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March 29th, 2008, 11:49 PM
http://www.funygroup.org/articles/beating.html
Quoting MHz
BEATING CHILDREN FOR JESUS?
That would seem to be separating the unruly from the obedient children. Who would you describe as being unruly? Like in kinds of acts. Would murder come under that definition?
You should do a mental update at some point, you and I are under NT Law, that not so little point seems to have escaped every cell in your brain.
You should do a mental update at some point, you and I are under NT Law, that not so little point seems to have escaped every cell in your brain.
http://www.funygroup.org/articles/beating.html
Mighty Intellect
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March 29th, 2008, 11:51 PM
That is a common attitude of mankind to blame God for all its ills.
peace>>>AJ
Quoting johai
Thats what you call not taking responsibility and blame others.
Just for you:
Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse
They **** you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were ****ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself
Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse
They **** you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were ****ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself
That is a common attitude of mankind to blame God for all its ills.
peace>>>AJ
Genius
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March 30th, 2008, 12:38 AM
Now being a little more serious, if you fuked up back then you would get a death sentence for some things. Does Scripture say what dimensions a 'rod' was, I doubt it was a 'rod of iron', and to tell you the truth one whack (from a green willow branch)on the ass through a pair of jeans hurt a lot more than a spanking on the bare bottom. If that 'rod' was more like a switch then that bit of pain would stop whatever activity was going on, it could be a life-saver if that action could have lead to a more serious infraction of the law when they were older.
Do you remember a few years back when some American kid was sentenced to a lash from 'something like a willow switch'? The parents got the Gov. involved but the punishment went ahead anyway. Do you think that kid ever thought of 'keying the paint on a car' again? If he was smart he didn't, if he was stupid he did it again and is probably in prison now for other crimes.
grumpy, they have an offer for audio tapes on that site, you should get the whole set.
This may save you some money, just delete /beating.html, hopefully those articles are what the audio is about
Quoting mrgrumpy
WOW, maybe those saying "Jesus is Lord." should check the resume of their next preacher. BTW grumpy (and members of that "Church") those are OT verses.Now being a little more serious, if you fuked up back then you would get a death sentence for some things. Does Scripture say what dimensions a 'rod' was, I doubt it was a 'rod of iron', and to tell you the truth one whack (from a green willow branch)on the ass through a pair of jeans hurt a lot more than a spanking on the bare bottom. If that 'rod' was more like a switch then that bit of pain would stop whatever activity was going on, it could be a life-saver if that action could have lead to a more serious infraction of the law when they were older.
Do you remember a few years back when some American kid was sentenced to a lash from 'something like a willow switch'? The parents got the Gov. involved but the punishment went ahead anyway. Do you think that kid ever thought of 'keying the paint on a car' again? If he was smart he didn't, if he was stupid he did it again and is probably in prison now for other crimes.
grumpy, they have an offer for audio tapes on that site, you should get the whole set.
This may save you some money, just delete /beating.html, hopefully those articles are what the audio is about
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March 30th, 2008, 01:15 AM
[quote=MHz;939737]WOW, maybe those saying "Jesus is Lord." should check the resume of their next preacher. BTW grumpy (and members of that "Church") those are OT verses.
Judging from the last couple posts it seems our Christian defenders are getting both a little testier and obviously more confused.
Perhaps you've forgotten the earlier texts about stoning children; easy to make excuses about what a rod might be, stones aren't that subject to "inrerpretation" though, eh?
And is Matthew OT? Maybe check out yer own Bible - our friends in Alberta nust be half way through a Molson six-pack by now to make such a silly statement.
And even IF the quotes were all from the OT, so what? Your God is your God is he not? Jesus and the Spirit and Daddy and all that hype, right?
Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it - just thought I'd give you a head's up; maybe you can be MORE prepared for an intelligent discussion than you obviously were today.
[quote=MHz;939737]WOW, maybe those saying "Jesus is Lord." should check the resume of their next preacher. BTW grumpy (and members of that "Church") those are OT verses.
Judging from the last couple posts it seems our Christian defenders are getting both a little testier and obviously more confused.
Perhaps you've forgotten the earlier texts about stoning children; easy to make excuses about what a rod might be, stones aren't that subject to "inrerpretation" though, eh?
And is Matthew OT? Maybe check out yer own Bible - our friends in Alberta nust be half way through a Molson six-pack by now to make such a silly statement.
And even IF the quotes were all from the OT, so what? Your God is your God is he not? Jesus and the Spirit and Daddy and all that hype, right?
Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it - just thought I'd give you a head's up; maybe you can be MORE prepared for an intelligent discussion than you obviously were today.
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March 30th, 2008, 01:35 AM
Quoting mrgrumpy
Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...
Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it ... .
Newbie
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March 30th, 2008, 02:31 AM
Check the Church of Philidelpia, for instance. Of course if ya figure those writings have no significance, then forget it, ok ?
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Well how about a little truth, can ya swallow it ?
Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...
Check the Church of Philidelpia, for instance. Of course if ya figure those writings have no significance, then forget it, ok ?
Time Out
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March 30th, 2008, 06:47 AM
A God of love or a God of murder and atrocities?
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/biblegod.html
A God of love or a God of murder and atrocities?
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/biblegod.html
Genius
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Location: Red Deer AB
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March 30th, 2008, 01:28 PM
De:21:18:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son,
which will not obey the voice of his father,
or the voice of his mother,
and that,
when they have chastened him,
will not hearken unto them:
De:21:19:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of his city,
and unto the gate of his place;
De:21:20:
And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious,
he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton,
and a drunkard.
De:21:21:
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones,
that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you;
and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Same if any Christian is acting outside our two Laws, they belong to Satan. Satan fighting Satan, no wonder he shouldn't have dominion over any living thing.
How hard is that to comprehend?
Bitch all you want that He hasn't yet taken firm control of your life.
Quoting mrgrumpy
I just wanted it clarified if you see anybody in society as being an evil person and just what you define unruly as.
Judging from the last couple posts it seems our Christian defenders are getting both a little testier and obviously more confused.
Quoting mrgrumpy
It says a son, you are still a son of your parents, why do you insist on changing the words to suit your own agenda. You make it appear as somebody very young. What is the age of accountability for Jews? They aren't allowed to go to war before they are 20, is that the age when they could be held accountable to Laws that carry punishment? The parents instructions would have to be in harmony with those laws. As I said before, they didn't have prisons back then, death was their jail.
Perhaps you've forgotten the earlier texts about stoning children; easy to make excuses about what a rod might be, stones aren't that subject to "inrerpretation" though, eh?
De:21:18:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son,
which will not obey the voice of his father,
or the voice of his mother,
and that,
when they have chastened him,
will not hearken unto them:
De:21:19:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of his city,
and unto the gate of his place;
De:21:20:
And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious,
he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton,
and a drunkard.
De:21:21:
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones,
that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you;
and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Quoting mrgrumpy
Do you ever try and verify anything, when that was said He was talking to priests about the Law they were under, the conversation was before the cross. You keep grasping at things that don't even come close to supporting what you promote.
And is Matthew OT? Maybe check out yer own Bible - our friends in Alberta nust be half way through a Molson six-pack by now to make such a silly statement.
Quoting mrgrumpy
What do you mean, so what? What does a change in Law mean?
And even IF the quotes were all from the OT, so what? Your God is your God is he not? Jesus and the Spirit and Daddy and all that hype, right?
Quoting mrgrumpy
How prepared should I get for you? Well they were probably killing a lot more than just Jews.
Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it - just thought I'd give you a head's up; maybe you can be MORE prepared for an intelligent discussion than you obviously were today.
Quoting Dexter Sinister
You don't have to go that far, the 1st four Gospels have direct quotes from Jesus that more than spells that out. If the priests were acting outside their guidelines then they do belong to Satan.
Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...
Same if any Christian is acting outside our two Laws, they belong to Satan. Satan fighting Satan, no wonder he shouldn't have dominion over any living thing.
How hard is that to comprehend?
Quoting mrgrumpy
I suppose He could have let Noah's family become corrupted if that was His plan, obviously it wasn't. Bitch all you want that He hasn't yet taken firm control of your life.
Time Out
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March 30th, 2008, 05:43 PM
In the beginning God was nuts!
(Still is!)
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...d-was-nuts.php
In the beginning God was nuts!
(Still is!)
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...d-was-nuts.php
Clever Clogs
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March 30th, 2008, 05:47 PM
Atheist Holiday
Court Ruling
This is courtesy of Connie Hooper, a lady, who works for the judicial system in Florida.
Have you heard about this case? Great answer from the judge!
In Florida , an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no holiday to celebrate. The case was brought before a judge.
After listening to the long passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, 'Case dismissed!'
The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, 'Your honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!'
The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, 'Obviously your client is too confused to even know about, much less celebrate his own atheists' holiday!'
The lawyer pompously said, 'Your Honor, we are unaware of any such holiday for atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your Honor?'
The judge said, 'Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st! Since our calendar sets April 1st as 'April Fools Day,' consider that Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, in my opinion, if your client says there is no God, then by scripture, he is a fool, and April 1st is his holiday!
Atheist Holiday
Court Ruling
This is courtesy of Connie Hooper, a lady, who works for the judicial system in Florida.
Have you heard about this case? Great answer from the judge!
In Florida , an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no holiday to celebrate. The case was brought before a judge.
After listening to the long passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, 'Case dismissed!'
The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, 'Your honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!'
The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, 'Obviously your client is too confused to even know about, much less celebrate his own atheists' holiday!'
The lawyer pompously said, 'Your Honor, we are unaware of any such holiday for atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your Honor?'
The judge said, 'Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st! Since our calendar sets April 1st as 'April Fools Day,' consider that Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, in my opinion, if your client says there is no God, then by scripture, he is a fool, and April 1st is his holiday!
Genius
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March 30th, 2008, 05:58 PM
Quoting mrgrumpy
Your link isn't working right, amongst other things
In the beginning God was nuts!
(Still is!)
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2003/06/in-the beginning-god-was-nuts.php
(Still is!)
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2003/06/in-the beginning-god-was-nuts.php
Time Out
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March 30th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Well, I'm glad you're so eager to learn new things!
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...d-was-nuts.php
Well, I'm glad you're so eager to learn new things!
http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2...d-was-nuts.php
Genius
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Location: Red Deer AB
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March 30th, 2008, 06:42 PM
How could He keep his word, if they were lead to the tree of life then they would not have died. (nor does it say that tree had any fruit at that time).
God doesn't repent the things He says, depending on which view He has of anybody, like me and you, we get what we deserve, now just think of what the ones He disapproves of will be saying about Him.
The article introduced Satan, got any words for him?
How could He keep his word, if they were lead to the tree of life then they would not have died. (nor does it say that tree had any fruit at that time).
God doesn't repent the things He says, depending on which view He has of anybody, like me and you, we get what we deserve, now just think of what the ones He disapproves of will be saying about Him.
The article introduced Satan, got any words for him?
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March 30th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Quoting MHz
That's all perfectly easy to comprehend. What's hard to comprehend is how evil done in the name of religion is somehow never its fault, it's people acting outside the guidelines or rules, or perverting it somehow, or misunderstanding it, or something. You always find a way to duck it, leaving the church blameless. That seems fundamentally dishonest to me. The church is nothing without the people who belong to it. People sanctified by the church, acting officially in its name, mean the church IS at fault for evil done in its name.
How hard is that to comprehend?
