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March 28th, 2008, 10:45 AM
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Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
Circumcision is of the heart and not of the physical.
Therefore to lump all as one is not a correct measure of what a true Jew is.
Peace>>>AJ
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Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
Circumcision is of the heart and not of the physical.
Therefore to lump all as one is not a correct measure of what a true Jew is.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 28th, 2008, 10:57 AM
Lets see, the Jews are in exile and the Gentiles have yet to be gathered, I wonder how things are going to go?
Ro:3:29:
Is he the God of the Jews only?
is he not also of the Gentiles?
Yes,
of the Gentiles also:
This be Christ believing Jews and Gentiles, there are some in both groups. Is a non-Christian Jew more important than a non-Christian Gentile?
Ro:9:24:
Even us, whom he hath called,
not of the Jews only,
but also of the Gentiles?
The Jews were sent to the Nations to be a light to who Christ is. That was their whole mission.
Quoting look3467
Well I'm pretty sure the one responsible for salvation had things already moving along in that direction before anybody was qualified to be called a Jew.
My dear friends, the very one's we persecuted, Jews; meaning mankind as a whole, are the very ones responsible for our salvation!
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
We speak when we don't understand the truth, thereby making fools of ourselves.
Speak no more evil of the plight of the Jews unless you intend to be their friend for the suffering they have to endure on your behalf!
Peace>>>AJ
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
We speak when we don't understand the truth, thereby making fools of ourselves.
Speak no more evil of the plight of the Jews unless you intend to be their friend for the suffering they have to endure on your behalf!
Peace>>>AJ
Lets see, the Jews are in exile and the Gentiles have yet to be gathered, I wonder how things are going to go?
Ro:3:29:
Is he the God of the Jews only?
is he not also of the Gentiles?
Yes,
of the Gentiles also:
This be Christ believing Jews and Gentiles, there are some in both groups. Is a non-Christian Jew more important than a non-Christian Gentile?
Ro:9:24:
Even us, whom he hath called,
not of the Jews only,
but also of the Gentiles?
The Jews were sent to the Nations to be a light to who Christ is. That was their whole mission.
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March 28th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Quoting karrie
Then maybe you can answer why the 'West" refused to allow those trains to leave Germany, the offer was made and turned down.
It's not just gerryh. It's next to impossible to read this without thinking what he's said.
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March 28th, 2008, 11:10 AM
The Jews are under the very same laws as Christians. Do no harm.
Quoting look3467
The same can be said for Christians. You had Jews that were spreading the Gospel to the Nations, you also had Jews that followed them from town to town persecuting them.
MHz
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
Circumcision is of the heart and not of the physical.
Therefore to lump all as one is not a correct measure of what a true Jew is.
Peace>>>AJ
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
Circumcision is of the heart and not of the physical.
Therefore to lump all as one is not a correct measure of what a true Jew is.
Peace>>>AJ
The Jews are under the very same laws as Christians. Do no harm.
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March 28th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Pretty sure? I mean that point is none arguable.
The Gentiles had their part in participation of the Roman Empire.
The Jewish High priest were the only ones on earth authorized to offer up sacrifices to the God of Moses, thereby, Jesus giving them notice that only through Him could they reach their Father was an all out statement of blasphemy and was subject to death.
Pre- planned? Absolutely!
Therefore, as Judas was instrumental in preparing the way for Jesus to be crucified, Judas, the High Priests and all the Gentiles are given life, as only God can in Jesus.
So, the sufferings of the Jew are their portion in the lot.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Both Jesus and the Jewish nation, receive the double portion, and the Gentiles as Barabbas, set free.
But “everlasting Joy” shall be unto them………….but for the moment?
Let us therefore pray for peace of Jerusalem.
Peace>>>AJ
Quote:
Well I'm pretty sure the one responsible for salvation had things already moving along in that direction before anybody was qualified to be called a Jew.>>>MHz
Pretty sure? I mean that point is none arguable.
Quote:
Lets see, the Jews are in exile and the Gentiles have yet to be gathered, I wonder how things are going to go?>>>MHz
The Gentiles had their part in participation of the Roman Empire.
The Jewish High priest were the only ones on earth authorized to offer up sacrifices to the God of Moses, thereby, Jesus giving them notice that only through Him could they reach their Father was an all out statement of blasphemy and was subject to death.
Pre- planned? Absolutely!
Therefore, as Judas was instrumental in preparing the way for Jesus to be crucified, Judas, the High Priests and all the Gentiles are given life, as only God can in Jesus.
So, the sufferings of the Jew are their portion in the lot.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Both Jesus and the Jewish nation, receive the double portion, and the Gentiles as Barabbas, set free.
But “everlasting Joy” shall be unto them………….but for the moment?
Let us therefore pray for peace of Jerusalem.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 28th, 2008, 04:45 PM
emotion I feel, relieved, free, positive, happy, satisfied, and open minded. That
fits much better, and I wish all of the catholics in this world a happy life.
(or, maybe some of them grew up in a catholic orphanage, that could cause
much bitterness for life)
Quoting Kjetil
Why would an ex catholic be bitter, I fall into that catagorie, and bitter is the last
*Yawn* As tiring as I find Fundamentalist Christians, I find Fundamentalist Atheists even more taxing. I'm not sure if there is anything in the world more trying than bitter ex-Catholics and bitter ex-Pentacostals.
emotion I feel, relieved, free, positive, happy, satisfied, and open minded. That
fits much better, and I wish all of the catholics in this world a happy life.
(or, maybe some of them grew up in a catholic orphanage, that could cause
much bitterness for life)
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March 28th, 2008, 05:45 PM
It almost reads like a justification for genocide.
Quoting gerryh
I'm sure Ger is as surprised as I am but I agree with him that the comments are bigoted and racist.
Hatred, rasicim, and bigotry....alive and well.
It almost reads like a justification for genocide.
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March 28th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Quoting look3467
I find it difficult to understand the meaning of what you are saying, but I get the impression you are using biblical scripture to justify the torment Jewish people have been put to. If I'm wrong I look forward to your clarification...and if you could do so without the endless sriptural posts it would probably be clearer.
Pretty sure? I mean that point is none arguable.
The Gentiles had their part in participation of the Roman Empire.
The Jewish High priest were the only ones on earth authorized to offer up sacrifices to the God of Moses, thereby, Jesus giving them notice that only through Him could they reach their Father was an all out statement of blasphemy and was subject to death.
Pre- planned? Absolutely!
Therefore, as Judas was instrumental in preparing the way for Jesus to be crucified, Judas, the High Priests and all the Gentiles are given life, as only God can in Jesus.
So, the sufferings of the Jew are their portion in the lot.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Both Jesus and the Jewish nation, receive the double portion, and the Gentiles as Barabbas, set free.
But “everlasting Joy” shall be unto them………….but for the moment?
Let us therefore pray for peace of Jerusalem.
Peace>>>AJ
The Gentiles had their part in participation of the Roman Empire.
The Jewish High priest were the only ones on earth authorized to offer up sacrifices to the God of Moses, thereby, Jesus giving them notice that only through Him could they reach their Father was an all out statement of blasphemy and was subject to death.
Pre- planned? Absolutely!
Therefore, as Judas was instrumental in preparing the way for Jesus to be crucified, Judas, the High Priests and all the Gentiles are given life, as only God can in Jesus.
So, the sufferings of the Jew are their portion in the lot.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Both Jesus and the Jewish nation, receive the double portion, and the Gentiles as Barabbas, set free.
But “everlasting Joy” shall be unto them………….but for the moment?
Let us therefore pray for peace of Jerusalem.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 28th, 2008, 06:22 PM
[quote=look3467;939280]MHz
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
[quote=look3467;939280]MHz
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
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March 28th, 2008, 07:35 PM
If you could but understand the history and the relationship they have with God, you'd understand what it is all about.
Scripture use is of uppermost importance because it is the basis for my explanation.
If I speak of God, then most assuredly, I will use His word.
Your use of quotes from different authors are welcome because they say what they feel and have experienced about life.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
The bible is the explanation for all that the Jewish folks are going through.
I find it difficult to understand the meaning of what you are saying, but I get the impression you are using biblical scripture to justify the torment Jewish people have been put to. If I'm wrong I look forward to your clarification...and if you could do so without the endless sriptural posts it would probably be clearer.
If you could but understand the history and the relationship they have with God, you'd understand what it is all about.
Scripture use is of uppermost importance because it is the basis for my explanation.
If I speak of God, then most assuredly, I will use His word.
Your use of quotes from different authors are welcome because they say what they feel and have experienced about life.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 28th, 2008, 07:39 PM
[quote=mrgrumpy;939411]
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The heart is where it is my friend!
Peace>>>AJ
[quote=mrgrumpy;939411]
Quoting look3467
My friend, that is in the bible and in which the point is, that just because one may say one is a Jew, inwardly, the real Jew is one who abides in Gods laws.
MHz
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!
Does that tell you anything?
What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The heart is where it is my friend!
Peace>>>AJ
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March 29th, 2008, 04:44 AM
I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
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March 29th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
Sorry, mrgrumpy, you missed the point entirely.
I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
Peace>>>AJ
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March 29th, 2008, 10:20 AM
Somebody mentioned that 60% of those who were rounded up were Jews, yet they went onto say that the other 40% were 'the least desirable in a society'. Notice how that little statement separates 'Jews' from the 'least desirable'? I doubt that is totally accurate.
The always stellar RCC and the Germans, was the RCC helping Jews escape? I can probably dig up more than a few articles that say they were helping more high-level Nazis escape to South America, with their loot than even lifting one finger to help those who were being rounded up. The US exempted some Nazis from war-crime trials so they could become part of the CIA, another fine example of how they truly felt about those killed in the camps.
Since you weren't there, your opinion that you would have opposed those things is not backed up by any provable fact.
You example of being a German Catholic could be used here, would you just sit by while your Nation was slowly being taken over so that non-German, non-Christians held all the key positions of power, their oath being to 'their kind' alone.
Tell me, O small bag of knowledge, how many of the Jews rounded up were Christians, how many of the other 40% were Christians?
Da:6:24:
And the king commanded,
and they brought those men which had accused Daniel,
and they cast them into the den of lions,
them,
their children,
and their wives;
and the lions had the mastery of them,
and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
Now what 'head of State' wouldn't double check his facts if he knew who would be affected by his advice?
Quoting mrgrumpy
Well grumpy, you answer why the 'west' refused to allow those trains to exit Germany.
I'm sure Ger is as surprised as I am but I agree with him that the comments are bigoted and racist.
It almost reads like a justification for genocide.
It almost reads like a justification for genocide.
Somebody mentioned that 60% of those who were rounded up were Jews, yet they went onto say that the other 40% were 'the least desirable in a society'. Notice how that little statement separates 'Jews' from the 'least desirable'? I doubt that is totally accurate.
Quoting mrgrumpy
If God didn't protect them in their own land they why would they assume they would be when taken as captives into the other Nations? Even when Neb took them captive they didn't start running the country (although Daniel did have some pull), they remained captives. Why would any country want Jews to run their internal and external affairs? Their loyalty is always to that one piece of land. Think any Jew put in a position of importance would delay his return to Israel for the sake of his 'host country'? Think any lawyer would delay his return so he can clear up his cases before leaving. Don't bet on either of those two things happening
What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
Talk about presumptuos.
The always stellar RCC and the Germans, was the RCC helping Jews escape? I can probably dig up more than a few articles that say they were helping more high-level Nazis escape to South America, with their loot than even lifting one finger to help those who were being rounded up. The US exempted some Nazis from war-crime trials so they could become part of the CIA, another fine example of how they truly felt about those killed in the camps.
Since you weren't there, your opinion that you would have opposed those things is not backed up by any provable fact.
Quoting mrgrumpy
So are you admitting the RCC was helping the Germans?
I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
You example of being a German Catholic could be used here, would you just sit by while your Nation was slowly being taken over so that non-German, non-Christians held all the key positions of power, their oath being to 'their kind' alone.
Tell me, O small bag of knowledge, how many of the Jews rounded up were Christians, how many of the other 40% were Christians?
Da:6:24:
And the king commanded,
and they brought those men which had accused Daniel,
and they cast them into the den of lions,
them,
their children,
and their wives;
and the lions had the mastery of them,
and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
Now what 'head of State' wouldn't double check his facts if he knew who would be affected by his advice?
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March 29th, 2008, 12:43 PM
I think YOU are missing my point - The God of the bible, who committed genocide himself, together with a host of other atrocities sets a rotten example for those poor deluded souls who think the Book of Myths is true.
That's why many folks who call themselves Christian are better and more moral than the imaginary god they worship. And those that aren't copy his evil acts against humankind.
Quoting look3467
Sorry, mrgrumpy, you missed the point entirely.
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
I think YOU are missing my point - The God of the bible, who committed genocide himself, together with a host of other atrocities sets a rotten example for those poor deluded souls who think the Book of Myths is true.
That's why many folks who call themselves Christian are better and more moral than the imaginary god they worship. And those that aren't copy his evil acts against humankind.
