Mighty Intellect
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July 29th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Faith (in God) is what is lacking in the experience. And faith is not a fact that is provable as a known fact.
I experience faith in a God of the universe as given to understand based on all the experiences of past departed souls and the written words as inspired by God.
True, I can prove none of it by fact, but by faith, I can say volumes.
I can tell you that I have arrived at a point of understanding which prior to that, I had no reservations to those who believed not in Christ.
But now, I have new understanding which is all inclusive of all beliefs and or non beliefs as being included in the salvation plan of the creator.
I need no scientific proof of it, but by faith accept it as gospel truth.
Science is a beautiful thing to study and learn and in which neatly fits into Gods wonderful designs.
But can you agree that religion has evolved to it’s present state as a more mature belief?
Not quite all there yet since we still have wars in the name of religion.
And true, if one is not grounded on some solid ground, the mind become a glutton for all kinds of beliefs.
I have a firm foundation on my beliefs.
Conscience than becomes our guide which we are capable of loosing to no conscience, if we are so inclined.
People, religious and non-religious have the same ability to do good by their conscience.
It happens that religion promotes the good of the conscience.
Well, than faith would not be faith for it requires trust in something intangible.
If I could scientifically prove the existence of God, then you would need no faith.
Peace>>>AJ
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Common sense is logic , and both of them have to be based on a substantial parallel experience or a known fact .>>> Minority Observer84
Faith (in God) is what is lacking in the experience. And faith is not a fact that is provable as a known fact.
I experience faith in a God of the universe as given to understand based on all the experiences of past departed souls and the written words as inspired by God.
True, I can prove none of it by fact, but by faith, I can say volumes.
I can tell you that I have arrived at a point of understanding which prior to that, I had no reservations to those who believed not in Christ.
But now, I have new understanding which is all inclusive of all beliefs and or non beliefs as being included in the salvation plan of the creator.
I need no scientific proof of it, but by faith accept it as gospel truth.
Science is a beautiful thing to study and learn and in which neatly fits into Gods wonderful designs.
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…”the history of man kind there have been thousands of different gods…”has for it proof that mankind sought after something intangible and spiritual.
Errrr Remember what i said about being factually based Ie Common sense does not tell you anything unless it's based something substantial .
As For the idea of what you'd have to lose , that concept is known in philosophy as pascals wager and it's refuted because through the history of man kind there have been thousands of different gods assuming one of them is the true creator you chances of getting the right one are negligible .>>>Minority Observer84
As For the idea of what you'd have to lose , that concept is known in philosophy as pascals wager and it's refuted because through the history of man kind there have been thousands of different gods assuming one of them is the true creator you chances of getting the right one are negligible .>>>Minority Observer84
But can you agree that religion has evolved to it’s present state as a more mature belief?
Not quite all there yet since we still have wars in the name of religion.
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This “pixie fairy” of which you speak lightly of, fulfilled all the demands requested by God of the flesh for compliance to live for ever, which includes all non-believers.
And what if the pixie fairy exists and demands a fruit basket tithe every forth night? To base faith on nothing is to open ones mind to all sorts of rubbish if you believe in something for no reason then logically you cannot disbelieve in anything.>>>
Minority Observer84
Minority Observer84
And true, if one is not grounded on some solid ground, the mind become a glutton for all kinds of beliefs.
I have a firm foundation on my beliefs.
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The whole point of being in this world is to learn in the midst of all confusion to do the right thing.
I see the world is not a nice place so instead of trying to work to make it better how about we just believe in an afterlife where all our problems are magically fixed. This sort of thinking is not only destructive and irrational it's all escapist and weak. >>>
Minority Observer84
Minority Observer84
Conscience than becomes our guide which we are capable of loosing to no conscience, if we are so inclined.
People, religious and non-religious have the same ability to do good by their conscience.
It happens that religion promotes the good of the conscience.
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“…Faith is not irrational provided it is based on a cohesive fact or reasoning method…”
Faith is a human thing as well, faith existed long before anyone worship the monotheistic god of Moses/Jesus/Mohamed .Faith is not irrational provided it is based on a cohesive fact or reasoning method. >>>
Minority Observer84
Minority Observer84
Well, than faith would not be faith for it requires trust in something intangible.
If I could scientifically prove the existence of God, then you would need no faith.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 29th, 2007, 02:09 PM
How is anything inherant. All depend on other factors.Everything in existance is a coarising coexistant attribute of existance.
show me where it is inherant....nothing is inherant.
and who pray tell is worthy of telling me how to "manage my desires for the good"......today right now in the living!!!!
the road to heaven is paved with excess ...Willy babes again...
Quoting look3467
Lets first play with this. Desire is inherant? hmmmm...so it exists on it's own. It's completely independant of other factors...It is inherant...Hogwarsh ..i say ...
Desire is inherent in all intelligent flesh as a human trait, I believe, because it requires that these desires be managed for the good rather than for the selfish purposes.
Peace>>>AJ
Peace>>>AJ
How is anything inherant. All depend on other factors.Everything in existance is a coarising coexistant attribute of existance.
show me where it is inherant....nothing is inherant.
and who pray tell is worthy of telling me how to "manage my desires for the good"......today right now in the living!!!!
the road to heaven is paved with excess ...Willy babes again...
Theism Exorcist
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July 29th, 2007, 03:18 PM
Quoting look3467
Oh you do ? why didn't you say so what is that "firm Foundation "
And true, if one is not grounded on some solid ground, the mind become a glutton for all kinds of beliefs.
I have a firm foundation on my beliefs.
I have a firm foundation on my beliefs.
Quoting look3467
Right all the death , torture , oppression and suppression that religion has caused in history that was an accident . Religion is by it's very nature irrational violent and intolerant . You can dress it up anyway you want at the end of the day you still believe that anyone that does not see the world as you do is in for a mighty roasting when they die .
It happens that religion promotes the good of the conscience.
Quoting look3467
And how terrible rational and easy that would be i can see your point baseless faith is exactly what the world needs.
If I could scientifically prove the existence of God, then you would need no faith.
Mighty Intellect
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July 29th, 2007, 03:59 PM
Inherent is defined as inborn, inbuilt and or natural.
Take a baby, the first thing it wants is to eat. After a few years, it wants everything it sees. In another batch of years its desires are shaped by its environment, the parents teachings and
a conscience that is inbuilt.
This world is a world of want! Show me one person who does not want anything.
There is nothing wrong with desiring or wanting, that is a design feature of the human intelligence.
But to learn how to channel those desires for our own good and for the good of others is the desired effect of being given the gift of intelligence.
If it were not so, then why struggle to even do good?
“…and who pray tell is worthy of telling me how to "manage my desires for the good"......today right now in the living!!!!...”>>>DocDred
There is only one worthy who invites us to do so and that is the Son of the living God.
Peace>>>AJ
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Lets first play with this. Desire is inherant? hmmmm...so it exists on it's own. It's completely independent of other factors...It is inherent...Hogwarsh ..i say ...
How is anything inherent. All depend on other factors. Everything in existence is a coarising coexistant attribute of existance.
show me where it is inherant....nothing is inherant.>>> DocDred
the road to heaven is paved with excess ...Willy babes again...
How is anything inherent. All depend on other factors. Everything in existence is a coarising coexistant attribute of existance.
show me where it is inherant....nothing is inherant.>>> DocDred
the road to heaven is paved with excess ...Willy babes again...
Inherent is defined as inborn, inbuilt and or natural.
Take a baby, the first thing it wants is to eat. After a few years, it wants everything it sees. In another batch of years its desires are shaped by its environment, the parents teachings and
a conscience that is inbuilt.
This world is a world of want! Show me one person who does not want anything.
There is nothing wrong with desiring or wanting, that is a design feature of the human intelligence.
But to learn how to channel those desires for our own good and for the good of others is the desired effect of being given the gift of intelligence.
If it were not so, then why struggle to even do good?
“…and who pray tell is worthy of telling me how to "manage my desires for the good"......today right now in the living!!!!...”>>>DocDred
There is only one worthy who invites us to do so and that is the Son of the living God.
Peace>>>AJ
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July 29th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Quoting look3467
I have a question - don't you think, that you are overtaxing your God? God is good, and God is great, but don't you think that he deserves a break now and then? When do YOU come into the picture, if all the choices you make depend upon God? Where is your own sense of responsibility? Asking your God to help you in every step that you make can be compared to a forty-year-old man, running to his mother to have his shoe-laces tied. Religion is very important, I totally agree. I am a very relious person myself, in the way of my religion. But there are things that can be helped without the interference of a deity, or deities, and lusts are among them.
Good advice.
All that and leave God out of it: If it were so easy to dispel God out of life, than mankind has been fighting wars needlessly.
For wars are fought because of differences of religious beliefs.
Only states that there must be something to this thing called God in the human experience, wouldn’t you think?
Peace>>>AJ
All that and leave God out of it: If it were so easy to dispel God out of life, than mankind has been fighting wars needlessly.
For wars are fought because of differences of religious beliefs.
Only states that there must be something to this thing called God in the human experience, wouldn’t you think?
Peace>>>AJ
Mighty Intellect
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July 29th, 2007, 04:42 PM
This foundation is established from the beginning of the world as it exists and forever more.
There is a two part feature to Gods design foundation of humanity and the world.
First the Father God (Yah) named creator of all that exists, and second Yahshua named redeemer of the first creation and finisher of the second.
The creation of the flesh is a worldly creation with all worldly desires as seen as Eve, the weaker vessel. Eve desiring the lusts of the eyes and the desire to know represents the flesh in mankind. (None gender)
Adam is representing the spirit of God in an earthen vessel needing not the desires of the flesh or knowledge, since Adam naming all the animals of the world as representing God.
But because there is a marriage of the spirit and the flesh, meaning death: (Separation) between God and mankind become evident and is in need of redeeming.
God in Jesus is the redeemer of all flesh by God’s use of one body as the redeemer of death souls.
Jesus therefore is my foundation, the rock upon which I stand firm and unmoved.
That is not to say that I condemn all others, but instead as demonstrated by God Himself in Jesus, condemn no one.
No one is going to a burning hell, but while in hell (Earthly life) many will be touched by the spirit of the living God to life, in the present or at death of the body.
Religion is what mankind makes it to be that sets parameters, but God does not have parameters but allows us to suffer our own consequences of our learning experiences.
I have learnt by trial and error the mystery of God’s love for all mankind and of which I am able to tolerate all non believers with a heart and mind of compassion.
If the world knew Jesus and how He demonstrated God’s love on earth, the world would be won over to love.
God is an option mankind should consider seriously for it’s own benefit.
Peace>>>AJ
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Oh you do? Why didn't you say so what is that "firm Foundation ">>> Minority Observer84
This foundation is established from the beginning of the world as it exists and forever more.
There is a two part feature to Gods design foundation of humanity and the world.
First the Father God (Yah) named creator of all that exists, and second Yahshua named redeemer of the first creation and finisher of the second.
The creation of the flesh is a worldly creation with all worldly desires as seen as Eve, the weaker vessel. Eve desiring the lusts of the eyes and the desire to know represents the flesh in mankind. (None gender)
Adam is representing the spirit of God in an earthen vessel needing not the desires of the flesh or knowledge, since Adam naming all the animals of the world as representing God.
But because there is a marriage of the spirit and the flesh, meaning death: (Separation) between God and mankind become evident and is in need of redeeming.
God in Jesus is the redeemer of all flesh by God’s use of one body as the redeemer of death souls.
Jesus therefore is my foundation, the rock upon which I stand firm and unmoved.
That is not to say that I condemn all others, but instead as demonstrated by God Himself in Jesus, condemn no one.
No one is going to a burning hell, but while in hell (Earthly life) many will be touched by the spirit of the living God to life, in the present or at death of the body.
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Right all the death , torture , oppression and suppression that religion has caused in history that was an accident . Religion is by it's very nature irrational violent and intolerant . You can dress it up anyway you want at the end of the day you still believe that anyone that does not see the world as you do is in for a mighty roasting when they die .>>> Minority Observer84
Religion is what mankind makes it to be that sets parameters, but God does not have parameters but allows us to suffer our own consequences of our learning experiences.
I have learnt by trial and error the mystery of God’s love for all mankind and of which I am able to tolerate all non believers with a heart and mind of compassion.
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And how terrible rational and easy that would be i can see your point baseless faith is exactly what the world needs.>>> Minority Observer84
If the world knew Jesus and how He demonstrated God’s love on earth, the world would be won over to love.
God is an option mankind should consider seriously for it’s own benefit.
Peace>>>AJ
Mighty Intellect
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July 29th, 2007, 05:17 PM
If God is the creator of all there is in this vast universe, to find Him over taxed would be an under-statement.
If I were a pebble in the sands of the world’s seas, God would honor my requests according to His will.
God is spirit and there is no tilling of the soil in His kingdom, therefore, tireless.
I came into the picture as soon as I started eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. That would be the age of accountability for me.
And I am responsible for all my own decisions, but in many of them I ask for assistance, and in which He comes to my rescue.
If everyday I should ask for guidance, He promises to deliver as promised.
My growing up in faith is akin to a young man growing up towards maturity.
I am at a stage in my faith now which I feel I have reached a degree of maturity in my beliefs, thanks to all the information available to me.
My thoughts dwell in the spiritual meaning of things in this world though yet I live in the flesh.
I profess to condemn no one based on what they chose to believe, and could only do it as a mature Christian.
Let us not limit God to our understanding!
Peace>>>AJ
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Absolutely not! I have a question - don't you think, that you are overtaxing your God?>>> Vereya
If God is the creator of all there is in this vast universe, to find Him over taxed would be an under-statement.
If I were a pebble in the sands of the world’s seas, God would honor my requests according to His will.
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God is good, and God is great, but don't you think that he deserves a break now and then?>>> Vereya
God is spirit and there is no tilling of the soil in His kingdom, therefore, tireless.
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When do YOU come into the picture, if all the choices you make depend upon God? Where is your own sense of responsibility? Asking your God to help you in every step that you make can be compared to a forty-year-old man, running to his mother to have his shoe-laces tied.>>> Vereya
I came into the picture as soon as I started eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. That would be the age of accountability for me.
And I am responsible for all my own decisions, but in many of them I ask for assistance, and in which He comes to my rescue.
If everyday I should ask for guidance, He promises to deliver as promised.
My growing up in faith is akin to a young man growing up towards maturity.
I am at a stage in my faith now which I feel I have reached a degree of maturity in my beliefs, thanks to all the information available to me.
My thoughts dwell in the spiritual meaning of things in this world though yet I live in the flesh.
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I commend you in your faith, and whatever religious faith you profess, but let me add that religion without love is a dead religion as far as God is concerned. Religion is very important, I totally agree. I am a very religious person myself, in the way of my religion. But there are things that can be helped without the interference of a deity, or deities, and lusts are among them.>>> Vereya
I profess to condemn no one based on what they chose to believe, and could only do it as a mature Christian.
Let us not limit God to our understanding!
Peace>>>AJ
