The relation between the wrong-doing and misguidance

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This is a serious topic which even most of Muslims do not know the truth about it.

God dislikes the wrong-doing; so He misguides the wrong-doer.

He says to man (and even concerning animals) that transgress on each other and on the weak: I am All-Mighty, but I do not wrong anyone ... while you, the weak creature, once you have some power you start to transgress on others specially the weak ... so I will show you the consequence of your wrong-doing: first of all, I will misguide you .. and leave you to devils who will increase your confusion and misguidance, and you will increase in sins .. so that you will come to Me in the Next Life full of sins in addition to your disbelief, and will then deserve the everlasting punishment in Hell fire.
 

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Your god misguides his own intentionally when they are already misguided so they can't be sure if they're actually truly misguided or their god is intentionally misguiding them?

what an aszhole.

 
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I am All-Mighty, but I do not wrong anyone ... while you... you start to transgress on others... I will show you the consequence ... I will misguide you .. and leave you to devils... so that you will come to Me in the Next Life full of sins...and will then deserve the everlasting punishment in Hell fire.
In what conceivable world could that be considered ethical behaviour? You're doing something wrong, so I'll make sure you do even more wrong, then condemn you to an eternity of conscious torment in fire for it. Would you treat your children that way, instead of trying to correct them? That's perverse, and perverted. If that's truly how Allah treats his children, he deserves nothing but scorn and derision, and if you believe that he does and that it's a good thing, you deserve the same. It would mean Allah is not a moral deity and you are not a moral man.
 

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Your god misguides his own intentionally when they are already misguided so they can't be sure if they're actually truly misguided or their god is intentionally misguiding them?

what an aszhole.


Funny. What lies!
{Quran 10: 60. What do they think, those who forge falsehood against God [: are they going to be rewarded or punished] on the Day of Judgment? d }
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d So if they think that they will be punished according to their forging lies against God, then why do they lie against God?

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In what conceivable world could that be considered ethical behaviour? You're doing something wrong, so I'll make sure you do even more wrong, then condemn you to an eternity of conscious torment in fire for it. Would you treat your children that way, instead of trying to correct them? That's perverse, and perverted. If that's truly how Allah treats his children, he deserves nothing but scorn and derision, and if you believe that he does and that it's a good thing, you deserve the same. It would mean Allah is not a moral deity and you are not a moral man.

More and more I discover that you are unfair, and you evade the truth knowingly and deliberately.

So what words I underlined, are the question.

Answer:
God - be glorified - (He is Allah and Yehweh and Khodah and the Great Spirit according to Red Indians)

Allah or God is Most Gracious Most Merciful more than me and you and more than every other creature; even the mercy of the mother: He inserted it in her heart.

God does not wrong anyone: He created animal and man: the bee He guided by the instinct, and He guided man by the mind, and He gave to man the free choice: He defined to him the right way and the wrong way: either to be grateful to God or ungrateful.

Then man who goes upright and follows the way of righteousness and is kind to the poor and the weak --> this man He guides to know Him as One God without equal, and will increase him in guidance and knowledge and guide him to do more righteousness, so as to reward him in the Next Life.

And the man who follows the wrong way: he wrongs people and has a hard heart and does not help the needy and the orphan --> this man He misguides and will leave him to devils to suggest to him the infidelity and disbelief and to be more and more in disbelief and sins, so that this one will be punished in the Next Life.

In addition, God gives people respite, all their life span, so they may repent and correct their evil and wronging others, and this will be by correcting their conduct and refrain from the wrong-doing.

Moreover, He sent man His apostles :) messengers) inviting him to repent and reform his conduct: to be kind to parents, neighbors and kindred, and to help the poor and needy

(God alone knows who is righteous in fact and who is not: even if this man is a kindred of the prophet: like the father of Abraham, the uncle of Mohammed, the grandson of Noah and the wife of Lot.)

So the guidance is up to God: He knows who deserves the guidance and who does not deserve it.

Quran 35: 8, which means:
{God misguides whom He wills and guides aright whom He pleases c.
Therefore d, let not yourself [O Mohammed] perish in grief concerning them e;
God is All-Knowing of what [humiliation and wronging] they do [to the poor and the weak.]
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c It means: God misguides the one who deserves misguidance on account of his wronging people, and He guides the one who deserves guidance on account of his kindness to the poor and needy.

d As you have now known the reason.

e i.e. let not yourself perish with grief concerning them, and don’t be sad for their condition because they disbelieve, for God have misguided them from the way of the truth because they are wrongdoers.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

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How about mutilating the sexual organs of young women what does your fairy tale god think about that selfslime?

This of course is forbidden and against the religion of God and is never stated in the Quran or in any command of the prophet, but it is the tradition of people and their evil customs according to the suggestion of Satan and his plan against the sons of Adam: that is to change the creation of God.

Quran 4: 118-119, which mean:
{118. The [Devil] said, "[God] assuredly, I will take [for deceiving] a large number of Your servants [whom I should deceive in order to fulfill my swearing e.]"

119. "I will mislead them f, arouse vain desires in them g, order them to cleave the ears of cattle h and I will order them to change the creation of God i; whoever takes Satan for a master j instead of God k, he certainly suffers a manifest loss. l "}
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e And I will not break my oath; as is it indicated by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 38: 82-83, which means:
([Iblies] said: "Then [I swear] by Your 'might and glory'! I shall surely seduce [the Children of Adam], altogether."
"Save such of Your servants among them as You select to be devoted."
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f Away from the truth, by the suggestion.

g About every forbidden thing, and I will make them fair-seeming in their eyes; in order that they will sin with it.

h The Arab in the pre-Islam period used to cut the ear of the ewe to mark it as dedicated to their idols, and they would then leave it alone to its way.

i Which is the castration of the cattle and the cock. While the (changing of God’s creation) concerning people: what they do nowadays, when an operation is done for the female hermaphrodite to become a man, and for the male hermaphrodite to become a woman: and this is the changing of God's creation.

Also included in it is the shaving of beards and mustaches, and the epilation of the eyebrows of the woman to become delicate, and cutting the braid off, which is not allowed.

In addition, among the things that Satan ordered people to change are the rice and wheat, so that they changed their advantages by removing their covers: God created vitamin B in the cover of the rice which is the bran, so Satan ordered them to remove the bran from the rice to become more tasty; and God made many starchy substances with a precious food advantage, but Satan ordered them to remove it by purifying the rice by the sieve during its cooking, and by this way the rice advantages of the vitaminous and starchy substances have been removed.

Moreover, he ordered them to remove the cover of the wheat (the bran) so that the bread will be more tasty, while they don't know what nutritious advantages it includes for the body.

j By following his suggestions, and obeying his orders.

k i.e. instead of God's orders.

l In both the World and the Next Life: In the World he will have shame, and he will have the fire chastisement in the Next Life.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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I thought if it was in the holy book it was to be believed. Seems to me the only
think the church and Islam have in common for 1400 is going after children
Religion can somehow justify anything eh selfame?
I don't get caught up in bull sh*t and most of this stuff is just that. God the
hypocrite gave free will and then put conditions on it, then it ain't free will
Selfsame if there is a paradise and i say if we are all here for life lessons and
there ain't no hell we all make it and you just waste your life living from a book
Go out to a night club and enjoy yourself have some fun a few drinks and get
with the boys as it were you will loosen up
 

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When the wrong-doing prevails in the community, they will be almost all of them misguided: they follow the programs of the enthusiasm about Jesus, the prophets, saints, imams, rabbis ..etc; and they follow the atheism which is worse than the idolatry: because the idolater believes in God but he sets equals or peers with God, while the atheist denies God's existence.

So when the wrong-doing prevails in the community, God will send them an apostle: a warner to warn them about the consequence of their disbelief: the atheism and the enthusiasm.

Therefore, most of them will deny the apostle and will not be guided, unless they change their conduct and refrain from the wrong-doing.

Hence, they by now have deserved the punishment, and so the sending of the apostle will be an argument against them; lest they should not say: God, You did not send us anyone to warn us and to acquaint us.

God gave free will and then put conditions on it, then it ain't free will

I answered you about this; don't you read the reply?
 

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I see that you belong to the group of wrong-doers; at least you wrong yourself by being against God.

God is a myth so one cannot be against god.

I see that you belong to the group of wrong-doers; at least you wrong yourself by being against God.

Your cult is all wrong doers. Unless of course you believe that mutilating little girls and blowing up schools full of kids the right thing to do.

And lets not forget stoning women to death because they got raped by a believer.
 

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God does not wrong anyone...the man who follows the wrong way... He misguides... so that this one will be punished in the Next Life.
Saying it over again doesn't make it more believable or acceptable. How is misguiding a man to be worse than he otherwise would be, particularly when you have the power to correct him, just so you can punish him later for it in a uniquely horrible way, not wronging him? I think that's a wicked thing to do, and anyone who thinks it isn't is an ethical cripple.
 

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God is a myth so one cannot be against god.

Your cult is all wrong doers. Unless of course you believe that mutilating little girls and blowing up schools full of kids the right thing to do.

And lets not forget stoning women to death because they got raped by a believer.

Such words are clear examples of the assertions of the atheist.

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Reading a reply would come much easier if the reply wasn't hidden in a riddle - just like the Holy legends.

Many times before, I said: if my words are not clear: tell me to explain more, but you kept repeating the same objections: not trying to understand: but only to object.

Remember - except for you, we're all complete dummies.

I didn't say such thing, but you are ignorant and insisting on your ignorance.
 
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Such words are clear examples of the assertions of the atheist.

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Many times before, I said: if my words are not clear: tell me to explain more, but you kept repeating the same objections: not trying to understand: but only to object.



I didn't say such thing.
Like all religious lunatics Selfsludge, you do not talk with people you talk down to people like they are morons. When the only moron is yeself. :)

Interpretation by Mewhammed Abdul bin Jabbarski Al Hooligan
 

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Such words are clear examples of the assertions of the atheist.

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Many times before, I said: if my words are not clear: tell me to explain more, but you kept repeating the same objections: not trying to understand: but only to object.
Impersonating my wife will get you nowhere



I didn't say such thing.

Interpreted by a different hill billy ;-)...
 

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How is misguiding a man to be worse than he otherwise would be, particularly when you have the power to correct him, just so you can punish him later for it in a uniquely horrible way, not wronging him?

Let the Quran itself explain it:
Quran 32: 12-13, which means:
{ 12. If you [Mohammed] but only see when sinners lower down their heads [with humiliation and shyness] before their Lord [in the Afterlife: the world of souls; saying:]
"Our Lord, we have seen and heard, then return us back [to the life of the World], that we may do [some] righteous [work]; for we [now] are certain [about the reward and the punishment.]"


[Then God – be glorified – said in reply to their words:]
13. If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …


Moreover, this is in the Quran 16: 93, which means:
{[O people] had God willed, He would have made you one nation f.
But He misleads whomever He Will, and guides aright whomever He will g;
and you, [people on Judgment Day,] will surely be questioned
h about all that you used to do [in the life of the World.]}
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f Muslims and monotheists: exclusively devoting themselves to God alone.

g i.e. He misguides whomever deserves the misguidance on account of his evil acts and his wicked intention with people; and He guides whomever is worthy of guidance because of his good conduct and his kindness to the weak and needy.

h So that the disbeliever will be questioned in a way of rebuking and censuring, and the believer will be questioned in a way of judgment.

[I have also found this in the interpretation:
God guides the one who deserves the guidance, and he being prepared for the guidance.]


In addition, God - be glorified - said in the Quran 45: 21, which means:
{Or do those, who slam [the honor of people with their tongues] and work evil,

expect that we will make them [prosper in the Next Life] as [will We give to] those who believe and do righteous deeds:

equal their life [in the World] and their afterlife [following death: so that We shall give them in the afterlife as have We given to them in the life of the World]?

[Nope, it will never be as do they say]; so how wrong they judge [for themselves!]
}

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
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Let the Quran itself explain it...
That doesn't explain it, it just confirms what you've said, that Allah deliberately deludes people into error and then condemns them for it. That's Allah the Beneficent and Merciful? Sounds like a psychopath to me.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
You appear to be according Al-Hilly's work a status about equal to that of the Quran itself, they're the only sources you cite in support of your claims and you often cite Al-Hilly first. Maybe Allah's misguiding you into believing Al-Hilly is right, an idea that gets a certain credibility from the latter's obvious scientific illiteracy. Every scientific claim of his you've reported here is provably wrong. Be careful you don't fall into the idolatry you so condemn in others, or you'll find yourself in Hell with the rest of us. I'll buy you a beer if that happens, we'll both need one, and Islam's prohibition of alcohol won't apply to you anymore.

Well, on second thought, I won't have to buy you a beer. Excessive alcohol consumption is one of the most destructive and damaging things a man can do to himself, it'll be free in Hell.
 
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That doesn't explain it, it just confirms what you've said, that Allah deliberately deludes people into error and then condemns them for it. That's Allah the Beneficent and Merciful? Sounds like a psychopath to me.

What an evasive are you!
Didn't you read what I said in the previous post #17?
God misguides the wrong-doers and you are one of them. At least you wrong yourself by following the atheism and will lose in the end.

You appear to be according Al-Hilly's work a status about equal to that of the Quran itself, they're the only sources you cite in support of your claims and you often cite Al-Hilly first. Maybe Allah's misguiding you into believing Al-Hilly is right, an idea that gets a certain credibility from the latter's obvious scientific illiteracy. Every scientific claim of his you've reported here is provably wrong. Be careful you don't fall into the idolatry you so condemn in others, or you'll find yourself in Hell with the rest of us. I'll buy you a beer if that happens, we'll both need one, and Islam's prohibition of alcohol won't apply to you anymore.

The Quran is the word of God, and Al-Hilly is the inspired interpreter of the Quran, and his explanation therefore is the best explanation of the Quran: both its plain and ambiguous ayat, which none knows but only God.

Moreover, Abu abd-Allah, the Mahdi, was only a human being: he became ill and God cured him, and he ate and drank and said some wrong words then he retreated and corrected them and did not insist on the wrong; his morals were excellent and he was kind-hearted; but yet he was stern against disbelievers and associaters;
he lived and died like all other people, but only he was inspired and the interpretation was revealed to him, while he did not graduate at any school: only he knew the reading and writing of Arabic.

So how will this be any enthusiasm or idolatry?

While what you said about his claimed scientific mistakes; they are not any mistakes: we discussed them before and his words are more logical in the sight of people with scientific attitude not like you sticking to the lectures and school lessons.

If you want to know was he guided or misguided: know then that he invited to God alone without associate and without glorification of anyone else than God .. and this is the best proof of his uprightness.

Well, on second thought, I won't have to buy you a beer. Excessive alcohol consumption is one of the most destructive and damaging things a man can do to himself, it'll be free in Hell.

To this mockery I will not reply: its falsehood is so obvious.

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This is the picture of my teacher, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, with his description embedded in books written hundreds of years ago that the interpreter of the Quran will have such description:


Some of the descriptive features of the Mahdi:
1- The Mahdi is the interpreter of the Quran.
2- The Mhadi is acquainted about the tablets of Moses and the Torah.
3- He has a broad smooth forehead.
3- And straight moderate nose.
3- His arms are longer than usual.
4- He is left handed.
5- He has two names :) his name is combined two named: Mohammed and Ali)
6- He has a mole on his right cheek.
7- His shape is like the shape of the men of the Children of Israel, with an Arab texture.
8- Has other two moles: one on his right shoulder and the other on his right thigh.
9- He is a photographer: a man drawing and then repeats his drawings: i.e. the negative and the positive photograph [after fixing in certain solutions]
10- He has some mild difficulty of articulation (sometimes when the word does not come by his tongue, he will strike his right thigh with his left hand)
11- he is submissive in his prayers like the submission of the eagle on its little birds.

And many other features which I don't remember now or I am in a hurry.
 
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