Mighty Intellect
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January 15th, 2007, 08:45 PM
When we were born, were we not born out of water? We could say then, that we are all baptized by the same principle of being born of water.
Then again, one could say, that everybody comes short of the glory of God, thus a sinner. Meaning that we are all baptized: into sin.
And or we could say, that Jesus was baptized with all our sins and took the sting of it away.
And then it comes down to the signification of what baptism really is.
In the case of becoming a believer in Jesus, we signify it by being baptized, submersed in water, as though meaning that we are death and buried with Christ’s death and burial, and then resurrected up again. As signifying a new birth, but birth in the spirit.
By the way, all of the above are true.
Can you give me a reason why there would be two Adams mentioned in the bible?
If you can, then you will realize the two births.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting AndyF
Sure, Andy, anybody can baptize anybody, it doesn’t mean anything except for whatever belief one holds.
Yes. Jesus means that everyone is to be baptized.
NewAdvent.org/Baptism
"(2) Extraordinary Minister
In case of necessity, baptism can be administered lawfully and validly by any person whatsoever who observes the essential conditions, whether this person be a Catholic layman or any other man or woman, heretic or schismatic, infedel or Jew. The essential conditions are that the person pour water upon the one to be baptized, at the same time pronouncing the words: "I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" Moreover, he must thereby intend really to baptize the person, or technically, he must intend to perform what the Church performs when administering this sacrament"
AndyF
NewAdvent.org/Baptism
"(2) Extraordinary Minister
In case of necessity, baptism can be administered lawfully and validly by any person whatsoever who observes the essential conditions, whether this person be a Catholic layman or any other man or woman, heretic or schismatic, infedel or Jew. The essential conditions are that the person pour water upon the one to be baptized, at the same time pronouncing the words: "I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" Moreover, he must thereby intend really to baptize the person, or technically, he must intend to perform what the Church performs when administering this sacrament"
AndyF
When we were born, were we not born out of water? We could say then, that we are all baptized by the same principle of being born of water.
Then again, one could say, that everybody comes short of the glory of God, thus a sinner. Meaning that we are all baptized: into sin.
And or we could say, that Jesus was baptized with all our sins and took the sting of it away.
And then it comes down to the signification of what baptism really is.
In the case of becoming a believer in Jesus, we signify it by being baptized, submersed in water, as though meaning that we are death and buried with Christ’s death and burial, and then resurrected up again. As signifying a new birth, but birth in the spirit.
By the way, all of the above are true.
Can you give me a reason why there would be two Adams mentioned in the bible?
If you can, then you will realize the two births.
Peace>>>AJ
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,905
Location: Northern California
Location: Northern California
January 15th, 2007, 09:04 PM
The seed by which Jesus was to be born was by descendent of the Jews. Read the story of Abraham.
The Koran comes from the Abrahams other son Ishmael’s side.
The Koran acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, as well as the Jews. But the Gentiles acknowledge Jesus as the Savior of the world.
The common theme of the bible as a whole is God is love. That has been shown over and over again, and one of these days, humanity will get it right.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
The Koran takes it’s cue from Father Abraham of which the Jewish nation does to.
I can't make out heads or tails what look3467 is trying to say. Without quoting scripture and in plain modern english, what is your point?
Just by that introduction, RSK, I can tell that you are not able to comprehend what I said.
These things can only be spiritually discerned.
I’d give you scriptures to show you what I mean, but obviously, the bible means little to you, so that would not help.
I personally do not believe that "God" sent his son to us to die for our sins. I believe Jesus of Nazareth was a wise and good man with the belief we are all the son/daughter of God and that god is all around us.
You don’t know the story so how could you understand why He died for our sins. As for the latter part of your sentence, you are correct there. Jesus was a wise and a good man and believed that we all are going to be with the Father one day.
That: He made sure of.
I hold that the bible was written many, many years after Jesus was crucified by unlearned men with human failings and biases. A literal translation of the bible is plain wrong. As a good book with some lessons on ethics, morality and as a way to live a good and humble life, it has it's merits.
I’ve explained on another thread about the bibles writers being common folk just like we are. With all our faults and weaknesses, God choose a few to pen His message, using their abilities to write them.
In other words: inspired writings.
The message is there, regardless of who wrote it, the message is the same.
Then so does the Koran and various oriental spiritual paths.
Just by that introduction, RSK, I can tell that you are not able to comprehend what I said.
These things can only be spiritually discerned.
I’d give you scriptures to show you what I mean, but obviously, the bible means little to you, so that would not help.
I personally do not believe that "God" sent his son to us to die for our sins. I believe Jesus of Nazareth was a wise and good man with the belief we are all the son/daughter of God and that god is all around us.
You don’t know the story so how could you understand why He died for our sins. As for the latter part of your sentence, you are correct there. Jesus was a wise and a good man and believed that we all are going to be with the Father one day.
That: He made sure of.
I hold that the bible was written many, many years after Jesus was crucified by unlearned men with human failings and biases. A literal translation of the bible is plain wrong. As a good book with some lessons on ethics, morality and as a way to live a good and humble life, it has it's merits.
I’ve explained on another thread about the bibles writers being common folk just like we are. With all our faults and weaknesses, God choose a few to pen His message, using their abilities to write them.
In other words: inspired writings.
The message is there, regardless of who wrote it, the message is the same.
Then so does the Koran and various oriental spiritual paths.
The seed by which Jesus was to be born was by descendent of the Jews. Read the story of Abraham.
The Koran comes from the Abrahams other son Ishmael’s side.
The Koran acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, as well as the Jews. But the Gentiles acknowledge Jesus as the Savior of the world.
The common theme of the bible as a whole is God is love. That has been shown over and over again, and one of these days, humanity will get it right.
Peace>>>AJ
