْهَا عَمِونَ
The explanation: (But [actually] their knowledge attains [to their fathers' knowledge of] the Hereafter: being only denial; moreover they are in doubt concerning it; even they are blind as to it.)
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March 15th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Quoting DurkaDurka
wow, time for me to edit the new testament again. I think it might come out reading like a scientology pamphlet though.
The Gospel of the New Testament includes many parables.
The Torah [most of it is in the Old Testament] includes the laws and the stories.
The Quran includes parables, laws, stories, telling about nature and the universe, extensive description of the next world, the Judgment, Paradise and Hell, in details more than the previous heavenly books.
The Quran includes the story of the birth of Mary, which even is not mentioned in the Gospel; in spite of that she is the mother of their prophet.
Moreover, it is more concise than the previous heavenly books, and includes many other disciplines.
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The Torah [most of it is in the Old Testament] includes the laws and the stories.
The Quran includes parables, laws, stories, telling about nature and the universe, extensive description of the next world, the Judgment, Paradise and Hell, in details more than the previous heavenly books.
The Quran includes the story of the birth of Mary, which even is not mentioned in the Gospel; in spite of that she is the mother of their prophet.
Moreover, it is more concise than the previous heavenly books, and includes many other disciplines.
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March 15th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Quoting mrgrumpy
you certainly have a strange way of posting,,,are you on some kind of prohibited drugs?
This is in the Quran 38: 3
كَمْ أَهْلَكْنَا مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّن قَرْنٍ فَنَادَوْا وَلَاتَ حِينَ مَنَاصٍ
The explanation: (And how many a generation before them We destroyed; when they cried [to each other: Run away], but [the angel said:] No time for escaping.)
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March 18th, 2008, 01:22 AM
The explanation: ([Remember] when the wife of Imran* said, "Lord! I have vowed to You what is within my womb, to be dedicated to You [: to be a servant in the House of God], so accept [this] from me. Surely, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
When she was delivered, she said: "My Lord! I am delivered of a female"–– God knew very well what she was delivered of –– "; a male is not like a female; I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her progeny to Your protection from Satan, the 'rejected and cursed'."
Right graciously did her Lord received the [child] with gracious favor: He made her grow a goodly growth: He assigned her to Zachariah** to take charge of her: Every time that Zachariah entered into her prayer chamber, he found her having a provision. He said: "O Mary! How [comes] this to you?" She said: "From God: for God offers provision to whom He pleases, without stint.")
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Quoting MHz
The NT only has Mary's qualification as being a daughter of Aaron as being central to Jesus's right to be High Priest to all going back to Adam. It is her heritage that is covered in the Gospel of Luke.
The birth of Mary, mother of the Christ, is unknown to Christians:
The story of Mary mother of the Christ, and her birth, and her childhood and the assigning of Prophet Zachariah to be her guardian, is mentioned in the Quran which is not even mentioned in the Gospel; which is a miracle of the Glorious Quran; because they claim that Mohammed compiled the Quran according to the Torah and the Gospel; while this story is not present in the Gospel.
This is in the Quran 3: 35 - 37
The story of Mary mother of the Christ, and her birth, and her childhood and the assigning of Prophet Zachariah to be her guardian, is mentioned in the Quran which is not even mentioned in the Gospel; which is a miracle of the Glorious Quran; because they claim that Mohammed compiled the Quran according to the Torah and the Gospel; while this story is not present in the Gospel.
This is in the Quran 3: 35 - 37
إِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَأَةُ عِمْرَانَ رَبِّ إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِي بَطْنِي مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّي إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ . فَلَمَّا وَضَعَتْهَا قَالَتْ رَبِّ إِنِّي وَضَعْتُهَا أُنثَى وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا وَضَعَتْ وَلَيْسَ الذَّكَرُ كَالأُنثَى وَإِنِّي سَمَّيْتُهَا مَرْيَمَ وِإِنِّي أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ .
فَتَقَبَّلَهَا رَبُّهَا بِقَبُولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَهَا نَبَاتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَهَا زَكَرِيَّا كُلَّمَا دَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا زَكَرِيَّا الْمِحْرَابَ وَجَدَ عِندَهَا رِزْقاً قَالَ يَا مَرْيَمُ أَنَّى لَكِ هَذَا قَالَتْ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ إنَّ اللّهَ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاء بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ
The explanation: ([Remember] when the wife of Imran* said, "Lord! I have vowed to You what is within my womb, to be dedicated to You [: to be a servant in the House of God], so accept [this] from me. Surely, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
When she was delivered, she said: "My Lord! I am delivered of a female"–– God knew very well what she was delivered of –– "; a male is not like a female; I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her progeny to Your protection from Satan, the 'rejected and cursed'."
Right graciously did her Lord received the [child] with gracious favor: He made her grow a goodly growth: He assigned her to Zachariah** to take charge of her: Every time that Zachariah entered into her prayer chamber, he found her having a provision. He said: "O Mary! How [comes] this to you?" She said: "From God: for God offers provision to whom He pleases, without stint.")
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- *The mother of Mary: Ann, the grandmother of Jesus.
- **Prophet Zachariah was the husband of Elizabeth, aunt of Mary (the sister of Ann her mother.) Zachariah was the father of John the Baptist. Zachariah built for Mary a prayer chamber, in the House of God, with a door the keys of which were with him only; he took care of her. This is in the Quran 3: 44
ذَلِكَ مِنْ أَنبَاء الْغَيْبِ نُوحِيهِ إِلَيكَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يُلْقُون أَقْلاَمَهُمْ أَيُّهُمْ يَكْفُلُ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا كُنتَ لَدَيْهِمْ إِذْ يَخْتَصِمُونَ
The explanation: (This [story of Mary, Zachariah, and John Baptist] is [some] of tales of the Unknown [to you Mohammed] which We reveal to you [Mohammed, eventhough it is not known by Christians, and it is not written in the Gospel]; and, surely, you were not with them when they cast their pencils [in the River Jordan, to see] which one of them may be assigned to take charge of Mary, and you were not with them when they disputed [concerning that.] )
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March 18th, 2008, 02:01 AM
The Gospels do cover Mary spending time (3 months) with Zachariah and Elizabeth. They were both daughters of Aaron, does that have significance? I take it as what established Jesus's qualification to His priesthood, the right to claim everybody back to Adam.
A Jewish lady told me one time that her name was probably Miriam, as would have been Lazarus's sister that is mentioned often in the Gospels. That would make sense as Moses's and Aaron's sister was also called Miriam.
Does the Quran indicate if she (Lazarus's sister) was the beloved Disciple?
The Gospels do cover Mary spending time (3 months) with Zachariah and Elizabeth. They were both daughters of Aaron, does that have significance? I take it as what established Jesus's qualification to His priesthood, the right to claim everybody back to Adam.
A Jewish lady told me one time that her name was probably Miriam, as would have been Lazarus's sister that is mentioned often in the Gospels. That would make sense as Moses's and Aaron's sister was also called Miriam.
Does the Quran indicate if she (Lazarus's sister) was the beloved Disciple?
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March 19th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Quoting MHz
This visit to her aunt house is not the story of her birth nor the assigning of Zachariah to be her guardian.
The Gospels do cover Mary spending time (3 months) with Zachariah and Elizabeth. They were both daughters of Aaron, does that have significance?
Prophet Zacharia as the guardian of Mary:
When Ann, whose husband was Imran the father of Mary (mother of the Christ), became pregnant, she vowed that what was in her womb would be dedicated to serve in the House of God at Jerusalem.
When Ann, whose husband was Imran the father of Mary (mother of the Christ), became pregnant, she vowed that what was in her womb would be dedicated to serve in the House of God at Jerusalem.
This is in the Quran 3: 35 - 37
إِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَأَةُ عِمْرَانَ رَبِّ إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِي بَطْنِي مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّي إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ . فَلَمَّا وَضَعَتْهَا قَالَتْ رَبِّ إِنِّي وَضَعْتُهَا أُنثَى وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا وَضَعَتْ وَلَيْسَ الذَّكَرُ كَالأُنثَى وَإِنِّي سَمَّيْتُهَا مَرْيَمَ وِإِنِّي أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ .
فَتَقَبَّلَهَا رَبُّهَا بِقَبُولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَهَا نَبَاتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَهَا زَكَرِيَّا كُلَّمَا دَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا زَكَرِيَّا الْمِحْرَابَ وَجَدَ عِندَهَا رِزْقاً قَالَ يَا مَرْيَمُ أَنَّى لَكِ هَذَا قَالَتْ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ إنَّ اللّهَ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاء بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ
The interpretation by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan:
>> "([Remember] when the wife of Imran) her name was Ann daughter of Faqoutha; her husband called Imaran, son of Mathan, the father of Mary,
>> (said, "Lord! I have vowed to You what is within my womb [that I am pregnant with], to be dedicated to You [: consecrated exclusively to Your service, and I should not use him for my advantage], so accept [this vow] from me. Surely, You are the All-Hearing [of what I say], the All-Knowing [of my intention].)
>> "([Remember] when the wife of Imran) her name was Ann daughter of Faqoutha; her husband called Imaran, son of Mathan, the father of Mary,
>> (said, "Lord! I have vowed to You what is within my womb [that I am pregnant with], to be dedicated to You [: consecrated exclusively to Your service, and I should not use him for my advantage], so accept [this vow] from me. Surely, You are the All-Hearing [of what I say], the All-Knowing [of my intention].)
>> (When she was delivered, [she saw it was a female];)
>> ([So Ann] said: "My Lord! I am delivered of a female" [then how can I let her serve together with the men in the temple?] )
>> (–– God knew very well what she was delivered of –– [because it is He Who created and made her]);
>> ("a male is not like a female" [in comparison];
>> ("I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her progeny to Your protection from Satan, the 'rejected and cursed'.[lest he should deceive her]")
>> ([So Ann] said: "My Lord! I am delivered of a female" [then how can I let her serve together with the men in the temple?] )
>> (–– God knew very well what she was delivered of –– [because it is He Who created and made her]);
>> ("a male is not like a female" [in comparison];
>> ("I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her progeny to Your protection from Satan, the 'rejected and cursed'.[lest he should deceive her]")
>> (Right graciously did her Lord received the [child] with gracious favor [i.e. He accepted her vow and prepared everything for that, even though she was a female] ):
>> (He made her grow a goodly growth) [ with no disabling defect or harmful disease; then when she grew and was twelve years of age, her mother brought her to the Jewish rabbis in the House of God at Jerusalem, and said: I present the vowed daughter of mine to you; therefore they competed for who will be her guardian; Zachariah said: I am more worthy with her than all of you, because her aunt is my wife; but they refused, and said: We do not accept unless we go and make lot {in a way of consulting God}; so they went to Jordan river; they were twenty nine men, deciding that they cast their pencils in the river, then anyone whose pencil be fixed in its place, and not move with the stream of the river, then he is chosen to be her guardian; then the pencil of Zachariah was fixed in its place and did not move with the stream of water; so he took her with him, build a room for her in the temple with a ladder, and none might enter her room save him, and made a prayer chamber for her in which she might pray and worship God; he also brought for her the food, water and all her needs.]:
>> (He assigned her to Zachariah to take charge of her [so he became her guardian] ):
>> (Every time that Zachariah entered into her prayer chamber, he found her having a provision) of the fruit. Some rabbis and preachers threw some fruits for her
>> ( [Zachariah] said: "O Mary! How [comes all] this [fruit] to you?")
>> ( [Mary] said: "From God [He makes the hearts of righteous people kind to me, and they bring to me these fruits]):
>> (for God offers provision to whom He pleases, without stint.")
>> (He made her grow a goodly growth) [ with no disabling defect or harmful disease; then when she grew and was twelve years of age, her mother brought her to the Jewish rabbis in the House of God at Jerusalem, and said: I present the vowed daughter of mine to you; therefore they competed for who will be her guardian; Zachariah said: I am more worthy with her than all of you, because her aunt is my wife; but they refused, and said: We do not accept unless we go and make lot {in a way of consulting God}; so they went to Jordan river; they were twenty nine men, deciding that they cast their pencils in the river, then anyone whose pencil be fixed in its place, and not move with the stream of the river, then he is chosen to be her guardian; then the pencil of Zachariah was fixed in its place and did not move with the stream of water; so he took her with him, build a room for her in the temple with a ladder, and none might enter her room save him, and made a prayer chamber for her in which she might pray and worship God; he also brought for her the food, water and all her needs.]:
>> (He assigned her to Zachariah to take charge of her [so he became her guardian] ):
>> (Every time that Zachariah entered into her prayer chamber, he found her having a provision) of the fruit. Some rabbis and preachers threw some fruits for her
>> ( [Zachariah] said: "O Mary! How [comes all] this [fruit] to you?")
>> ( [Mary] said: "From God [He makes the hearts of righteous people kind to me, and they bring to me these fruits]):
>> (for God offers provision to whom He pleases, without stint.")
"Know, [reader,] that Christians do not know the story of the birth of Mary, neither do they know the name of her father, in spite of that she is the mother of their prophet, while it is detailed in the Quran; and this is one of the miracles of the Quran."
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Bright Spark
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March 19th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Quoting MHz
A Jewish lady told me one time that her name was probably Miriam, as would have been Lazarus's sister that is mentioned often in the Gospels. That would make sense as Moses's and Aaron's sister was also called Miriam.?
In the Arab tribes (and this may have some similarities in the Tribes of the Children of Israel), they boast with the honor of their sisters. So they say: I am the brother of Miriam, or the brother of Alia [their sister] …etc.
Miriam [in Arabic, and may be in Hebrew] is the same as Mary in English.
Miriam was also the name of the sister of Moses and Aaron.
Aaron was a prophet and an apostle; he was pious and righteous: fearing God and worshipping Him alone. He was a parable and example for the honorable man, and his sister Mary too was as such.
Miriam was also the name of the sister of Moses and Aaron.
Aaron was a prophet and an apostle; he was pious and righteous: fearing God and worshipping Him alone. He was a parable and example for the honorable man, and his sister Mary too was as such.
Therefore, when Mary (or Miriam) brought her baby: Jesus, her family said to her: What have you done? You are so noble of descent: your mother is chaste and your father was a noble one [and a custodian of the house of God]; moreover you are the sister of Aaron in honor, chastity and morale; this is not proper of you!
This is in the Quran 19: 28
يَا أُخْتَ هَارُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ وَمَا كَانَتْ أُمُّكِ بَغِيًّا
The explanation: (Sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother a woman unchaste.")
Quoting MHz
Nothing of that is mentioned in the Quran.
Does the Quran indicate if she (Lazarus's sister) was the beloved Disciple?
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March 21st, 2008, 02:57 AM
John the Baptist was the last High Priest from the hose of Levi, he passed it onto Jesus, the last High Priest, period.
Their sister had a role back them, i think that same pattern was used in the Gospels. John was sent by God, his words belong with all the other OT Prophets.
Joh:1:6: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh:1:7: The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
The other words in later chapters would have been written by the disciple of John's that is not named at any time.
In the NT when somebody in a crowd said "is this not Jesus, the son of Mary" they would seem to have been insulting Him, a good sign of that is they did try to kill Him after a few more comments. If they were praising Him the would have said "is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph"
At that time there were 3, they may have been 3 witnesses for what Jesus. Jesus did the tasks and the others were observers. John died, but his disciple(s) would have carried on. John had several disciples but only two received instructions to follow Him.
Quoting eanassir
Still in the OT we had Moses (a Prophet) pass authority of who was God's representative between God and people. Moses passed that onto his brother Aaron, the first High Priest to Israel. All other priests came from the same house.
Nothing of that is mentioned in the Quran.
John the Baptist was the last High Priest from the hose of Levi, he passed it onto Jesus, the last High Priest, period.
Their sister had a role back them, i think that same pattern was used in the Gospels. John was sent by God, his words belong with all the other OT Prophets.
Joh:1:6: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh:1:7: The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
The other words in later chapters would have been written by the disciple of John's that is not named at any time.
Quoting eanassir
In the Arab tribes (and this may have some similarities in the Tribes of the Children of Israel), they boast with the honor of their sisters. So they say: I am the brother of Miriam, or the brother of Alia [their sister] …etc.
In the NT when somebody in a crowd said "is this not Jesus, the son of Mary" they would seem to have been insulting Him, a good sign of that is they did try to kill Him after a few more comments. If they were praising Him the would have said "is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph"
Quoting eanassir
Quoting eanassir
Miriam [in Arabic, and may be in Hebrew] is the same as Mary in English.
Miriam was also the name of the sister of Moses and Aaron.
Aaron was a prophet and an apostle; he was pious and righteous: fearing God and worshipping Him alone. He was a parable and example for the honorable man, and his sister Mary too was as such.
Miriam was also the name of the sister of Moses and Aaron.
Aaron was a prophet and an apostle; he was pious and righteous: fearing God and worshipping Him alone. He was a parable and example for the honorable man, and his sister Mary too was as such.
At that time there were 3, they may have been 3 witnesses for what Jesus. Jesus did the tasks and the others were observers. John died, but his disciple(s) would have carried on. John had several disciples but only two received instructions to follow Him.
Quoting eanassir
Therefore, when Mary (or Miriam) brought her baby: Jesus, her family said to her: What have you done? You are so noble of descent: your mother is chaste and your father was a noble one [and a custodian of the house of God]; moreover you are the sister of Aaron in honor, chastity and morale; this is not proper of you!
This is in the Quran 19: 28
يَا أُخْتَ هَارُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ وَمَا كَانَتْ أُمُّكِ بَغِيًّا
The explanation: (Sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother a woman unchaste.") [/quote]
My book doesn't cover that part, but, yes, I would agree that they were devote followers of the Laws, unlike the leaders of the temple. The leaders had fallen away, which will happen when proper guidance is taken away. No prophets walked among them for several hundred years. They would have only killed them anyway, as they had done in the past.
My book doesn't cover that part, but, yes, I would agree that they were devote followers of the Laws, unlike the leaders of the temple. The leaders had fallen away, which will happen when proper guidance is taken away. No prophets walked among them for several hundred years. They would have only killed them anyway, as they had done in the past.
