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October 4th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Example: Did your dad ever tell you what a hellish place this was prior to your being born?
So would you say you felt deceived?
First they brought you in to this world without your consent, then they didn't tell you that this place was a hellish place , until you had to discover it for your self, and by then you probably said the hell with it all.
Wouldn't that make you sort of angry, at them especially, if this world did turn out to be hell?
Similarly, mankind is angry at God, for what was God thinking? You'd think that If God were real, He'd make a perfect place for us to live in without any pain or suffering.
So yeah, I've got something to get my hackles up about, but, when I found out why I was brought in, and discovered what love really is, then my anger went away and my God is ever so wonderful, Holy and just.
I can only feel for those who have not discovered it yet, for they are the ones who fuel the need for me to demonstrate compassion, and one without discrimination as to what they believe.
If anybody can top that, then I am just wasting my time.
Peace>>>AJ
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My friend, the beginning of creation was a mis-led.
because the same God will mislead many as will He guide many on Earth and on the planets.>>>eanassir
Example: Did your dad ever tell you what a hellish place this was prior to your being born?
So would you say you felt deceived?
First they brought you in to this world without your consent, then they didn't tell you that this place was a hellish place , until you had to discover it for your self, and by then you probably said the hell with it all.
Wouldn't that make you sort of angry, at them especially, if this world did turn out to be hell?
Similarly, mankind is angry at God, for what was God thinking? You'd think that If God were real, He'd make a perfect place for us to live in without any pain or suffering.
So yeah, I've got something to get my hackles up about, but, when I found out why I was brought in, and discovered what love really is, then my anger went away and my God is ever so wonderful, Holy and just.
I can only feel for those who have not discovered it yet, for they are the ones who fuel the need for me to demonstrate compassion, and one without discrimination as to what they believe.
If anybody can top that, then I am just wasting my time.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 4th, 2007, 11:09 PM
First of all, there is little chance of intelligent life on any planet other than Earth in our solar system and you know that.
Secondly, don't use the Quran as an astronomical guide. The writers didn't know what they were talking about and you know that too.
Third, with your command of the English language, there is only a tiny chance you are as ignorant as you show yourself. You are putting us on. Take your silly show somewhere else. Please
Quoting eanassir
eanassir.
Don't you see the solar system created with wisdom to bear life? For example: the different axis inclinations of the planets according to their different distances from the sun; to counteract for the expected coldness of some faraway planets.
The planets have day and night because of their spinning around themselves, and seasons because of their orbitting the sun and because of their axis inclinations, etc.
The existence of water has been proved in some of the planets; this indicates the existence of life there.
I think the atheist, and here is an excellent example is fanatic about his atheism, just like the polytheist. So that he insists on his atheism; but it will be the same: there will be found atheists and polythiests there; because the same God will mislead many as will He guide many on Earth and on the planets.
eanassir.
The planets have day and night because of their spinning around themselves, and seasons because of their orbitting the sun and because of their axis inclinations, etc.
The existence of water has been proved in some of the planets; this indicates the existence of life there.
I think the atheist, and here is an excellent example is fanatic about his atheism, just like the polytheist. So that he insists on his atheism; but it will be the same: there will be found atheists and polythiests there; because the same God will mislead many as will He guide many on Earth and on the planets.
eanassir.
First of all, there is little chance of intelligent life on any planet other than Earth in our solar system and you know that.
Secondly, don't use the Quran as an astronomical guide. The writers didn't know what they were talking about and you know that too.
Third, with your command of the English language, there is only a tiny chance you are as ignorant as you show yourself. You are putting us on. Take your silly show somewhere else. Please
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October 5th, 2007, 12:56 AM
Second: God revealed the Quran, which is known by heart, like you know a peom by heart, so that if anyone read the Quran with some wrong word by mistake, there will be many who will immediately correct for him his mistake; the Quran is known by heart by many non-Arab who even do not know its meaning. The Quran is concize book; this is in comparison to the Holy Bible which is extensive, and only its translations are available, but not the original one.
Thirdly: I know there are some who make language mistakes more than I do. Then I should not compel anyone to believe, and even I cannot do that; I shall only reply to those who object or ask.
eanassir.
Quoting #juan
First:I say there is intelligent life on Mars and some other planets with the exception of Mercury and Venus.
eanassir.
First of all, there is little chance of intelligent life on any planet other than Earth in our solar system and you know that.
Secondly, don't use the Quran as an astronomical guide. The writers didn't know what they were talking about and you know that too.
Third, with your command of the English language, there is only a tiny chance you are as ignorant as you show yourself. You are putting us on. Take your silly show somewhere else. Please
First of all, there is little chance of intelligent life on any planet other than Earth in our solar system and you know that.
Secondly, don't use the Quran as an astronomical guide. The writers didn't know what they were talking about and you know that too.
Third, with your command of the English language, there is only a tiny chance you are as ignorant as you show yourself. You are putting us on. Take your silly show somewhere else. Please
Second: God revealed the Quran, which is known by heart, like you know a peom by heart, so that if anyone read the Quran with some wrong word by mistake, there will be many who will immediately correct for him his mistake; the Quran is known by heart by many non-Arab who even do not know its meaning. The Quran is concize book; this is in comparison to the Holy Bible which is extensive, and only its translations are available, but not the original one.
Thirdly: I know there are some who make language mistakes more than I do. Then I should not compel anyone to believe, and even I cannot do that; I shall only reply to those who object or ask.
eanassir.
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October 19th, 2007, 09:25 PM
Also even if life existed on mars it evolved there something you Koran does not mention at all , even though we know it to be the cause for all life on earth and the cause for any life we might find outside earth . Don't worry I'am sure you will find a way to stretch the meaning of an Arabic verse to somehow hint at evolution then tell us how wise and inspired the author was .
Also SETI has been scanning the skies for radio signals for some time now do you honestly believe that intelligent life could exist so close but yet be unnoticed ? wait it could be a genie .
Quoting eanassir
There is not intelligent life on mars . You can say what you want but we've been studying the planet for years now not to mention there are currently two robots on mars roaming two opposite sides of the planet and they haven't even found bacteria let alone an intelligent life form . Secondly don't you think that if intelligent life existed on mars there's be ruins ? artifacts ? buildings ? Wait was there a flood on mars too ?
First:I say there is intelligent life on Mars and some other planets with the exception of Mercury and Venus.
Second: God revealed the Quran, which is known by heart, like you know a peom by heart, so that if anyone read the Quran with some wrong word by mistake, there will be many who will immediately correct for him his mistake; the Quran is known by heart by many non-Arab who even do not know its meaning. The Quran is concize book; this is in comparison to the Holy Bible which is extensive, and only its translations are available, but not the original one.
Thirdly: I know there are some who make language mistakes more than I do. Then I should not compel anyone to believe, and even I cannot do that; I shall only reply to those who object or ask.
eanassir.
Second: God revealed the Quran, which is known by heart, like you know a peom by heart, so that if anyone read the Quran with some wrong word by mistake, there will be many who will immediately correct for him his mistake; the Quran is known by heart by many non-Arab who even do not know its meaning. The Quran is concize book; this is in comparison to the Holy Bible which is extensive, and only its translations are available, but not the original one.
Thirdly: I know there are some who make language mistakes more than I do. Then I should not compel anyone to believe, and even I cannot do that; I shall only reply to those who object or ask.
eanassir.
Also even if life existed on mars it evolved there something you Koran does not mention at all , even though we know it to be the cause for all life on earth and the cause for any life we might find outside earth . Don't worry I'am sure you will find a way to stretch the meaning of an Arabic verse to somehow hint at evolution then tell us how wise and inspired the author was .
Also SETI has been scanning the skies for radio signals for some time now do you honestly believe that intelligent life could exist so close but yet be unnoticed ? wait it could be a genie .
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October 20th, 2007, 12:20 AM
Quoting Minority Observer84
There is not intelligent life on mars ...
Many of our friends in the forum have not read my article thoroughly, neither have they referred to our website to examine the subject carefully; but only they kept on saying: this is wrong, this is false and this is not scientific.
If you refer to our site:
http://universeandquran.741.com
And see there:
The planets are inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
You, then, may realize the answer.
As regards to their robots and rovers there on Mars:
The images are not so precise [I checked this by e-mailing some scientists related to NASA] The images are not the raw copies, which have undergone some modifications and processing; because the original images are so ambiguous, and they said such raw images are obtainable from NASA.
Such images were taken by using different light wavelengths, picked and transmitted by using some computerized programs, which may be defective, or at least because the distance is very far; and this what they could obtain.
This does not mean that the researchers there are not excellent, or that they do this for some purpose; but this is the situation.
Therefore, a dark area may in fact be a large city or a lake or a forest …etc.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
However, the Glorious Quran points out to the existence of extraterrestrial life in many of the Quranic revelations:
In this respect, I refer you to the first soora (or chapter) of the Quran, which is the key-soora of the Quran:
The second aya in the first soora is:
If you refer to our site:
http://universeandquran.741.com
And see there:
The planets are inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
You, then, may realize the answer.
As regards to their robots and rovers there on Mars:
The images are not so precise [I checked this by e-mailing some scientists related to NASA] The images are not the raw copies, which have undergone some modifications and processing; because the original images are so ambiguous, and they said such raw images are obtainable from NASA.
Such images were taken by using different light wavelengths, picked and transmitted by using some computerized programs, which may be defective, or at least because the distance is very far; and this what they could obtain.
This does not mean that the researchers there are not excellent, or that they do this for some purpose; but this is the situation.
Therefore, a dark area may in fact be a large city or a lake or a forest …etc.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
However, the Glorious Quran points out to the existence of extraterrestrial life in many of the Quranic revelations:
In this respect, I refer you to the first soora (or chapter) of the Quran, which is the key-soora of the Quran:
The second aya in the first soora is:
الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
The explanation: (Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.)
The 'worlds' here is in plural.
Then check this in all the translations of the meaning of the Glorious Quran [although the translation is not the Quran, but only the translation of its interpretation.]
eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com The 'worlds' here is in plural.
Then check this in all the translations of the meaning of the Glorious Quran [although the translation is not the Quran, but only the translation of its interpretation.]
eanassir
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October 20th, 2007, 12:47 AM
The purpose is to live in this World as an examination and trial, and that the soul will grow inside the body until adulthood and maturity, and that man will have experience and his wisdom will grow, and will choose his way:
http://man-after-death.741.com/1.htm..._the_Hereafter
eanassir.
Quoting look3467
My friend, the beginning of creation was a mis-led.
Example: Did your dad ever tell you what a hellish place this was prior to your being born?
....Peace>>>AJ
Example: Did your dad ever tell you what a hellish place this was prior to your being born?
....Peace>>>AJ
The purpose is to live in this World as an examination and trial, and that the soul will grow inside the body until adulthood and maturity, and that man will have experience and his wisdom will grow, and will choose his way:
- In case he is a wrong-doer who transgress on people, then God will mislead him, and will be an idolater, athiest or associater and Satan will have control over him leading him to immerse in sins, particularly the association with God contrary to the First Commandment; so he will go to Hell on the Judgment Day.
- And in case he works the righteous work, helps the poor and the weak,and honors the parents, then God will guide him to the monotheism: to serve God alone and exclusively without associating anyone or anything with Him, and so He will admit him to Paradise where he will prosper forever, with the goodpleasure of God, and there he will have all joys: drinking, eating, having sexual contact with his wives, and talking with his righteous friends: no disease, insects, tiredness, depression or anxiety, and they will praise their Lord Who created them in order to bestow on them His grace and mercy; but wrong-doers chose the opposite.
http://man-after-death.741.com/1.htm..._the_Hereafter
eanassir.
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October 20th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Where as for me, my reward is Jesus, and I have nothing to gain other than His saving me from my, as you put it, “this World as an examination and trial”.
Yes, I grow in wisdom as I mature, but not for personal reward or gain, for Jesus Himself said: Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
For me to just be in the presence of God alone is my reward sufficient.
I don’t need any enticements of the physical pleasure kind, for all of that are worldly pleasures.
Peace>>>AJ
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Well, my friend, all well and good that you have those words only to guide you to that blissful and rewarding joys of drinking, eating, sexual contacts which only lead me to believe that all of it is for your own personal gain and pleasure. The purpose is to live in this World as an examination and trial, and that the soul will grow inside the body until adulthood and maturity, and that man will have experience and his wisdom will grow, and will choose his way:
- In case he is a wrong-doer who transgress on people, then God will mislead him, and will be an idolater, athiest or associater and Satan will have control over him leading him to immerse in sins, particularly the association with God contrary to the First Commandment; so he will go to Hell on the Judgment Day.
- And in case he works the righteous work, helps the poor and the weak,and honors the parents, then God will guide him to the monotheism: to serve God alone and exclusively without associating anyone or anything with Him, and so He will admit him to Paradise where he will prosper forever, with the goodpleasure of God, and there he will have all joys: drinking, eating, having sexual contact with his wives, and talking with his righteous friends: no disease, insects, tiredness, depression or anxiety, and they will praise their Lord Who created them in order to bestow on them His grace and mercy; but wrong-doers chose the opposite. >>>eanassir
Where as for me, my reward is Jesus, and I have nothing to gain other than His saving me from my, as you put it, “this World as an examination and trial”.
Yes, I grow in wisdom as I mature, but not for personal reward or gain, for Jesus Himself said: Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
For me to just be in the presence of God alone is my reward sufficient.
I don’t need any enticements of the physical pleasure kind, for all of that are worldly pleasures.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 20th, 2007, 02:13 PM
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The atmospheric pressure on Mars is in the order of one percent of that on Earth. This means that liquid water cannot exist anywhere on the planet. Without liquid water lakes, forests, and cities are pretty much impossible. Get another book. Therefore, a dark area may in fact be a large city or a lake or a forest …etc.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
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October 20th, 2007, 09:51 PM
This is the enthusiasm, and this is the top of enthusiasm; in fact it is more than idolatry; this is the association with God; you associate Jesus with God: you have made him an associate or partner with God concerning your servitude and glorification: that you serve Jesus as do you serve God the Creator, and you glorify Jesus as do you glorify God; this is contrary to the purpose of Jesus Christ that he invited people to God alone and considered the First Commandment as the most important of all the commandments: that is to serve God alone. This association with God will lead to complete loss in the next world; and even Jesus cannot save the associater who associates others with God.
You make no distinction between God and Jesus; while:
In Paradise, not only the physical pleasures are obtained; but the good pleasure of God. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 9: 72
Quoting look3467
Where as for me, my reward is Jesus ...
Where as for me, my reward is Jesus ...
This is the enthusiasm, and this is the top of enthusiasm; in fact it is more than idolatry; this is the association with God; you associate Jesus with God: you have made him an associate or partner with God concerning your servitude and glorification: that you serve Jesus as do you serve God the Creator, and you glorify Jesus as do you glorify God; this is contrary to the purpose of Jesus Christ that he invited people to God alone and considered the First Commandment as the most important of all the commandments: that is to serve God alone. This association with God will lead to complete loss in the next world; and even Jesus cannot save the associater who associates others with God.
You make no distinction between God and Jesus; while:
- God is the Creator, and Jesus is the created.
- God is the Eternal, Who does not die; while Jesus lived for many years like other prophets and like other people, then died, and his soul –like other prophets – went to the neighborhood of his Lord.
- God is not a son of man, while Jesus is a son of man, like other people.
- Jesus is an apostle or a messenger sent by God, and the apostle or the one sent is never greater than He that sends him.
- God does not eat and drink, while Jesus – like other people – ate food and drank water; the natural result of the eating food and drinking water is to pass bowel motion and urine: how can such man be a god?
- Jesus was born of a woman; while God was not begotten; He is the Eternal.
In Paradise, not only the physical pleasures are obtained; but the good pleasure of God. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 9: 72
وَعَدَ اللّهُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا وَمَسَاكِنَ طَيِّبَةً فِي جَنَّاتِ عَدْنٍ وَرِضْوَانٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ أَكْبَرُ ذَلِكَ هُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
The explanation: (God has [in the Quran] promised to the believers, [both] men and women, gardens [in the Hereafter] – below [the trees of ] which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever – and good dwellings in the seven gardens; and God's good pleasure will be [to them] greater [than the gardens]; that [prosperity and good pleasure] is [certainly] the great success [in the Hereafter.] )
Jesus and the rest of prophets desire and hope in having such good pleasure of God, and that God – be glorified – will be pleased with them.
eanassir
Jesus and the rest of prophets desire and hope in having such good pleasure of God, and that God – be glorified – will be pleased with them.
eanassir
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October 20th, 2007, 10:00 PM
Then how can ice be present in large amounts in the polar regions of Mars? and where such ice go after it melt in summer?
In case there are frozen regions on Mars, then there should be equatorial hot regions, and other intermediate regions with moderate temperatures.
After moderation of the raw images of Mars: trying to make such images clearer, it may be the surface details have been obscured or fainted away; for the purpose of focusing!?
Quoting #juan
The atmospheric pressure on Mars is in the order of one percent of that on Earth. This means that liquid water cannot exist anywhere on the planet. Without liquid water lakes, forests, and cities are pretty much impossible. Get another book.
Then how can ice be present in large amounts in the polar regions of Mars? and where such ice go after it melt in summer?
In case there are frozen regions on Mars, then there should be equatorial hot regions, and other intermediate regions with moderate temperatures.
After moderation of the raw images of Mars: trying to make such images clearer, it may be the surface details have been obscured or fainted away; for the purpose of focusing!?
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October 20th, 2007, 10:44 PM
Eanassir,
I’ve got one up on you.
Look, you judged me as a condemned adulterer, because of your beliefs.
In my belief, I neither judge you nor condemn you, but instead include your soul with mine as purchased in Jesus.
I can not convince you to believe my way, nor can you convince me to believe your way.
But I can tell you right now, your beliefs will not have any tolerance for mine, while mine has all the tolerance for yours.
You know what I am talking about, if I were considered an infidel, would I be welcomed into your house?
Where as I, would consider you of a different religious belief, I would still welcome you into my house.
[an-Nisa' 4:89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
You see what I am getting at?
Jesus said, love your enemies : Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Christianities teachings says that you are condemned because you don’t believe Jesus is God, as you say that I am condemned because I make Jesus as God.
But I say what Jesus says: Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Peace>>>AJ
Eanassir,
I’ve got one up on you.
Look, you judged me as a condemned adulterer, because of your beliefs.
In my belief, I neither judge you nor condemn you, but instead include your soul with mine as purchased in Jesus.
I can not convince you to believe my way, nor can you convince me to believe your way.
But I can tell you right now, your beliefs will not have any tolerance for mine, while mine has all the tolerance for yours.
You know what I am talking about, if I were considered an infidel, would I be welcomed into your house?
Where as I, would consider you of a different religious belief, I would still welcome you into my house.
[an-Nisa' 4:89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
You see what I am getting at?
Jesus said, love your enemies : Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Christianities teachings says that you are condemned because you don’t believe Jesus is God, as you say that I am condemned because I make Jesus as God.
But I say what Jesus says: Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Peace>>>AJ
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October 21st, 2007, 10:00 PM
Reply 1:
It is the enthusiasm that has led many of people to be atheists and to be anti-religious; because they see the religion displayed to them non-logical and non-sense. The story of Prophet Jesus and that God united with Him through incarnation, and the complex interpretations that have to be followed and believed in spite of being non-logical and non-sense have enhanced the atheism.
While all this is not from God, but fabricated by many religious leaders and adopted and encouraged by many political chiefs and through successive generations, until the original pure Messianic monotheistic mission was completely distorted, to become something like idolatry, and the monotheism turned into tritheism.
Concerning the Quranic revelation 4: 89
Reply 1:
It is the enthusiasm that has led many of people to be atheists and to be anti-religious; because they see the religion displayed to them non-logical and non-sense. The story of Prophet Jesus and that God united with Him through incarnation, and the complex interpretations that have to be followed and believed in spite of being non-logical and non-sense have enhanced the atheism.
While all this is not from God, but fabricated by many religious leaders and adopted and encouraged by many political chiefs and through successive generations, until the original pure Messianic monotheistic mission was completely distorted, to become something like idolatry, and the monotheism turned into tritheism.
Concerning the Quranic revelation 4: 89
وَدُّواْ لَوْ تَكْفُرُونَ كَمَا كَفَرُواْ فَتَكُونُونَ سَوَاء فَلاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ مِنْهُمْ أَوْلِيَاء حَتَّىَ يُهَاجِرُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَخُذُوهُمْ وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ وَجَدتَّمُوهُمْ وَلاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ مِنْهُمْ وَلِيًّا وَلاَ نَصِيرًا
The explanation: (They long that you [believers] should disbelieve even as have they disbelieved, so that you may be equal [with them in being disbelievers.] So take for yourselves no friends from among them till they emigrate in the cause of God; but if they turn away [from you and from believing in your prophet-hood] then seize them and slay them wherever you find them, and take for yourselves no friend nor helper from among them.)
This aya, and the preceding one, was revealed concerning some hypocrites that came to Medina where Prophet Mohammed was; they pretended to convert and become Muslims; then they returned to Mecca and apostatized from the Islam.
However, in case Prophet Mohammed fought the idolaters who hurt and denied him, expelled him from his home at Mecca and tried to kill him, and they killed some of the believers, exiled them from their homes and robbed their property, only because they believed in God alone and rejected the idols; we should know that Moses had ordered the Children of Israel to fight the Canaanites, and take in possession their homes and wealth, whereas they had not hurt nor had they fought him; but only that they were associaters (or idolaters) worshipping the idols.
Likewise, David fought the idolaters, and there were other prophets and apostles who fought the associaters or idolaters; and that was according to God’s command; because God-be exalted- hates all associaters and idolaters, and gets angry with them, and gives [to their enemies] power over them, to humiliate them by killing and taking them captives and taking their wealth in possession.
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Reply 2:
I say: can anyone object to God, or compel Him to do something, or imply on Him that the thing should be so and so, or restrict His grace and favor to some folk rather than others?
Can anybody prevent God from making Jesus die, and his mother and all the inhabitants of the earth?
In fact, He made Jesus, his mother and all generations; He made all of these die, and their souls went to the next world. Jesus, his mother and the righteous went to Paradise in the neighborhood of God.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 5: 75
This aya, and the preceding one, was revealed concerning some hypocrites that came to Medina where Prophet Mohammed was; they pretended to convert and become Muslims; then they returned to Mecca and apostatized from the Islam.
However, in case Prophet Mohammed fought the idolaters who hurt and denied him, expelled him from his home at Mecca and tried to kill him, and they killed some of the believers, exiled them from their homes and robbed their property, only because they believed in God alone and rejected the idols; we should know that Moses had ordered the Children of Israel to fight the Canaanites, and take in possession their homes and wealth, whereas they had not hurt nor had they fought him; but only that they were associaters (or idolaters) worshipping the idols.
Likewise, David fought the idolaters, and there were other prophets and apostles who fought the associaters or idolaters; and that was according to God’s command; because God-be exalted- hates all associaters and idolaters, and gets angry with them, and gives [to their enemies] power over them, to humiliate them by killing and taking them captives and taking their wealth in possession.
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I say: can anyone object to God, or compel Him to do something, or imply on Him that the thing should be so and so, or restrict His grace and favor to some folk rather than others?
Can anybody prevent God from making Jesus die, and his mother and all the inhabitants of the earth?
In fact, He made Jesus, his mother and all generations; He made all of these die, and their souls went to the next world. Jesus, his mother and the righteous went to Paradise in the neighborhood of God.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 5: 75
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
The explanation: (The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger, messengers before him passed away [so why do you glorify him alone, excluding others?] His mother was a true believer [in the Ten Commandments of her Lord]; [the Messiah and his mother] both ate food [and anyone eats food, has to relieve nature, therefore how could they be gods?] See [Mohammed] how We make clear the revelations to them; then see how perverted they are [away from the truth!] )
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October 21st, 2007, 10:36 PM
Like #juan said, get another book. The one you have is leading you into error.
Quoting eanassir
Ice isn't liquid water, and it doesn't melt, it sublimates directly to vapour under martian conditions. Happens on earth sometimes too; I've seen ice on wooden structures in my yard go directly to vapour without melting at temperatures well below zero, and under the right conditions I can even see the vapour rising.
Then how can ice be present in large amounts in the polar regions of Mars? and where such ice go after it melt in summer?
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That doesn't follow. The existence of frozen regions in no way suggests there should be hot or temperate regions as well. Mars, remember, is over 50% farther from the sun than the earth is and receives proportionately much less solar energy. Are you familiar with the inverse square law?
In case there are frozen regions on Mars, then there should be equatorial hot regions, and other intermediate regions with moderate temperatures
Like #juan said, get another book. The one you have is leading you into error.
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October 22nd, 2007, 03:35 AM
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Ice isn't liquid water, and it doesn't melt, it sublimates directly to vapour under martian conditions. Happens on earth sometimes too; I've seen ice on wooden structures in my yard go directly to vapour without melting at temperatures well below zero, and under the right conditions I can even see the vapour rising.
That doesn't follow. The existence of frozen regions in no way suggests there should be hot or temperate regions as well. Mars, remember, is over 50% farther from the sun than the earth is and receives proportionately much less solar energy. Are you familiar with the inverse square law?
Like #juan said, get another book. The one you have is leading you into error.
That doesn't follow. The existence of frozen regions in no way suggests there should be hot or temperate regions as well. Mars, remember, is over 50% farther from the sun than the earth is and receives proportionately much less solar energy. Are you familiar with the inverse square law?
Like #juan said, get another book. The one you have is leading you into error.
Dear Dexter Sinister,
This is right, the ice may sublimate directly into vapor; but where will this water vapor go? Will it rain later on or what?
I saw one or two images of Mars revealing some clouds in its atmosphere. The image was picked in April 1999, by the Mars Orbiter Camera. They speak also of equatorial and polar regions and of Spring, Winter, Summer and Autumn on Mars. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mars/explore.html
And in case there is a north pole and another south pole; and there are winter, summer and other seasons; so that this pole will shrink in summer, while the other one will increase in winter of the other half of the planet; then why isn't there any graduation in temperature between these two poles?
Moreover, will all Mars regions have the same temperature ? In this case why ice concentrates in the two polar regions ?
And the while the earth is at certain distance from the Sun, and evenso we see this graduation of freezing, coldness, moderate and hot regions on the earth; because of the earth axis inclination.
This may be the same situation on Mars, but the different axis of Mars may counteract for the difference in distance of Earth and Mars away from the Sun. If the inclination is more or less; this will lead to more perpendicular or horizontal sunrays distribution on Mars and other planets.
eanassir This is right, the ice may sublimate directly into vapor; but where will this water vapor go? Will it rain later on or what?
I saw one or two images of Mars revealing some clouds in its atmosphere. The image was picked in April 1999, by the Mars Orbiter Camera. They speak also of equatorial and polar regions and of Spring, Winter, Summer and Autumn on Mars. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mars/explore.html
And in case there is a north pole and another south pole; and there are winter, summer and other seasons; so that this pole will shrink in summer, while the other one will increase in winter of the other half of the planet; then why isn't there any graduation in temperature between these two poles?
Moreover, will all Mars regions have the same temperature ? In this case why ice concentrates in the two polar regions ?
And the while the earth is at certain distance from the Sun, and evenso we see this graduation of freezing, coldness, moderate and hot regions on the earth; because of the earth axis inclination.
This may be the same situation on Mars, but the different axis of Mars may counteract for the difference in distance of Earth and Mars away from the Sun. If the inclination is more or less; this will lead to more perpendicular or horizontal sunrays distribution on Mars and other planets.
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October 22nd, 2007, 03:37 AM
Prophet Moses was given the law, and by the law, Moses could destroy human life.
The man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was stoned to death, he and his whole family.
That was the law then with prophet Moses, an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.
This was the law with the Levitical priesthood then:
But then The prophet, priest, and son of God, came and reversed the law of Moses to now love your enemies, and meaning not to kill them because of their religious beliefs.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
If you attend to the words of prophet Jesus, to love your enemies, would you consider extinguishing somebody's life if they believed completely the opposite of you and wanted to reside in your neighborhood?
Peace>>>AJ
Prophet Moses was given the law, and by the law, Moses could destroy human life.
The man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was stoned to death, he and his whole family.
That was the law then with prophet Moses, an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.
This was the law with the Levitical priesthood then:
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. Lev 24:20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again
But then The prophet, priest, and son of God, came and reversed the law of Moses to now love your enemies, and meaning not to kill them because of their religious beliefs.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
If you attend to the words of prophet Jesus, to love your enemies, would you consider extinguishing somebody's life if they believed completely the opposite of you and wanted to reside in your neighborhood?
Peace>>>AJ
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October 22nd, 2007, 06:18 AM
I believe in the right to live your life the way you see fit as long as it doesn't interfere with the next guy doing just that. So to believe opposite of that along with other things, would mean that I in the interest of self preservation must respond in kind with enough force to deter any attempt at oppression.
Quoting look3467
Only if in their belief they acted to force their beliefs in any manner upon me.
Prophet Moses was given the law, and by the law, Moses could destroy human life.
The man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was stoned to death, he and his whole family.
That was the law then with prophet Moses, an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.
This was the law with the Levitical priesthood then:
.
But then The prophet, priest, and son of God, came and reversed the law of Moses to now love your enemies, and meaning not to kill them because of their religious beliefs.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
If you attend to the words of prophet Jesus, to love your enemies, would you consider extinguishing somebody's life if they believed completely the opposite of you and wanted to reside in your neighborhood?
Peace>>>AJ
The man picking up sticks on the Sabbath was stoned to death, he and his whole family.
That was the law then with prophet Moses, an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth.
This was the law with the Levitical priesthood then:
.
But then The prophet, priest, and son of God, came and reversed the law of Moses to now love your enemies, and meaning not to kill them because of their religious beliefs.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
If you attend to the words of prophet Jesus, to love your enemies, would you consider extinguishing somebody's life if they believed completely the opposite of you and wanted to reside in your neighborhood?
Peace>>>AJ
I believe in the right to live your life the way you see fit as long as it doesn't interfere with the next guy doing just that. So to believe opposite of that along with other things, would mean that I in the interest of self preservation must respond in kind with enough force to deter any attempt at oppression.
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October 22nd, 2007, 09:52 AM
I have a feeling that the most likely precipitation on Mars would be a sort of sleet, made up of water ice and C02. I'm pretty sure the polar caps are both water ice and dry ice. Given the atmospheric pressure, liquid rain is unlikely.
http://tinyurl.com/yp63om
I have a feeling that the most likely precipitation on Mars would be a sort of sleet, made up of water ice and C02. I'm pretty sure the polar caps are both water ice and dry ice. Given the atmospheric pressure, liquid rain is unlikely.
http://tinyurl.com/yp63om
