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January 29th, 2007, 06:35 PM
[quote=look3467;775400]God is the good that comes out of us!
We are defining God or self everyday.
The more good, the less of: self.
The more self, the less of: God
What are the perimeters?
Well, the tree says it all. I mean the tree of knowledge of: Good and evil.
If it weren’t for evil side of the tree, there would be good, but how good is good?
Without good on the other side of evil, how evil is evil?
So, it is the measure of a man that defines his god.
He is measured, judged by what he does.
If good, then he has somewhat mastered a victory over evil, but must not relent.
If evil: either he has not learned to do good: knows to do good but chooses not to, or lives all for self.
That is how God is defined: by our actions.
Show me your friends, and I can tell you who you are by your friends.
You cannot speak for "me", the good that comes out of me came from my "parents' and all
the generations behind me, and from "what" I decided to do with my gifts from them, which
seems to be turning out fine. I will not accept the "theory" that my goodness came from anything
other than my "real" people in my "real" life. Speak for yourself, you can decide anything you want,
but "not for me", that is "my" business.
[quote=look3467;775400]God is the good that comes out of us!
We are defining God or self everyday.
The more good, the less of: self.
The more self, the less of: God
What are the perimeters?
Well, the tree says it all. I mean the tree of knowledge of: Good and evil.
If it weren’t for evil side of the tree, there would be good, but how good is good?
Without good on the other side of evil, how evil is evil?
So, it is the measure of a man that defines his god.
He is measured, judged by what he does.
If good, then he has somewhat mastered a victory over evil, but must not relent.
If evil: either he has not learned to do good: knows to do good but chooses not to, or lives all for self.
That is how God is defined: by our actions.
Show me your friends, and I can tell you who you are by your friends.
You cannot speak for "me", the good that comes out of me came from my "parents' and all
the generations behind me, and from "what" I decided to do with my gifts from them, which
seems to be turning out fine. I will not accept the "theory" that my goodness came from anything
other than my "real" people in my "real" life. Speak for yourself, you can decide anything you want,
but "not for me", that is "my" business.
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January 29th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
convince me more, grab a microphone go on to the news channel and convice the rest of the world, but even then it may not be the evidence but simply another theory that the world will go by. But I doubt you will be listened to anyway.
Still continuing to ignore the evidence , huh? Too bad.
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January 29th, 2007, 06:38 PM
The universe needs us to exists. Without an observer how can we tell if something is real? We can theorize but we need to experience it to say it is so. One of those wacky philisophicql questions like "does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if there is no one to hear it?". Does the universe exists without a selfaware observer to see it? Zooplankton cannot answer the question only humans can.
Quoting L Gilbert
It does need a reason. Why did it come into being? Why did it not stay as an infinitely small point? Why did it explode in the big bang? What is the reason for the universe to exist?
roflmao
The universe needs a reason to exist? I doubt it. People seem to need a reason for existence, but the universe?
The universe needs a reason to exist? I doubt it. People seem to need a reason for existence, but the universe?
The universe needs us to exists. Without an observer how can we tell if something is real? We can theorize but we need to experience it to say it is so. One of those wacky philisophicql questions like "does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if there is no one to hear it?". Does the universe exists without a selfaware observer to see it? Zooplankton cannot answer the question only humans can.
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January 29th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Quoting Chukcha
oh, the microphone thing again, are you an entertainer or?
convince me more, grab a microphone go on to the news channel and convice the rest of the world, but even then it may not be the evidence but simply another theory that the world will go by. But I doubt you will be listened to anyway.
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January 29th, 2007, 06:42 PM
The Objective Observer! Thats answered my question.
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
It does need a reason. Why did it come into being? Why did it not stay as an infinitely small point? Why did it explode in the big bang? What is the reason for the universe to exist?
The universe needs us to exists. Without an observer how can we tell if something is real? We can theorize but we need to experience it to say it is so. One of those wacky philisophicql questions like "does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if there is no one to hear it?". Does the universe exists without a selfaware observer to see it? Zooplankton cannot answer the question only humans can.
The universe needs us to exists. Without an observer how can we tell if something is real? We can theorize but we need to experience it to say it is so. One of those wacky philisophicql questions like "does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if there is no one to hear it?". Does the universe exists without a selfaware observer to see it? Zooplankton cannot answer the question only humans can.
The Objective Observer! Thats answered my question.
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January 29th, 2007, 06:49 PM
BTW, the substance of theories are real: things like evolution happened whether you admit it or not.
Quoting Chukcha
Why should I convince you of anything? You are obviously not here to discuss anything but to demand things that you won't accept.
convince me more, grab a microphone go on to the news channel and convice the rest of the world, but even then it may not be the evidence but simply another theory that the world will go by. But I doubt you will be listened to anyway.
BTW, the substance of theories are real: things like evolution happened whether you admit it or not.
Quote:
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology. The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.
- http://wilstar.com/theories.htmTheory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology. The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.
Quote:
- http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html A scientific theory or law represents an hypothesis, or a group of related hypotheses, which has been confirmed through repeated experimental tests. Theories in physics are often formulated in terms of a few concepts and equations, which are identified with "laws of nature," suggesting their universal applicability. Accepted scientific theories and laws become part of our understanding of the universe and the basis for exploring less well-understood areas of knowledge. Theories are not easily discarded; new discoveries are first assumed to fit into the existing theoretical framework. It is only when, after repeated experimental tests, the new phenomenon cannot be accommodated that scientists seriously question the theory and attempt to modify it. The validity that we attach to scientific theories as representing realities of the physical world is to be contrasted with the facile invalidation implied by the expression, "It's only a theory." For example, it is unlikely that a person will step off a tall building on the assumption that they will not fall, because "Gravity is only a theory."
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January 29th, 2007, 11:35 PM
[quote=talloola;776102]
Peace>>>AJ
[quote=talloola;776102]
Quoting look3467
As you wish! God is the good that comes out of us!
We are defining God or self everyday.
The more good, the less of: self.
The more self, the less of: God
What are the perimeters?
Well, the tree says it all. I mean the tree of knowledge of: Good and evil.
If it weren’t for evil side of the tree, there would be good, but how good is good?
Without good on the other side of evil, how evil is evil?
So, it is the measure of a man that defines his god.
He is measured, judged by what he does.
If good, then he has somewhat mastered a victory over evil, but must not relent.
If evil: either he has not learned to do good: knows to do good but chooses not to, or lives all for self.
That is how God is defined: by our actions.
Show me your friends, and I can tell you who you are by your friends.
You cannot speak for "me", the good that comes out of me came from my "parents' and all
the generations behind me, and from "what" I decided to do with my gifts from them, which
seems to be turning out fine. I will not accept the "theory" that my goodness came from anything
other than my "real" people in my "real" life. Speak for yourself, you can decide anything you want,
but "not for me", that is "my" business.
We are defining God or self everyday.
The more good, the less of: self.
The more self, the less of: God
What are the perimeters?
Well, the tree says it all. I mean the tree of knowledge of: Good and evil.
If it weren’t for evil side of the tree, there would be good, but how good is good?
Without good on the other side of evil, how evil is evil?
So, it is the measure of a man that defines his god.
He is measured, judged by what he does.
If good, then he has somewhat mastered a victory over evil, but must not relent.
If evil: either he has not learned to do good: knows to do good but chooses not to, or lives all for self.
That is how God is defined: by our actions.
Show me your friends, and I can tell you who you are by your friends.
You cannot speak for "me", the good that comes out of me came from my "parents' and all
the generations behind me, and from "what" I decided to do with my gifts from them, which
seems to be turning out fine. I will not accept the "theory" that my goodness came from anything
other than my "real" people in my "real" life. Speak for yourself, you can decide anything you want,
but "not for me", that is "my" business.
Peace>>>AJ
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January 29th, 2007, 11:40 PM
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
That is a glimpse of what the Father has in store for us.
He said it, I believe it, and that's the way with me.
And what was your reason again?
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
The best that I can come up with, that of the words of Jesus:
For want of a better name. What else do humans call the reason for the existance of the universe?
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. That is a glimpse of what the Father has in store for us.
He said it, I believe it, and that's the way with me.
And what was your reason again?
Peace>>>AJ
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January 30th, 2007, 12:12 AM
That feeling has been with me throughout my life to this very day and has changed not.
I understood it as being God.
So,I always made it my first desire to seek Him out to understand Him better.
I was raised partially a Catholic, then a Baptist and then assemblies of God. It didn't matter where I went, I always felt that God was with me.
Today, I speak to you in love as my faith in God has matured to the stature of His Son Jesus Christ.
I can see as He sees, the souls of mankind as being precious souls. After all, the price He paid with His life was for all our souls bar none.
God then is to me a loving, merciful and wonderful God, who would consider this pebble of the billions of pebbles on the sea shore, worthy to die for.
He is my strength when I am down, He comforts me when I hurt (spiritually) and guides my life down a clear and straight path free of many obstructions.
God touched my soul at the age of 13 when I gave my soul to His safe keeping.
He has blessed me more than what I think I deserve.
I sang a song in church and while singing the song, the light of His countenance, flooded my soul to where I tasted of His love to the inner most chambers of my heart.
I could not and never could be persuaded, that I should deny Jesus as my Savior.
I would prefer death first before I would deny Him.
That is how sure and confident I am in God.
I've read the bible through various times and studied other peoples beliefs, and the more I researched all possibilities of me being wrong in what I believed, I found out that I was correct in my beliefs, just needed some adjustments to my understandings.
So, I share Him with others out of love for others without respect to who they are.
Those who don't believe in God, are still love, for they have a soul too.
Peace>>>AJ
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
As a child I always had this feeling that God was some how interested in me in that I had this inner assurance of being loved by Him.
No quoting of other people. Give me a personal definition of god. No quotes from any books either. Just your personal thoughts in your own words.
That feeling has been with me throughout my life to this very day and has changed not.
I understood it as being God.
So,I always made it my first desire to seek Him out to understand Him better.
I was raised partially a Catholic, then a Baptist and then assemblies of God. It didn't matter where I went, I always felt that God was with me.
Today, I speak to you in love as my faith in God has matured to the stature of His Son Jesus Christ.
I can see as He sees, the souls of mankind as being precious souls. After all, the price He paid with His life was for all our souls bar none.
God then is to me a loving, merciful and wonderful God, who would consider this pebble of the billions of pebbles on the sea shore, worthy to die for.
He is my strength when I am down, He comforts me when I hurt (spiritually) and guides my life down a clear and straight path free of many obstructions.
God touched my soul at the age of 13 when I gave my soul to His safe keeping.
He has blessed me more than what I think I deserve.
I sang a song in church and while singing the song, the light of His countenance, flooded my soul to where I tasted of His love to the inner most chambers of my heart.
I could not and never could be persuaded, that I should deny Jesus as my Savior.
I would prefer death first before I would deny Him.
That is how sure and confident I am in God.
I've read the bible through various times and studied other peoples beliefs, and the more I researched all possibilities of me being wrong in what I believed, I found out that I was correct in my beliefs, just needed some adjustments to my understandings.
So, I share Him with others out of love for others without respect to who they are.
Those who don't believe in God, are still love, for they have a soul too.
Peace>>>AJ
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January 30th, 2007, 12:21 AM
AJ this why I like you so much. You come from Spirit. You Love a loving god. I'll tell ya a little secret....ready? When I was 6 I wanted to be a nun. I wanted to be married to Jesus. He loved everybody. I used to make up songs about his Love. You remind me of that time in my life. *remember its a secret dont tell anyone*
Quoting look3467
So much for bed.
As a child I always had this feeling that God was some how interested in me in that I had this inner assurance of being loved by Him.
That feeling has been with me throughout my life to this very day and has changed not.
I understood it as being God.
So,I always made it my first desire to seek Him out to understand Him better.
I was raised partially a Catholic, then a Baptist and then assemblies of God. It didn't matter where I went, I always felt that God was with me.
Today, I speak to you in love as my faith in God has matured to the stature of His Son Jesus Christ.
I can see as He sees, the souls of mankind as being precious souls. After all, the price He paid with His life was for all our souls bar none.
God then is to me a loving, merciful and wonderful God, who would consider this pebble of the billions of pebbles on the sea shore, worthy to die for.
He is my strength when I am down, He comforts me when I hurt (spiritually) and guides my life down a clear and straight path free of many obstructions.
God touched my soul at the age of 13 when I gave my soul to His safe keeping.
He has blessed me more than what I think I deserve.
I sang a song in church and while singing the song, the light of His countenance, flooded my soul to where I tasted of His love to the inner most chambers of my heart.
I could not and never could be persuaded, that I should deny Jesus as my Savior.
I would prefer death first before I would deny Him.
That is how sure and confident I am in God.
I've read the bible through various times and studied other peoples beliefs, and the more I researched all possibilities of me being wrong in what I believed, I found out that I was correct in my beliefs, just needed some adjustments to my understandings.
So, I share Him with others out of love for others without respect to who they are.
Those who don't believe in God, are still love, for they have a soul too.
Peace>>>AJ
That feeling has been with me throughout my life to this very day and has changed not.
I understood it as being God.
So,I always made it my first desire to seek Him out to understand Him better.
I was raised partially a Catholic, then a Baptist and then assemblies of God. It didn't matter where I went, I always felt that God was with me.
Today, I speak to you in love as my faith in God has matured to the stature of His Son Jesus Christ.
I can see as He sees, the souls of mankind as being precious souls. After all, the price He paid with His life was for all our souls bar none.
God then is to me a loving, merciful and wonderful God, who would consider this pebble of the billions of pebbles on the sea shore, worthy to die for.
He is my strength when I am down, He comforts me when I hurt (spiritually) and guides my life down a clear and straight path free of many obstructions.
God touched my soul at the age of 13 when I gave my soul to His safe keeping.
He has blessed me more than what I think I deserve.
I sang a song in church and while singing the song, the light of His countenance, flooded my soul to where I tasted of His love to the inner most chambers of my heart.
I could not and never could be persuaded, that I should deny Jesus as my Savior.
I would prefer death first before I would deny Him.
That is how sure and confident I am in God.
I've read the bible through various times and studied other peoples beliefs, and the more I researched all possibilities of me being wrong in what I believed, I found out that I was correct in my beliefs, just needed some adjustments to my understandings.
So, I share Him with others out of love for others without respect to who they are.
Those who don't believe in God, are still love, for they have a soul too.
Peace>>>AJ
AJ this why I like you so much. You come from Spirit. You Love a loving god. I'll tell ya a little secret....ready? When I was 6 I wanted to be a nun. I wanted to be married to Jesus. He loved everybody. I used to make up songs about his Love. You remind me of that time in my life. *remember its a secret dont tell anyone*
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January 30th, 2007, 12:25 AM
Ah, the "objective observer." Does anyone seriously doubt that the cosmos was objectively here before there was any sentient being to observe it? Or that there's on objective reality that exists regardless of our limited perceptions of it? Or to put it another way, does anyone really think that the observable universe suddenly sprang into being as soon as consciousness evolved to look at it?
Ah, the "objective observer." Does anyone seriously doubt that the cosmos was objectively here before there was any sentient being to observe it? Or that there's on objective reality that exists regardless of our limited perceptions of it? Or to put it another way, does anyone really think that the observable universe suddenly sprang into being as soon as consciousness evolved to look at it?
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January 30th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Does our reality exist only because weve observed it. Is that your question?
Quoting Dexter Sinister
Is that like asking if noones around does the tree make a noise in the forest?
Ah, the "objective observer." Does anyone seriously doubt that the cosmos was objectively here before there was any sentient being to observe it? Or that there's on objective reality that exists regardless of our limited perceptions of it? Or to put it another way, does anyone really think that the observable universe suddenly sprang into being as soon as consciousness evolved to look at it?
Does our reality exist only because weve observed it. Is that your question?
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February 12th, 2007, 07:28 AM
Love or empathy for other species does not make any sense from an evolutionary viewpoint. For example, when an animal is injured or killed for no justifiable reason, we will likely feel bad about it. Yet there is no evolutionary advantage in us feeling this way and in fact it can be argued that it is a detriment to our own survival since we are competing with them. Instead, us having souls which are capable of loving all living things does explain this.
∙ If we ask the questions, who or what created our Creator if there is such? When did time start? Where did matter and energy come from? Most likely there is no start point and our Creator has always existed as have matter and energy. Contemplating the preceding, I am more inclined to believe that a Designer is ultimately responsible for the existence of our universe.
Love or empathy for other species does not make any sense from an evolutionary viewpoint. For example, when an animal is injured or killed for no justifiable reason, we will likely feel bad about it. Yet there is no evolutionary advantage in us feeling this way and in fact it can be argued that it is a detriment to our own survival since we are competing with them. Instead, us having souls which are capable of loving all living things does explain this.
∙ If we ask the questions, who or what created our Creator if there is such? When did time start? Where did matter and energy come from? Most likely there is no start point and our Creator has always existed as have matter and energy. Contemplating the preceding, I am more inclined to believe that a Designer is ultimately responsible for the existence of our universe.
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February 15th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Quoting Chukcha
Go do your own research.
convince me more, grab a microphone go on to the news channel and convice the rest of the world, but even then it may not be the evidence but simply another theory that the world will go by. But I doubt you will be listened to anyway.
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February 15th, 2007, 08:47 PM
[quote=RomSpaceKnight;776107]It does need a reason.[quote]The universe isn't sentient. It just is.
[quote=RomSpaceKnight;776107]It does need a reason.[quote]The universe isn't sentient. It just is.
Quote:
Who said it had to have a beginning? Who is to say it didn't always exist?
Why did it come into being?
Quote:
Was it an infinitely small point? Maybe it's just a speck in a bigger universe.
Why did it not stay as an infinitely small point?
Quote:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...p5/explode.htm
Why did it explode in the big bang?
Quote:
It doesn't need a reason. It just exists.
What is the reason for the universe to exist?
Quote:
roflmao You think the universe wouldn't exist without someone to see it? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahahaaahahaha hahhhahahahhaa
The universe needs us to exists.
