Bright Spark
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March 17th, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
eanassir I do admire your strength of faith. Your tolerance for the sometimes disrespecting replies is commendable. I wish I had your tolerance.
What shall I do when some atheist replies?
Shall I retreat and leave the field to him to say his lies concerning the Glorious God and His noble Quran?
Or shall I reply to him with his same way?
But I answer him with the Glorious Quran which is superior to any created being.
Like His saying – be exalted – in the Quran 7: 117-122 concerning Moses, Pharaoh and the magicians or wizards who competed with his staff:
Shall I retreat and leave the field to him to say his lies concerning the Glorious God and His noble Quran?
Or shall I reply to him with his same way?
But I answer him with the Glorious Quran which is superior to any created being.
Like His saying – be exalted – in the Quran 7: 117-122 concerning Moses, Pharaoh and the magicians or wizards who competed with his staff:
وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى مُوسَى أَنْ أَلْقِ عَصَاكَ فَإِذَا هِيَ تَلْقَفُ مَا يَأْفِكُونَ . فَوَقَعَ الْحَقُّ وَبَطَلَ مَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ . فَغُلِبُواْ هُنَالِكَ وَانقَلَبُواْ صَاغِرِينَ . وَأُلْقِيَ السَّحَرَةُ سَاجِدِينَ . قَالُواْ آمَنَّا بِرِبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ . رَبِّ مُوسَى وَهَارُونَ .
The explanation: (And We revealed to Moses: "Cast your staff." [So he cast it on the ground], and lo, it started to bite [, with its mouth, the ropes] that they falsely devised [ to be snakes before the eyes of the people.]
Thus the truth was vindicated, and all [the sorcery] that they did was made of no effect.
So, at that time and place, they [: the wizards] were defeated, and turned to be humbled.
And the wizards submitted themselves [to Moses.]
Said they: "We believe in the Lord of the worlds."
"Lord of Moses and Asron.")
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
Thus the truth was vindicated, and all [the sorcery] that they did was made of no effect.
So, at that time and place, they [: the wizards] were defeated, and turned to be humbled.
And the wizards submitted themselves [to Moses.]
Said they: "We believe in the Lord of the worlds."
"Lord of Moses and Asron.")
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
March 17th, 2008, 09:06 AM
I wouldn't say that it's in some circumstances at all eanassir. Beef cattle herds I've seen (and I've seen many) engage in homosexual acts on a regular, constant basis.
Quoting eanassir
But I think it is only in some circumstances. These animals show man some lessons, to avoid some bad things and to teach him many things, and to make him alert about many things. Example: to show him the bad consequences in the concerned animals which behave in this abnormal way.
I wouldn't say that it's in some circumstances at all eanassir. Beef cattle herds I've seen (and I've seen many) engage in homosexual acts on a regular, constant basis.
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March 17th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Quoting eanassir
God – be glorified – did not say in the Quran that He forbade the pork for this reason, nor had He said so in the Torah. He only said: do not eat the pork.
Yes I know neither the Quran nor the Torah offer reasons for their dietary rules. You did: you claimed people who eat pork will behave like pigs, one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard and completely unsupported by any evidence. Now you're claiming you've observed that people can change to physically resemble creatures they spend a lot of time with, and you offer that in support of your original claim, not realizing it's a completely separate claim and just as dumb. Didn't you learn anything about cause and effect in medical school, or how to observe and analyze evidence? I can't believe you're any good as a diagnostician with thinking skills like that.
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March 17th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Trying to dictate observances of the law to people will only kill the spirit of the soul which the law was intended to do.
The law condemns and does not give life! The law addresses what is already but does not touch the heart.
Speak rather to those things which lead to life rather than to condemnation.
For from condemnation is where we all need to rise from, for originally, we are all condemned, are placed in the dark if you will, and any light given to wards salvation from that condemnation is what the souls seek.
So why not shed light on the darkness that is, and help someone rise above it, leaving the heart to change the world.
Peace>>>AJ
Trying to dictate observances of the law to people will only kill the spirit of the soul which the law was intended to do.
The law condemns and does not give life! The law addresses what is already but does not touch the heart.
Speak rather to those things which lead to life rather than to condemnation.
For from condemnation is where we all need to rise from, for originally, we are all condemned, are placed in the dark if you will, and any light given to wards salvation from that condemnation is what the souls seek.
So why not shed light on the darkness that is, and help someone rise above it, leaving the heart to change the world.
Peace>>>AJ
Bright Spark
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March 17th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Quoting look3467
I don't personally place any credit on dreams but do respect others who do.
For salvation came not by the law but by grace.
Love can not be topped, but everything else below it can.
For salvation came not by the law but by grace.
Love can not be topped, but everything else below it can.
We see tens of dreams every night, but most of that will be forgotten.
I saw only several dreams that are worthy and true. This I think is applied to all people.
This dream about Abu-abdAllah, the Christ and the two angels was very clear, true and in fact it was a vision.
Click here:
The vision (or the dream)
Truly the salvation will be by the grace of God, to every one that follows all the apostles of God without discrimination (: the discrimination here is to believe in some and to disbelieve some others.)
If he really believes in Moses, why doesn't he believe in Jesus? And if he believes in Jesus, why doesn't he believe in Mohammed? That is because the sender is the same God. Or else he refuses the will of God, and wants God to follow his own opinion and desire; telling Him: This apostle whom you have sent, I shall believe him; but that apostle, I shall not follow; because he is one of the Arab.
Prophet Ahmed as Mentioned in the Gospel
The Commandment of Love:
Man should love Jesus and all the rest of the prophets, but should love God more than all these apostles. This is in the Quran 2: 165
I saw only several dreams that are worthy and true. This I think is applied to all people.
This dream about Abu-abdAllah, the Christ and the two angels was very clear, true and in fact it was a vision.
Click here:
The vision (or the dream)
Truly the salvation will be by the grace of God, to every one that follows all the apostles of God without discrimination (: the discrimination here is to believe in some and to disbelieve some others.)
If he really believes in Moses, why doesn't he believe in Jesus? And if he believes in Jesus, why doesn't he believe in Mohammed? That is because the sender is the same God. Or else he refuses the will of God, and wants God to follow his own opinion and desire; telling Him: This apostle whom you have sent, I shall believe him; but that apostle, I shall not follow; because he is one of the Arab.
Prophet Ahmed as Mentioned in the Gospel
The Commandment of Love:
Man should love Jesus and all the rest of the prophets, but should love God more than all these apostles. This is in the Quran 2: 165
وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ أَندَاداً يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَشَدُّ حُبًّا لِّلّهِ ...
The explanation: (Yet [some] of people choose [to worship], other than God, rivals [to God]; they love [these rivals] as God should be loved. – But those who believe love God more ardently …)
If you love Jesus, then do not be enthusiastic, in order that Jesus will love you, but if you say about the Christ things that he does not agree on the pretext that you love him; I don't think he will agree, neither will he pat on your shoulder; but he may say to you:
If you love Jesus, then do not be enthusiastic, in order that Jesus will love you, but if you say about the Christ things that he does not agree on the pretext that you love him; I don't think he will agree, neither will he pat on your shoulder; but he may say to you:
as did he say to the one who merely called him " good teacher" as in the Gospel according to Luke 18: 19 "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except for one: that is God."
Yes do love Jesus, but do not exaggerate in your love, so that you may ascribe to him the attributes of God, or that he is son of God, or that He is God Himself – this is not logical; this evidently is the top of enthusiasm.
If you say: Jesus Christ is the apostle of God, and the son of man; but do not say he is the son of God or he is God Himself, then Jesus will be delighted with you, and God will be pleased with you.
Bright Spark
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March 17th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Quoting look3467
So why not shed light on the darkness that is, and help someone rise above it, leaving the heart to change the world.
This is in the Quran 14: 1
الَر كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ
The explanation: (Alif, Lam, Ra. That means: Recite To people O Messenger.
A scripture [: the Quran] that We have revealed to you [Mohammed] that you may bring people out of darkness [of the ignorance and association with God] into light [of science and knowledge] with permission of their Lord*, to the way of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy.)
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*God guides whomever is worthy of the guidance [being good-hearted and is kind to widows, orphans and the poor]; God will instruct His angels to inspire him that the religion of the Islam is the last heavenly religion, and the Quran is true, and Prophet Mohammed is truthful, and the idols are stones do not know anything, and the idolatry and the association with God should be abandoned; angels will go on inspiring this man such thoughts [and he is usually unaware] until he will be convinced and will convert.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.741.com
A scripture [: the Quran] that We have revealed to you [Mohammed] that you may bring people out of darkness [of the ignorance and association with God] into light [of science and knowledge] with permission of their Lord*, to the way of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy.)
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*God guides whomever is worthy of the guidance [being good-hearted and is kind to widows, orphans and the poor]; God will instruct His angels to inspire him that the religion of the Islam is the last heavenly religion, and the Quran is true, and Prophet Mohammed is truthful, and the idols are stones do not know anything, and the idolatry and the association with God should be abandoned; angels will go on inspiring this man such thoughts [and he is usually unaware] until he will be convinced and will convert.
eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.741.com
