Mighty Intellect
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October 22nd, 2007, 12:47 PM
That again, becomes a matter of choice.
Take for instance the Holocaust, the Jews could of have defended themselves but chose not to.
Americans,as well as other countries, though many are Christians also will defend themselves based on those same terms.
So, what is it that one can allow, what can one's conscience allow and what are we willing to sacrifice to maintain law and order?
That again is up to the individual.
There is no standard to my thinking that everyone should tow, other than the standard for everyone to love one another.
But, sometimes in cases as we have spoken about, the decision belongs to the individual.
The best example I can think of, of a person not wanting to kill another person in a war situation, was Mohammad Ali, the boxer as well as many of the conscientious objectors as well, for they were led by what they believed was right.
I saw in a documentary film one time of a priest blessing the airplane that was about to go on a bombing run, and at the same time they showed the opposite side, the enemy,doing the same thing.
Now that has to make one wonder just who is right and who is wrong.
The problem I saw and see is that humanity was as like two brothers of different religious beliefs quarreling over who should be right in the name of the same God.
Thing is, that God can adjust the circumstances of advantage to fit the ones whose heart is purer .
It is mostly the relative few of humanity which causes the whole to wars because of radical thinking, lusts for power, money and wealth.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Unforgiven
That is a valid point! If the enemy comes to kill you because of their beliefs, you have a right to defend yourself.
Only if in their belief they acted to force their beliefs in any manner upon me.
I believe in the right to live your life the way you see fit as long as it doesn't interfere with the next guy doing just that. So to believe opposite of that along with other things, would mean that I in the interest of self preservation must respond in kind with enough force to deter any attempt at oppression.
I believe in the right to live your life the way you see fit as long as it doesn't interfere with the next guy doing just that. So to believe opposite of that along with other things, would mean that I in the interest of self preservation must respond in kind with enough force to deter any attempt at oppression.
That again, becomes a matter of choice.
Take for instance the Holocaust, the Jews could of have defended themselves but chose not to.
Americans,as well as other countries, though many are Christians also will defend themselves based on those same terms.
So, what is it that one can allow, what can one's conscience allow and what are we willing to sacrifice to maintain law and order?
That again is up to the individual.
There is no standard to my thinking that everyone should tow, other than the standard for everyone to love one another.
But, sometimes in cases as we have spoken about, the decision belongs to the individual.
The best example I can think of, of a person not wanting to kill another person in a war situation, was Mohammad Ali, the boxer as well as many of the conscientious objectors as well, for they were led by what they believed was right.
I saw in a documentary film one time of a priest blessing the airplane that was about to go on a bombing run, and at the same time they showed the opposite side, the enemy,doing the same thing.
Now that has to make one wonder just who is right and who is wrong.
The problem I saw and see is that humanity was as like two brothers of different religious beliefs quarreling over who should be right in the name of the same God.
Thing is, that God can adjust the circumstances of advantage to fit the ones whose heart is purer .
It is mostly the relative few of humanity which causes the whole to wars because of radical thinking, lusts for power, money and wealth.
Peace>>>AJ
Steven Hawking's Tutor
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October 22nd, 2007, 01:08 PM
Any thoughts about "life" existing in the universe that doesn't entertain your fantasies about "god"?
What if, substances in the universe combine over long periods of time to produce something we come along and call "life"? I'll bet you're the kind of guy who'd champion the cause of corralling these beings into the same school of thought as your own.....
It'd be really important to your way of thinking I'd speculate to investigate that "life's" "belief system(s) and compare them to your own....would I be right?
Any thoughts about "life" existing in the universe that doesn't entertain your fantasies about "god"?
What if, substances in the universe combine over long periods of time to produce something we come along and call "life"? I'll bet you're the kind of guy who'd champion the cause of corralling these beings into the same school of thought as your own.....
It'd be really important to your way of thinking I'd speculate to investigate that "life's" "belief system(s) and compare them to your own....would I be right?
Mighty Intellect
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Location: Northern California
Location: Northern California
October 22nd, 2007, 03:46 PM
I mean wouldn't you?
Peace>>>AJ
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If life is out there, yes, I'd be interested because as I understand the bible, it only gives me the information that is vital to my existence here on earth, so anything new, sure would be interesting.
Any thoughts about "life" existing in the universe that doesn't entertain your fantasies about "god"?>>>MikeyDB
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Need ask me about that, just look at history, evidence of that is all around.
What if, substances in the universe combine over long periods of time to produce something we come along and call "life"? I'll bet you're the kind of guy who'd champion the cause of corralling these beings into the same school of thought as your own.....>>>MikeyDB
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Important? Yes, absolutely. For if I live by a standard which I believe to be inclusive of all beliefs, then I'd want to know it they did too.
It'd be really important to your way of thinking I'd speculate to investigate that "life's" "belief system(s) and compare them to your own....would I be right?>>>MikeyDB
I mean wouldn't you?
Peace>>>AJ
Clever Clogs
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October 23rd, 2007, 02:19 AM
Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and all other prophets and apostles worked according to the will of God – be glorified. These instructions like the soul for soul, a tooth for tooth, an eye for an eye implicate the justice; that neither Jesus nor any other prophet can deny (even God recognizes that and he legislated that law); but still the pardoning and forgiving is better. In fact all these respectful prophets invited people to pardon and forgiving each other; this will be better than retaliation, but still the one who has been wronged can take his rights.
Of course, such are the high morale and teachings of our noble teacher Jesus Christ – peace be on him – like the noble conduct of our guide Prophet Mohammed – peace be on him.
Concerning Jesus Christ, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 3: 45-46
Quoting look3467
Prophet Moses was given the law, and by the law, Moses could destroy human life... Peace>>>AJ
Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and all other prophets and apostles worked according to the will of God – be glorified. These instructions like the soul for soul, a tooth for tooth, an eye for an eye implicate the justice; that neither Jesus nor any other prophet can deny (even God recognizes that and he legislated that law); but still the pardoning and forgiving is better. In fact all these respectful prophets invited people to pardon and forgiving each other; this will be better than retaliation, but still the one who has been wronged can take his rights.
Of course, such are the high morale and teachings of our noble teacher Jesus Christ – peace be on him – like the noble conduct of our guide Prophet Mohammed – peace be on him.
Concerning Jesus Christ, God – be glorified – said in the Quran 3: 45-46
إِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلآئِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ بِكَلِمَةٍ مِّنْهُ اسْمُهُ الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالآخِرَةِ وَمِنَ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ . وَيُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلاً وَمِنَ الصَّالِحِينَ
The explanation: (And when the angels said: "O Mary! God gives you a glad tidings of [bearing a child, in spite of being virgin, who is] a Word from Him [: God created him without father by saying: 'Be' and he was as God willed], whose name is the Christ: Jesus, the son of Mary, honorable in the World and in the Hereafter and one of those favorites brought close [in the neighborhood of God.]"
"And he will speak to people [when he will be a baby] in the cradle, and when he will be a middle-aged man, and will be one of the righteous [prophets.]")
Similarly our noble Prophet Mohammed, after he conquered Mecca, he captured his enemies: those who fought him and killed his comrades and compelled him to leave his own hometown, and he said to them: "What do you think I am going to do to you?" They said: "We expect of you every good: you are our noble brother, and the son of our noble brother!" He said to them: "Then go; you are released; you are free." And he pardoned and released them.
eanassir "And he will speak to people [when he will be a baby] in the cradle, and when he will be a middle-aged man, and will be one of the righteous [prophets.]")
Similarly our noble Prophet Mohammed, after he conquered Mecca, he captured his enemies: those who fought him and killed his comrades and compelled him to leave his own hometown, and he said to them: "What do you think I am going to do to you?" They said: "We expect of you every good: you are our noble brother, and the son of our noble brother!" He said to them: "Then go; you are released; you are free." And he pardoned and released them.
Clever Clogs
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October 23rd, 2007, 02:43 AM
In case you see – whether on Earth or on another planet – a house with a door, windows, a kitchen, a bathroom, a store, a living-room, w.c., sleeping rooms and furniture; can you believe it has been spontaneously built without any builder nor is there any owner of it?
And if you see 10 houses or more, constructed in the same way and in the same order, won't you believe that the builder is the same one?
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.comhttp://universeandquran.741.com
Quoting MikeyDB
Any thoughts about "life" existing in the universe that doesn't entertain your fantasies about "god"?
What if, substances in the universe combine over long periods of time to produce something we come along and call "life"? I'll bet you're the kind of guy who'd champion the cause of corralling these beings into the same school of thought as your own.....
It'd be really important to your way of thinking I'd speculate to investigate that "life's" "belief system(s) and compare them to your own....would I be right?
What if, substances in the universe combine over long periods of time to produce something we come along and call "life"? I'll bet you're the kind of guy who'd champion the cause of corralling these beings into the same school of thought as your own.....
It'd be really important to your way of thinking I'd speculate to investigate that "life's" "belief system(s) and compare them to your own....would I be right?
In case you see – whether on Earth or on another planet – a house with a door, windows, a kitchen, a bathroom, a store, a living-room, w.c., sleeping rooms and furniture; can you believe it has been spontaneously built without any builder nor is there any owner of it?
And if you see 10 houses or more, constructed in the same way and in the same order, won't you believe that the builder is the same one?
eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
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October 23rd, 2007, 03:33 AM
I think the parameters and data of Mars are not fixed; they are vulnerable to changes day by day.
The constituents of the planets, being of the same origin, is almost similar, but not necessarily identical; they are earths like our earths, with some difference regarding their different masses, the length of the day and night there on the planets, and the duration of the year of any planet. There should also be some difference in the atmospheric pressure of each planet according to the height of its atmosphere; the origin of the atmosphere is from the planet itself: the gases constituents of the atmosphere of all planets may be similar, but not necessarily identical.
http://universeandquran.741.com/#The Planets
eanassir
Quoting #juan
I have a feeling that the most likely precipitation on Mars would be a sort of sleet, made up of water ice and C02. I'm pretty sure the polar caps are both water ice and dry ice. Given the atmospheric pressure, liquid rain is unlikely.
http://tinyurl.com/yp63om
http://tinyurl.com/yp63om
I think the parameters and data of Mars are not fixed; they are vulnerable to changes day by day.
The constituents of the planets, being of the same origin, is almost similar, but not necessarily identical; they are earths like our earths, with some difference regarding their different masses, the length of the day and night there on the planets, and the duration of the year of any planet. There should also be some difference in the atmospheric pressure of each planet according to the height of its atmosphere; the origin of the atmosphere is from the planet itself: the gases constituents of the atmosphere of all planets may be similar, but not necessarily identical.
http://universeandquran.741.com/#The Planets
-The atmosphere of the planets
eanassir
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October 23rd, 2007, 04:00 AM
The Quran foretells a future meeting with the people of Mars.
See:
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
eanassir
Quoting hermanntrude
And they may find rivers, seas and people. As did I say in an article:
Juan, let me direct you to this thread. This is the only sure-fire evidence for water on mars so far
The Quran foretells a future meeting with the people of Mars.
See:
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
eanassir
