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Location: Pennsylvania
Location: Pennsylvania
March 24th, 2008, 09:59 PM
DOes that make all christians bad? i bet some atheists have killed people but no one goes around saying that athiests are murderers ? Im sorry for what some Christians have done in the past, there are bad people in all religions, look at muslims, but anyhow there have been very good Christians too, such as Mother Terresa, and St. Patrick, John the Baptist, so you cannot say that CHristians have been killing people for many years before they found out murder is bad, plus there is the fact that killing in defense of yourself or loved ones is justified as is accidental killings, so calm down there in your accusiations
DOes that make all christians bad? i bet some atheists have killed people but no one goes around saying that athiests are murderers ? Im sorry for what some Christians have done in the past, there are bad people in all religions, look at muslims, but anyhow there have been very good Christians too, such as Mother Terresa, and St. Patrick, John the Baptist, so you cannot say that CHristians have been killing people for many years before they found out murder is bad, plus there is the fact that killing in defense of yourself or loved ones is justified as is accidental killings, so calm down there in your accusiations
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 25th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Well the Nation's of the world carry the sword not the Church. And I doubt the Church is very concerned about who is dying as long as it isn't on their own block.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
Well the Nation's of the world carry the sword not the Church. And I doubt the Church is very concerned about who is dying as long as it isn't on their own block.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,650 
Location: Vancouver Island
Location: Vancouver Island
March 25th, 2008, 12:35 AM
had done wrong by having wmds,( bleep'wrong), went into that country, killed thousands
and thousands, (bleep-wrong).
When a person, or a country use that kind of arrogance, and elect themselves judge and jury, they are the 'crazys', and
should be feared.
Quoting MHz
no one has the right to 'judge' someone, decide that he/she has 'sinned', then kill him/her, that is too much like bush and friends did in iraq, they decided that saddam
Well the Nation's of the world carry the sword not the Church. And I doubt the Church is very concerned about who is dying as long as it isn't on their own block.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
had done wrong by having wmds,( bleep'wrong), went into that country, killed thousands
and thousands, (bleep-wrong).
When a person, or a country use that kind of arrogance, and elect themselves judge and jury, they are the 'crazys', and
should be feared.
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 25th, 2008, 12:44 AM
I was talking about individual defense, not pre-emtive strikes.
The odds of somebody wanting you dead goes higher the more you piss people off. In theory, 2 Laws, if a person is helping somebody they rarely get killed for it.
In the Church leaven is taking care of by not associating with a 'sinner'. If you can't kill your own sinners why should you be able to kill others for the same sin?
I was talking about individual defense, not pre-emtive strikes.
The odds of somebody wanting you dead goes higher the more you piss people off. In theory, 2 Laws, if a person is helping somebody they rarely get killed for it.
In the Church leaven is taking care of by not associating with a 'sinner'. If you can't kill your own sinners why should you be able to kill others for the same sin?
Time Out
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Location: The desolate but charming outback of the prairies.
Location: The desolate but charming outback of the prairies.
March 25th, 2008, 02:49 AM
McCauley above quoting Revealtions 21, "The fearful, unbelieving...shall have their part in the lake which burneth fire and brimstone (hell)".
Are you McCauly one of those examples of a Christian being better than the God you worship?
Quoting McCaulley
That's very generous of you and we do so apprecaite the chance to live, unless of course we are a threat to Christians, but it seems you are being much too generous in light of what the Book of Myths prescribes for unbelievers:
no, I believe you should treat all people equal, believer and unbeliever, we are all the children of God and so we should treat each other with respect, i do not believe people should be killed in the name of God unless they represent a direct threat to Christians
McCauley above quoting Revealtions 21, "The fearful, unbelieving...shall have their part in the lake which burneth fire and brimstone (hell)".
Are you McCauly one of those examples of a Christian being better than the God you worship?
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,902
Location: Northern California
Location: Northern California
March 25th, 2008, 10:44 AM
As for the lake of fire, well literally seen, it is as described, but spiritually seen, it is a fire that is never quenched.
What does that mean?
All completed vessels the potter makes are done in the furnace.
The furnace of God is as like a lake of fire where all sin is burned off and the vessel is made clean and pure: fit for the glory of God.
God is an all consuming fire, as fire that burns at the heart, that convicts of sin, that leads to repentance from sin, a fire which lives from generation to generation, and dies not.
It is the the conscience of all that is good, the part of the tree that is good and not evil.
The part that burns in believers and unbelievers alike, without distinction.
A threat to Christians is not a proper phrase, because it gives to indicate that Christians are the only good folk.
But rather, it should read, "a threat to life" giving to indicate without distinction.
Christianity teaches forgiveness, to love our enemies, yet, a threat to life maybe still be defensible, but not using religion as an excuse.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting mrgrumpy
A threat to anybody is defensible period!
That's very generous of you and we do so apprecaite the chance to live, unless of course we are a threat to Christians, but it seems you are being much too generous in light of what the Book of Myths prescribes for unbelievers:
McCauley above quoting Revelations 21, "The fearful, unbelieving...shall have their part in the lake which burneth fire and brimstone (hell)".
Are you McCauly one of those examples of a Christian being better than the God you worship?
McCauley above quoting Revelations 21, "The fearful, unbelieving...shall have their part in the lake which burneth fire and brimstone (hell)".
Are you McCauly one of those examples of a Christian being better than the God you worship?
As for the lake of fire, well literally seen, it is as described, but spiritually seen, it is a fire that is never quenched.
What does that mean?
All completed vessels the potter makes are done in the furnace.
The furnace of God is as like a lake of fire where all sin is burned off and the vessel is made clean and pure: fit for the glory of God.
God is an all consuming fire, as fire that burns at the heart, that convicts of sin, that leads to repentance from sin, a fire which lives from generation to generation, and dies not.
It is the the conscience of all that is good, the part of the tree that is good and not evil.
The part that burns in believers and unbelievers alike, without distinction.
A threat to Christians is not a proper phrase, because it gives to indicate that Christians are the only good folk.
But rather, it should read, "a threat to life" giving to indicate without distinction.
Christianity teaches forgiveness, to love our enemies, yet, a threat to life maybe still be defensible, but not using religion as an excuse.
Peace>>>AJ
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March 25th, 2008, 07:29 PM
Quoting McCaulley
Sure they do. You can find posts in this very message board where atheists are blamed for the excesses of communism and Nazism and tin pot dictators like Pol Pot, which is putting the cart before the horse. Nobody murders in the cause of atheism, or if they do I've never heard of it, but history is full of examples of people murdering in the cause of religion.
...no one goes around saying that athiests are murderers
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 25th, 2008, 10:01 PM
If a war is about territory, that has nothing to do with religion. If it has 'riches' involved, it has nothing to do with religion. How many wars involved these elements right off the bat? Integration into the lifestyle would have been the introduction of religion. Rome didn't care about what religion the people (they conquered) practiced, as long as there were no riots and everybody paid their taxes. When the army started losing the RCC was there to 'keep the empire running', making a deal with those who had the swords that they would not interfer with the way things were done by the 'state', and they would preach blind obedience to them.
If a war is about territory, that has nothing to do with religion. If it has 'riches' involved, it has nothing to do with religion. How many wars involved these elements right off the bat? Integration into the lifestyle would have been the introduction of religion. Rome didn't care about what religion the people (they conquered) practiced, as long as there were no riots and everybody paid their taxes. When the army started losing the RCC was there to 'keep the empire running', making a deal with those who had the swords that they would not interfer with the way things were done by the 'state', and they would preach blind obedience to them.
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 26th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Cheap-ass, that only a trailer. If the author was really sincere in educating people it would be free. Do you own any shares in the company?
The 'God' movie is the only movie that recommends you know the ending before you see what paths that can be taken that get you there. That won't stop your stomach from dropping, but the back of your mind will reassure you it isn't a permanent condition.
Cheap-ass, that only a trailer. If the author was really sincere in educating people it would be free. Do you own any shares in the company?
The 'God' movie is the only movie that recommends you know the ending before you see what paths that can be taken that get you there. That won't stop your stomach from dropping, but the back of your mind will reassure you it isn't a permanent condition.
Genius
Posts: 821
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
March 26th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Well it wasn't a link to the promised movie, liar. It was a link to a page of text, with a link to a preview.
The only nails that makes me want to bite are yours. Hard enough that you can't type for a few days.
Other than not being able to get a real job why do you think he's in politics, along with the rest of the 'voted in'.
Well it wasn't a link to the promised movie, liar. It was a link to a page of text, with a link to a preview.
The only nails that makes me want to bite are yours. Hard enough that you can't type for a few days.
Other than not being able to get a real job why do you think he's in politics, along with the rest of the 'voted in'.
