Karma, what goes around comes around???

CDNBear

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I believe in it somewhat, I still have a few people on my Rambo map(in the r/w) that still haven't seen the righteous retrobution they so richly deserve, but it seems karma is at work.

No???
 
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KARMA

For the early Buddhists, karmawas non-linear. Other Indian schools
believed that karma operated in a straight line, with actions from the
past influencing the present, and present actions influencing the
future. As a result, they saw little room for free will. Buddhists,
however, saw that karma acts in feedback loops, with the present moment
being shaped both by past and by present actions; present actions shape
not only the future but also the present. This constant opening for
present input into the causal process makes free will possible. This
freedom is symbolized in the imagery the Buddhists used to explain the
process: flowing water. Sometimes the flow from the past is so strong
that little can be done except to stand fast, but there are also times
when the flow is gentle enough to be diverted in almost any direction.
Whether karma is to be considered self-imposed depends on how you
look at free will. True, any person can change their karma at any
time simply by changing their actions and responses. However, this
does not mean that they are able to do so. Individuals, because of
existing karma, are unable to take certain actions, or make
certain responses, that would renovate their karma in the future.
The only way to do this is to transcend ordinary consciousness.
All actions that radically change karma are transcendent actions.


Let's take as an example a woman who is obese, and whose karma
dictates that she will die from heart failure in her 40s. Sure,
all she has to do to change her karma is to eat less every day,
and the fat will diminish. She just has to exercise, and her
cardio-vascular health will improve. However, some overweight
individuals are incapable, on their own, of doing these things.

Others look at them and shake their heads, because the solution to
their problem seems so obvious and easy. To them, it isn't easy.
They simply cannot stay on a diet. Their minds play tricks to
prevent them from losing weight.

For this sort of person, the only answer is to look outside
themselves, and see their problem from a higher vantage. From this
fresh perspective, they may be able to take a new approach to the
problem of weight loss and succeed, where they failed repeatedly
in the past.

Such transcendence of ordinary consciousness is not that common an
occurrence. Sometimes a traumatic event can bring it about -- can
literally shake a person out of their ordinary way of viewing
themselves and their world. Other times, it just happens on its
own, for no obvious external reason.

I guess the answer is that no one can change karma by working
within that karma. In order to change karma, you must first
transcend karma, and see it from the outside, as it were. We are
all potentially capable of doing this, because in addition to our
ordinary consciousness, we have a higher consciousness. Trouble
is, that higher consciousness usually remains mute, and seldom
interferes with our physical lives. Running life from day to day
is left up to ordinary consciousness.
Any time higher consciousness steps in and acts, our lives change
radically and immediately, in what appears to us to be a
miraculous manner. These changes are always showy and spectacular,
but they are miraculous because they transcend karma.

Bits taken from
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.a...?lnk=st&q=karma&rnum=3&hl=en#07c753c928bc9807

 
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CDNBear said:
I believe in it somewhat, I still have a few people on my Rambo map(in the r/w) that still haven't seen the righteous retrobution they so richly deserve, but it seems karma is at work.

No???
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It is a rather common spiritual truth. Even in the Christian faith/Scriptures there is the teachings that a "man reaps what he sows" which is essentially the Christian identification of "karma".
 
Curiosity

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Unfortunately for mankind....

His or her impetus often springs from guilt over pleasure or self-pleasing. Therefore retribution must be part of the admonitions.

When we are children we are taught the value of "the effect of Karma" from our parents in many forms and carry it through our adult lives.

I think it is a harmless force as long as we don't let it dictate our lives. Some pleasures do not carry the weight of guilt and should be enjoyed fully as is our right and gift in life.
 
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Curiosity said:
Unfortunately for mankind....

His or her impetus often springs from guilt over pleasure or self-pleasing. Therefore retribution must be part of the admonitions.

When we are children we are taught the value of "the effect of Karma" from our parents in many forms and carry it through our adult lives.

I think it is a harmless force as long as we don't let it dictate our lives. Some pleasures do not carry the weight of guilt and should be enjoyed fully as is our right and gift in life.
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However, there is a direct and traceable link to our actions causing reactions. One begats the other, as it were.
 
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