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March 4th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
5 hours ago
JERUSALEM (AFP) — High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
5 hours ago
JERUSALEM (AFP) — High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
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March 4th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Doesn't surprise me a whole lot.
Doesn't surprise me a whole lot.
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March 4th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Quoting darkbeaver
Send them to me via morse code when you you receive the new transmission from god.
Oh boy I got acacia trees just up the road. Stand by for new commandments.
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March 4th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Good, feel free to omit any commandments related to coveting wives, adultery etc
Good, feel free to omit any commandments related to coveting wives, adultery etc
March 4th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
I thought 'parting the Red Sea' sounded very mushroom-like.
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
5 hours ago
JERUSALEM (AFP) — High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
5 hours ago
JERUSALEM (AFP) — High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
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March 4th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Great post!
I think this finding is consistent with the actions of Moses as described in the bible.
I mean who in their right mind would smash clay tablets freshly handed to them by God, fly into a fit of rage and murder a couple thousand people (breaking a commandment just handed down) then declare his god is one of many (my god is a jealous god)?
Either he was on drugs or needed drugs.
Great post!
I think this finding is consistent with the actions of Moses as described in the bible.
I mean who in their right mind would smash clay tablets freshly handed to them by God, fly into a fit of rage and murder a couple thousand people (breaking a commandment just handed down) then declare his god is one of many (my god is a jealous god)?
Either he was on drugs or needed drugs.
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March 12th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 33: 69
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَكُونُوا كَالَّذِينَ آذَوْا مُوسَى فَبَرَّأَهُ اللَّهُ مِمَّا قَالُوا وَكَانَ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَجِيهًا
The explanation: (O believers, be not as those [hypocrites among the Children of Israel] who hurt Moses, but God declared him quit of what they said; and, before God, [Moses] is honorable.)
These hypocrites accused Moses that he coveted the wealth of Koran, but God declared him quit of this accusation, when he cleft the earth open with Koran together with his wealth.
What they said about Moses are merely fabrication and forging:
1. They may say all their lies, but what is the proof of their words?
2. The man under the effect of such drugs, will he bring the wisest commandments as a guidance and light for all humanity.
3. Moreover, even the wine, with any degree of drunkenness is forbidden in the Law included in the Torah. Then will the drugs and hallucinogenic substances be allowed, while the wine is forbidden?
4. Why is all this stand and hatred toward the noble prophets of God, particularly Moses, to whom God spoke, and gave him all the miracles?
Then how were the Children of Israel saved from Pharaoh, and this Pharaoh moreover was drowned?
1. They may say all their lies, but what is the proof of their words?
2. The man under the effect of such drugs, will he bring the wisest commandments as a guidance and light for all humanity.
3. Moreover, even the wine, with any degree of drunkenness is forbidden in the Law included in the Torah. Then will the drugs and hallucinogenic substances be allowed, while the wine is forbidden?
4. Why is all this stand and hatred toward the noble prophets of God, particularly Moses, to whom God spoke, and gave him all the miracles?
Then how were the Children of Israel saved from Pharaoh, and this Pharaoh moreover was drowned?
But the Red Sea was parted and the Children of Israel, under the leadership of Moses, crossed to the other side while Pharaoh Merneptah [: son of Pharaoh Ramses ii, who took care of Moses in his palace, and who persecuted the Children of Israel; this Ramses ii died while Moses was in Sinai running away from Pharaoh]; Pharaoh Merneptah together with his host were drowned, and the fat corpse of Pharaoh Merneptah was then taken out of the sea by the Egyptians; who mummified it.
This is a miracle of the Quran; because the Torah does not mention anything about the picking of his corpse from the sea; while it is mentioned in the Quran, and only discovered at 1900 AD.
Different from all the other Pharaohs, this Merneptah had no prepared pyramid or at least any grave suitable and proper for a Pharaoh like him, because his death was unexpected, and the effect of the sea animal eating some part of his mummy is evident.
This is in the Quran 10: 92
فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ آيَاتِنَا لَغَافِلُونَ
The explanation: (But today We shall save you [Pharaoh Merneptah] in your [huge fat] corpse, that you may be an indicative sign [of Our truthfulness] to those [coming] after you. But much many of mankind are heedless of Our signs.)
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March 12th, 2008, 11:25 PM
Quoting eanassir
That doesn't make any sense at all. If Ramses II died while Moses was in Sinai, then Ramses II is the Pharaoh of the Exodus, not Merneptah. And I've just done some research on Merneptah. Just Google his name, you'll find the same things I did. The official sources indicate that his mummy is that of an old fat man who suffered from arthritis and arteriosclerosis and died of natural causes. It's extremely unlikely that a man in that condition would have been active in the army, and in fact neither Hebrew nor Christian Scriptures say that he was with the army at the crossing of the Red Sea, neither is there any sign on the mummy that any part of it was eaten by anything. You don't have a miracle here eannassir, you've got fiction.
But the Red Sea was parted and the Children of Israel, under the leadership of Moses, crossed to the other side while Pharaoh Merneptah [: son of Pharaoh Ramses ii, who took care of Moses in his palace, and who persecuted the Children of Israel; this Ramses ii died while Moses was in Sinai running away from Pharaoh]; Pharaoh Merneptah together with his host were drowned, and the fat corpse of Pharaoh Merneptah was then taken out of the sea by the Egyptians; who mummified it.
This is a miracle of the Quran; because the Torah does not mention anything about the picking of his corpse from the sea; while it is mentioned in the Quran, and only discovered at 1900 AD.
Different from all the other Pharaohs, this Merneptah had no prepared pyramid or at least any grave suitable and proper for a Pharaoh like him, because his death was unexpected, and the effect of the sea animal eating some part of his mummy is evident.
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March 13th, 2008, 02:48 AM
Quoting darkbeaver
And after the religion based on these ten "commandments" became one of the dominant ones in the world, they had quickly forbidden the use of psychedelics, so that no one could question their authority.
Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
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March 13th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
If Ramses II died while Moses was in Sinai, then Ramses II is the Pharaoh of the Exodus, not Merneptah.
There were two Pharaohs:
The Pharaoh of the persecution: this was Ramses ii.
The Pharaoh of the Exodus: this wasMerneptah.
The story:
Pharaoh Ramses ii saw a dream, and they interpreted it that a boy will be born of the Children of Israel, by whose hands the authority of Pharaoh will be ruined. So he started to kill every boy delivered of them. Then Moses was born …etc.
Then Moses was grown in the house of Pharaoh (Ramses ii), until he killed the Coptic (unintentionally, he only intended to beat him), and was afraid of Pharaoh, and ran away to Sinai : to Median (this was not the Exodus yet) and stayed there eight years, then he heard that Pharaoh Ramses ii died, so he returned to Egypt.
This is in the Quran 20: 40
The Pharaoh of the persecution: this was Ramses ii.
The Pharaoh of the Exodus: this wasMerneptah.
The story:
Pharaoh Ramses ii saw a dream, and they interpreted it that a boy will be born of the Children of Israel, by whose hands the authority of Pharaoh will be ruined. So he started to kill every boy delivered of them. Then Moses was born …etc.
Then Moses was grown in the house of Pharaoh (Ramses ii), until he killed the Coptic (unintentionally, he only intended to beat him), and was afraid of Pharaoh, and ran away to Sinai : to Median (this was not the Exodus yet) and stayed there eight years, then he heard that Pharaoh Ramses ii died, so he returned to Egypt.
This is in the Quran 20: 40
وَقَتَلْتَ نَفْسًا فَنَجَّيْنَاكَ مِنَ الْغَمِّ وَفَتَنَّاكَ فُتُونًا فَلَبِثْتَ سِنِينَ فِي أَهْلِ مَدْيَنَ ثُمَّ جِئْتَ عَلَى قَدَرٍ يَا مُوسَى
The explanation: ("…You also killed a man, but We saved you from worry, and We tried you in various ways, then you tarried for [several] years with the people of Median, then you have now come according to a decree, O Moses.")
In his way back to Egypt, God sent him to Pharaoh the son (Merneptah) who was later on drowned, and Moses and his people went to Sinai (now it was the Exodus.)
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In his way back to Egypt, God sent him to Pharaoh the son (Merneptah) who was later on drowned, and Moses and his people went to Sinai (now it was the Exodus.)
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http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
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March 13th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Quoting Vereya
By such deduction, you can turn the day into night and the night into day.
And after the religion based on these ten "commandments" became one of the dominant ones in the world, they had quickly forbidden the use of psychedelics, so that no one could question their authority.
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March 13th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Quoting Lester
crap, there is no proof you have none except for a dusty old tome written by ancient crackheads. All lies and deception fabricated to control the masses
Not all the Children of Israel believed in Moses; many of them acted the hypocrites. But they were considered by Pharaoh as the party of Moses; so they were obliged to follow him.
This is in the Quran 61: 5
This is in the Quran 61: 5
وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسَى لِقَوْمِهِ يَا قَوْمِ لِمَ تُؤْذُونَنِي وَقَد تَّعْلَمُونَ أَنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ فَلَمَّا زَاغُوا أَزَاغَ اللَّهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْفَاسِقِينَ
The explanation: (And [mention to them] when Moses said to his people: "My people, why do you hurt me when you well know that I am God's messenger to you?" So when they deviated [from piety], God let their hearts deviate [from the truth]; [for] God loves not the ungodly people.)
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March 13th, 2008, 02:27 PM
Eanassir, do you really believe this fiction you post from your "holy book?
Eanassir, do you really believe this fiction you post from your "holy book?
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March 13th, 2008, 03:15 PM
I'm reminded of the morons and Joseph Smith. I was accosted on the street by a couple of well dressed zealots who asked me if I would be interested in some brainwashing - OK, admittedly they put it a little more subtly than that. To which I replied that I wasn't interested in following a convicted swindler. They had no idea what I was talking about so I explained: in 1826 Joseph Smith was convicted of fraud, the charges to which he confessed his guilt, in Bainbridge, New York; just four years before revealing his book of Mormon!!!!! (Hitchens, god Is Not Great, p161) They had never heard of this and said they would look into it. I hope for their sake they do. They meant to save me but maybe I saved them?
Anyway, I think people should be a little more selective in choosing their religious leaders. At this rate I'm starting to think God is really a Hells Angel in full colours.
How can people fall for this crap? My excuse was that I was raised in it but when I reached adulthood it ended. If I had no moral scruples I think I would start a religion; it seems very lucrative... I just don't have the stomach for it being a heathen atheist and all
Quoting eanassir
Then Moses was grown in the house of Pharaoh (Ramses ii), until he killed the Coptic (unintentionally, he only intended to beat him), and was afraid of Pharaoh, and ran away to Sinai : to Median (this was not the Exodus yet) and stayed there eight years, then he heard that Pharaoh Ramses ii died, so he returned to Egypt.
The more I hear about this lunatic the more I wonder at people that can follow him! I thought it was bad enough he was a drug using, voice hearing, plagiarizing, mass murderer but now we find out he started his career as a fugitive! Then Moses was grown in the house of Pharaoh (Ramses ii), until he killed the Coptic (unintentionally, he only intended to beat him), and was afraid of Pharaoh, and ran away to Sinai : to Median (this was not the Exodus yet) and stayed there eight years, then he heard that Pharaoh Ramses ii died, so he returned to Egypt.
I'm reminded of the morons and Joseph Smith. I was accosted on the street by a couple of well dressed zealots who asked me if I would be interested in some brainwashing - OK, admittedly they put it a little more subtly than that. To which I replied that I wasn't interested in following a convicted swindler. They had no idea what I was talking about so I explained: in 1826 Joseph Smith was convicted of fraud, the charges to which he confessed his guilt, in Bainbridge, New York; just four years before revealing his book of Mormon!!!!! (Hitchens, god Is Not Great, p161) They had never heard of this and said they would look into it. I hope for their sake they do. They meant to save me but maybe I saved them?
Anyway, I think people should be a little more selective in choosing their religious leaders. At this rate I'm starting to think God is really a Hells Angel in full colours.
How can people fall for this crap? My excuse was that I was raised in it but when I reached adulthood it ended. If I had no moral scruples I think I would start a religion; it seems very lucrative... I just don't have the stomach for it being a heathen atheist and all
March 13th, 2008, 03:24 PM
"Anyway, I think people should be a little more selective in choosing their religious leaders...."
And perhaps they ought to be more selective in considering their sources of information as well. Have you reviewed eanassir's posts? Checked out his link? His knowledge of astronomy is especially illustrative of what a scientific, reality based view he has (with no reason to slant history at all). Enjoy reading up on it.
"Anyway, I think people should be a little more selective in choosing their religious leaders...."
And perhaps they ought to be more selective in considering their sources of information as well. Have you reviewed eanassir's posts? Checked out his link? His knowledge of astronomy is especially illustrative of what a scientific, reality based view he has (with no reason to slant history at all). Enjoy reading up on it.
