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August 18th, 2007, 03:23 PM
I will tell you of a few instances since you asked.
I had been searching for the real truth about God, because in my heart I felt that those to whom God was not available too, were worthy of hell, when after all, what fault would they have.
The standard Christian answer was, well God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. That is all well and good, but did not answer my question as asked.
I acquired a set of books, about 21 volumes titled Magic, Myth and Man.
In this volumes, one could find every conceivable religious belief detailed in an objective manner.
I studied them in an effort to find a common thread amongst all of them.
I prayed that God would reveal to me what is the truth. In the process of studying, I came across this website, called Yahweh's truth. Well, I looked into it as well, and learned quite a bit about religious history from Adam to today's religious practices.
This site was a Christian Jewish site that said that all people to be saved ended in 1990.
Well, guess what, I didn't go for that either, but still, I learned what I needed to get to my present understanding.
I again entreated God to please indicate to me that what I had just learned was the knowledge I was to put into practice. By the way, it required I observe the Sabbath as the Jewish folks do.
I tried it, and even closed my store on Saturday's to comply.
Wasn't working out.
The thought came to me to give God something of substance as an indicator of a direct answer from Him as to what direction I should take.
I had a box truck with a lift that the transmission was out on. So I said to God, if you find a buyer for me within a few weeks, I will change course from were I was going and continue seeking.
Well, the very next day, a man walked in with credit card in hand and said, I want to buy that truck.
(I had a for sale sign on is for quite some while but wasn't getting any bites)
That was my answer sooner than what I expected.
The next thing I am doing is searching and God leads me to another web site. I click on it and am astounded at what I read. By all standards, any Christian believer would have rejected it.
I was compelled to continue to read and learn.
There I found the answers to all my questions since all the contents of that website had to do only with what contained in the bible.
I am familiar with the contents of the bible because it has been my quest to learn all I could about God.
So, naturally, I find this website very helpful and to this present day, MY BELIEVES HAVE BEEN ENRICHED.
Faith in God is no small thing, but is all that I am.
Another instance is I got the thought of selling my business and needed confirmation was coupled with the sell of the truck.
Both instances were going on at the same time.
Within 3 months, I sold the place without advertising it. (Sell by owner)
I rented another place which to my amazement, thought,(excuse my language)"What the hell am I thinking, this place is bad for business". But I trusted that God had a hand in it.
Well, been there 7 days a week for 6 months, I asked God, "you need to send somebody to buy me out."
Guess what, within 3 weeks, this gentleman came and bought me out. (No fleece this time.) Just faith that God would work in my behalf.
The very best thing to have gotten answered had to do with my marriage.
Without giving details about my marriage conditions, suffice it to say that it was falling apart.
I had my doubts that my wife's mind would change. I prayed that God would intercede and cause my wife's mind to change in my favor.
The sell of the inventory was the beginning of the change, the next thing that happened (incident) caused my wife to completely turn/repent/change her mind in my favor.
Coincidence? Not to me! God is happy to oblige me at every turn, for I am His child and He is thinking about my best at all times.
I love Him more than I can explain, and it gives me strength to love those who are not able to return love back.
I speak to all of you with love and compassion as God gives me to speak.
I've learned through all of this, that the only hell there is is in this world. That death of the flesh is but an end of the flesh, but life of the soul continues on to eternal living, since God in Jesus reconciled us all back to Him in the body sacrifice of Jesus.
It wasnt and it is not our fault we are existing in the flesh, not by choice, but His.
He is at fault, but He also made a way for our souls to be forever with Him.
Many can not comprehend it, and can not understand it, for it is mystery to be searched out.
I searched it out and found the answer, no longer a mystery.
Christianity is on the right direction, but it is as yet a child going through trials and errors.
Many mistakes made, bad decisions and worldly lusts mixed into the mix.
But, slowly it has been progressing towards a mature state of spirituality.
Time will tell.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Dexter Sinister
It may sound like it is all a coincidence and many wish to think that it is.
I think what's happening is more likely a combination of selective thinking, confirmation bias, and communal reinforcement, but I'd be interested in some examples of what you prayed for, how the prayer was answered, and how you can be sure that what happened would not have happened if you hadn't prayed. You're asking us to believe that god routinely intercedes in the world in response to your entreaties, in effect that your life is full of miraculous suspensions of the normal order of things. I hardly need to tell you that I don't believe you.
I will tell you of a few instances since you asked.
I had been searching for the real truth about God, because in my heart I felt that those to whom God was not available too, were worthy of hell, when after all, what fault would they have.
The standard Christian answer was, well God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. That is all well and good, but did not answer my question as asked.
I acquired a set of books, about 21 volumes titled Magic, Myth and Man.
In this volumes, one could find every conceivable religious belief detailed in an objective manner.
I studied them in an effort to find a common thread amongst all of them.
I prayed that God would reveal to me what is the truth. In the process of studying, I came across this website, called Yahweh's truth. Well, I looked into it as well, and learned quite a bit about religious history from Adam to today's religious practices.
This site was a Christian Jewish site that said that all people to be saved ended in 1990.
Well, guess what, I didn't go for that either, but still, I learned what I needed to get to my present understanding.
I again entreated God to please indicate to me that what I had just learned was the knowledge I was to put into practice. By the way, it required I observe the Sabbath as the Jewish folks do.
I tried it, and even closed my store on Saturday's to comply.
Wasn't working out.
The thought came to me to give God something of substance as an indicator of a direct answer from Him as to what direction I should take.
I had a box truck with a lift that the transmission was out on. So I said to God, if you find a buyer for me within a few weeks, I will change course from were I was going and continue seeking.
Well, the very next day, a man walked in with credit card in hand and said, I want to buy that truck.
(I had a for sale sign on is for quite some while but wasn't getting any bites)
That was my answer sooner than what I expected.
The next thing I am doing is searching and God leads me to another web site. I click on it and am astounded at what I read. By all standards, any Christian believer would have rejected it.
I was compelled to continue to read and learn.
There I found the answers to all my questions since all the contents of that website had to do only with what contained in the bible.
I am familiar with the contents of the bible because it has been my quest to learn all I could about God.
So, naturally, I find this website very helpful and to this present day, MY BELIEVES HAVE BEEN ENRICHED.
Faith in God is no small thing, but is all that I am.
Another instance is I got the thought of selling my business and needed confirmation was coupled with the sell of the truck.
Both instances were going on at the same time.
Within 3 months, I sold the place without advertising it. (Sell by owner)
I rented another place which to my amazement, thought,(excuse my language)"What the hell am I thinking, this place is bad for business". But I trusted that God had a hand in it.
Well, been there 7 days a week for 6 months, I asked God, "you need to send somebody to buy me out."
Guess what, within 3 weeks, this gentleman came and bought me out. (No fleece this time.) Just faith that God would work in my behalf.
The very best thing to have gotten answered had to do with my marriage.
Without giving details about my marriage conditions, suffice it to say that it was falling apart.
I had my doubts that my wife's mind would change. I prayed that God would intercede and cause my wife's mind to change in my favor.
The sell of the inventory was the beginning of the change, the next thing that happened (incident) caused my wife to completely turn/repent/change her mind in my favor.
Coincidence? Not to me! God is happy to oblige me at every turn, for I am His child and He is thinking about my best at all times.
I love Him more than I can explain, and it gives me strength to love those who are not able to return love back.
I speak to all of you with love and compassion as God gives me to speak.
I've learned through all of this, that the only hell there is is in this world. That death of the flesh is but an end of the flesh, but life of the soul continues on to eternal living, since God in Jesus reconciled us all back to Him in the body sacrifice of Jesus.
It wasnt and it is not our fault we are existing in the flesh, not by choice, but His.
He is at fault, but He also made a way for our souls to be forever with Him.
Many can not comprehend it, and can not understand it, for it is mystery to be searched out.
I searched it out and found the answer, no longer a mystery.
Christianity is on the right direction, but it is as yet a child going through trials and errors.
Many mistakes made, bad decisions and worldly lusts mixed into the mix.
But, slowly it has been progressing towards a mature state of spirituality.
Time will tell.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 18th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Otherwise, neither you or I would be on this forum discussing this topic.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting Curiosity
I share what I believe just as you share what you believe. For those who have definite opinions - religious or otherwise - why is it we feel the need to prove it to others what we believe.
I have no wish to share anything whether to try to convince another that my belief is positive, or negatively - to have to defend my belief.
It is mine - I need no confirmations. Life itself is enough proof there is a reason.
Dexter
I would love to witness you and Doc having a chat - I'd even buy the scotch !
I have no wish to share anything whether to try to convince another that my belief is positive, or negatively - to have to defend my belief.
It is mine - I need no confirmations. Life itself is enough proof there is a reason.
Dexter
I would love to witness you and Doc having a chat - I'd even buy the scotch !
Otherwise, neither you or I would be on this forum discussing this topic.
Peace>>>AJ
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August 18th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Aj i can't begin to tell you how happy i am for you
Aj i can't begin to tell you how happy i am for you
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August 18th, 2007, 06:37 PM
Quoting karrie
That may be true but there is still no arguing that religion is one of the most divisive things we've ever invented .
I hear this in the forum all the time, but, I've found that DIFFERENCES are what seperate people. Humanity will seize on any opportunity/excuse to wreak havoc on itself. Race, country, language, religion... it doesn't seem to really truly matter what the difference is, so long as we get to declare our hatred, our superiority, and kill one another.
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August 18th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Quoting karrie
Karrie , how will solid proof and confirmation of your beliefs end your spirituality?
Wow. I'm a Catholic, and all these things you've written are things that would drive a skeptical nail into my belief, and while they wouldn't end my spirituality, I'd likely avoid the church after these occurences.
Weird that what you find to be an answer, I see to be a hypocritical show.
Weird that what you find to be an answer, I see to be a hypocritical show.
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August 18th, 2007, 06:44 PM
Quoting look3467
AJ i'am glad things have been working out for you . But I really see no pattern here whatsoever you ask for something then wait , something that has a chance of happening anyway eventually it does and you credit god , tell you what next time you want to sell a truck don;t pray for it and see how quickly that happens .
It may sound like it is all a coincidence and many wish to think that it is.
I will tell you of a few instances since you asked.
I had been searching for the real truth about God, because in my heart I felt that those to whom God was not available too, were worthy of hell, when after all, what fault would they have.
The standard Christian answer was, well God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. That is all well and good, but did not answer my question as asked.
I acquired a set of books, about 21 volumes titled Magic, Myth and Man.
In this volumes, one could find every conceivable religious belief detailed in an objective manner.
I studied them in an effort to find a common thread amongst all of them.
I prayed that God would reveal to me what is the truth. In the process of studying, I came across this website, called Yahweh's truth. Well, I looked into it as well, and learned quite a bit about religious history from Adam to today's religious practices.
This site was a Christian Jewish site that said that all people to be saved ended in 1990.
Well, guess what, I didn't go for that either, but still, I learned what I needed to get to my present understanding.
I again entreated God to please indicate to me that what I had just learned was the knowledge I was to put into practice. By the way, it required I observe the Sabbath as the Jewish folks do.
I tried it, and even closed my store on Saturday's to comply.
Wasn't working out.
The thought came to me to give God something of substance as an indicator of a direct answer from Him as to what direction I should take.
I had a box truck with a lift that the transmission was out on. So I said to God, if you find a buyer for me within a few weeks, I will change course from were I was going and continue seeking.
Well, the very next day, a man walked in with credit card in hand and said, I want to buy that truck.
(I had a for sale sign on is for quite some while but wasn't getting any bites)
That was my answer sooner than what I expected.
The next thing I am doing is searching and God leads me to another web site. I click on it and am astounded at what I read. By all standards, any Christian believer would have rejected it.
I was compelled to continue to read and learn.
There I found the answers to all my questions since all the contents of that website had to do only with what contained in the bible.
I am familiar with the contents of the bible because it has been my quest to learn all I could about God.
So, naturally, I find this website very helpful and to this present day, MY BELIEVES HAVE BEEN ENRICHED.
Faith in God is no small thing, but is all that I am.
Another instance is I got the thought of selling my business and needed confirmation was coupled with the sell of the truck.
Both instances were going on at the same time.
Within 3 months, I sold the place without advertising it. (Sell by owner)
I rented another place which to my amazement, thought,(excuse my language)"What the hell am I thinking, this place is bad for business". But I trusted that God had a hand in it.
Well, been there 7 days a week for 6 months, I asked God, "you need to send somebody to buy me out."
Guess what, within 3 weeks, this gentleman came and bought me out. (No fleece this time.) Just faith that God would work in my behalf.
The very best thing to have gotten answered had to do with my marriage.
Without giving details about my marriage conditions, suffice it to say that it was falling apart.
I had my doubts that my wife's mind would change. I prayed that God would intercede and cause my wife's mind to change in my favor.
The sell of the inventory was the beginning of the change, the next thing that happened (incident) caused my wife to completely turn/repent/change her mind in my favor.
Coincidence? Not to me! God is happy to oblige me at every turn, for I am His child and He is thinking about my best at all times.
I love Him more than I can explain, and it gives me strength to love those who are not able to return love back.
I speak to all of you with love and compassion as God gives me to speak.
I've learned through all of this, that the only hell there is is in this world. That death of the flesh is but an end of the flesh, but life of the soul continues on to eternal living, since God in Jesus reconciled us all back to Him in the body sacrifice of Jesus.
It wasnt and it is not our fault we are existing in the flesh, not by choice, but His.
He is at fault, but He also made a way for our souls to be forever with Him.
Many can not comprehend it, and can not understand it, for it is mystery to be searched out.
I searched it out and found the answer, no longer a mystery.
Christianity is on the right direction, but it is as yet a child going through trials and errors.
Many mistakes made, bad decisions and worldly lusts mixed into the mix.
But, slowly it has been progressing towards a mature state of spirituality.
Time will tell.
Peace>>>AJ
I will tell you of a few instances since you asked.
I had been searching for the real truth about God, because in my heart I felt that those to whom God was not available too, were worthy of hell, when after all, what fault would they have.
The standard Christian answer was, well God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. That is all well and good, but did not answer my question as asked.
I acquired a set of books, about 21 volumes titled Magic, Myth and Man.
In this volumes, one could find every conceivable religious belief detailed in an objective manner.
I studied them in an effort to find a common thread amongst all of them.
I prayed that God would reveal to me what is the truth. In the process of studying, I came across this website, called Yahweh's truth. Well, I looked into it as well, and learned quite a bit about religious history from Adam to today's religious practices.
This site was a Christian Jewish site that said that all people to be saved ended in 1990.
Well, guess what, I didn't go for that either, but still, I learned what I needed to get to my present understanding.
I again entreated God to please indicate to me that what I had just learned was the knowledge I was to put into practice. By the way, it required I observe the Sabbath as the Jewish folks do.
I tried it, and even closed my store on Saturday's to comply.
Wasn't working out.
The thought came to me to give God something of substance as an indicator of a direct answer from Him as to what direction I should take.
I had a box truck with a lift that the transmission was out on. So I said to God, if you find a buyer for me within a few weeks, I will change course from were I was going and continue seeking.
Well, the very next day, a man walked in with credit card in hand and said, I want to buy that truck.
(I had a for sale sign on is for quite some while but wasn't getting any bites)
That was my answer sooner than what I expected.
The next thing I am doing is searching and God leads me to another web site. I click on it and am astounded at what I read. By all standards, any Christian believer would have rejected it.
I was compelled to continue to read and learn.
There I found the answers to all my questions since all the contents of that website had to do only with what contained in the bible.
I am familiar with the contents of the bible because it has been my quest to learn all I could about God.
So, naturally, I find this website very helpful and to this present day, MY BELIEVES HAVE BEEN ENRICHED.
Faith in God is no small thing, but is all that I am.
Another instance is I got the thought of selling my business and needed confirmation was coupled with the sell of the truck.
Both instances were going on at the same time.
Within 3 months, I sold the place without advertising it. (Sell by owner)
I rented another place which to my amazement, thought,(excuse my language)"What the hell am I thinking, this place is bad for business". But I trusted that God had a hand in it.
Well, been there 7 days a week for 6 months, I asked God, "you need to send somebody to buy me out."
Guess what, within 3 weeks, this gentleman came and bought me out. (No fleece this time.) Just faith that God would work in my behalf.
The very best thing to have gotten answered had to do with my marriage.
Without giving details about my marriage conditions, suffice it to say that it was falling apart.
I had my doubts that my wife's mind would change. I prayed that God would intercede and cause my wife's mind to change in my favor.
The sell of the inventory was the beginning of the change, the next thing that happened (incident) caused my wife to completely turn/repent/change her mind in my favor.
Coincidence? Not to me! God is happy to oblige me at every turn, for I am His child and He is thinking about my best at all times.
I love Him more than I can explain, and it gives me strength to love those who are not able to return love back.
I speak to all of you with love and compassion as God gives me to speak.
I've learned through all of this, that the only hell there is is in this world. That death of the flesh is but an end of the flesh, but life of the soul continues on to eternal living, since God in Jesus reconciled us all back to Him in the body sacrifice of Jesus.
It wasnt and it is not our fault we are existing in the flesh, not by choice, but His.
He is at fault, but He also made a way for our souls to be forever with Him.
Many can not comprehend it, and can not understand it, for it is mystery to be searched out.
I searched it out and found the answer, no longer a mystery.
Christianity is on the right direction, but it is as yet a child going through trials and errors.
Many mistakes made, bad decisions and worldly lusts mixed into the mix.
But, slowly it has been progressing towards a mature state of spirituality.
Time will tell.
Peace>>>AJ
August 18th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Quoting Minority Observer84
reread it.
Karrie , how will solid proof and confirmation of your beliefs end your spirituality?
August 18th, 2007, 06:50 PM
THE most divisive thing humanity has ever devised is government.
Quoting Minority Observer84
That may be true but there is still no arguing that religion is one of the most divisive things we've ever invented .
THE most divisive thing humanity has ever devised is government.
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August 18th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Quoting karrie
Same question . How could solid proof for your beliefs hurt your spirituality ?
reread it.
August 18th, 2007, 06:57 PM
The reason being, that almost every 'miracle' out there has been accomplished by a variety of illusionists. What you call 'proof' is impossible, due to the faulty nature of humanity's perceptions of the world. If people felt they'd seen proof, I'd probably doubt it as illusion.
What I trust, is my own mind. That thrumming sense of a deeper power surging through the world. I'd have much less faith in a physical manifestation and 'proof', than I do in my own senses of the 'supernatural'.
Quoting Minority Observer84
It wouldn't end my spirituality, as I stated, but it would drive a skeptical nail further into my religious belief.
Same question . How could solid proof for your beliefs hurt your spirituality ?
The reason being, that almost every 'miracle' out there has been accomplished by a variety of illusionists. What you call 'proof' is impossible, due to the faulty nature of humanity's perceptions of the world. If people felt they'd seen proof, I'd probably doubt it as illusion.
What I trust, is my own mind. That thrumming sense of a deeper power surging through the world. I'd have much less faith in a physical manifestation and 'proof', than I do in my own senses of the 'supernatural'.
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August 18th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Quoting karrie
You know what karrie , your right . Most miracles are illusions , even group miracles are the power of suggestion and the desire to see manifesting . No matter what creationists like kent hovind will tell you the eye is far from perfect . I really cannot answer to this sense of the supernatural that you have . I personally do not believe in the supernatural as you no dbout have gathered , do I get loney sure , do I get scared yes . Sometimes I wonder about the purpose behind it all . The fact is that there is no proof for the supernatural and that;s lead me personally to conclude that there is also no purpose to life . We each make our own purpose whatever it is we are concerned about and care about and work towards becomes our purpose . Like I said i cannot rationally discuss your sense of a deeper power it;s irrational .
It wouldn't end my spirituality, as I stated, but it would drive a skeptical nail further into my religious belief.
The reason being, that almost every 'miracle' out there has been accomplished by a variety of illusionists. What you call 'proof' is impossible, due to the faulty nature of humanity's perceptions of the world. If people felt they'd seen proof, I'd probably doubt it as illusion.
What I trust, is my own mind. That thrumming sense of a deeper power surging through the world. I'd have much less faith in a physical manifestation and 'proof', than I do in my own senses of the 'supernatural'.
The reason being, that almost every 'miracle' out there has been accomplished by a variety of illusionists. What you call 'proof' is impossible, due to the faulty nature of humanity's perceptions of the world. If people felt they'd seen proof, I'd probably doubt it as illusion.
What I trust, is my own mind. That thrumming sense of a deeper power surging through the world. I'd have much less faith in a physical manifestation and 'proof', than I do in my own senses of the 'supernatural'.
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August 18th, 2007, 07:10 PM
If it weren't for my new understanding, I won't be having this conversation with you.
Call the salvation army and donate all your junk, and take a tax write off. I', sure that God will bless you beyond your imaginations.
Religion is not your bag and not worth making money at it.
But I tell you what is better to do, and that is to share the good that life gives you with others so as to help them through their tough times.
You do that, and you won't need a religion to identify with.
The word would be" Look, there goes Doc, a good man".
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting DocDred
Doc, the material on that website didn't cost me a penny. No donations and the material is not copy righted, so it's free to use whenever I please.
Aj i can't begin to tell you how happy i am for you...give me the web site...i got a bunch of broken stuff i want to sell to people and if god will help me out here i will promise to find more garbage to make big bucks with....man where the hell have you been all my life.....
If it weren't for my new understanding, I won't be having this conversation with you.
Call the salvation army and donate all your junk, and take a tax write off. I', sure that God will bless you beyond your imaginations.
Religion is not your bag and not worth making money at it.
But I tell you what is better to do, and that is to share the good that life gives you with others so as to help them through their tough times.
You do that, and you won't need a religion to identify with.
The word would be" Look, there goes Doc, a good man".
Peace>>>AJ
August 18th, 2007, 07:11 PM
To me, no, it's not. Because it's addressing a physical manifestation I am aware of. The fact that you are unaware of the same manifestation doesn't make it irrational... it simply makes it beyond your perception. Like trying to explain the color purple to someone who can't see colors, or the smell of a rose to someone who was born without the ability to smell.
Quoting Minority Observer84
To you, yes, it must seem irrational.
Like I said i cannot rationally discuss your sense of a deeper power it;s irrational .
To me, no, it's not. Because it's addressing a physical manifestation I am aware of. The fact that you are unaware of the same manifestation doesn't make it irrational... it simply makes it beyond your perception. Like trying to explain the color purple to someone who can't see colors, or the smell of a rose to someone who was born without the ability to smell.
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August 18th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Quoting karrie
To me karrie anything not mathematically quantifiable is irrational . I've been told I have a very analog mind I take it as a complement .
To you, yes, it must seem irrational.
To me, no, it's not. Because it's addressing a physical manifestation I am aware of. The fact that you are unaware of the same manifestation doesn't make it irrational... it simply makes it beyond your perception. Like trying to explain the color purple to someone who can't see colors, or the smell of a rose to someone who was born without the ability to smell.
To me, no, it's not. Because it's addressing a physical manifestation I am aware of. The fact that you are unaware of the same manifestation doesn't make it irrational... it simply makes it beyond your perception. Like trying to explain the color purple to someone who can't see colors, or the smell of a rose to someone who was born without the ability to smell.
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August 18th, 2007, 07:19 PM
"Prayer, the last refuge of the scoundrel"
Quoting look3467
Yes to quote Lisa Simpson (mis-quoting Samuel Johnson):
When all fails, and there seems to be no answers, try God!
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
"Prayer, the last refuge of the scoundrel"
