#1Sep 29th, 2011
We got scared - YouTube
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Also, for the sake of all things
The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
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Sep 30th, 2011
The second video is a rehash of Chaplins "The Greatest Dictator" speech.
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#3 Top Rated PostRe: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by J_Hay
Yes I posted it on another thread a couple of days ago. Can't remember which one - halfhiemerze ya know.The second video is a rehash of Chaplins "The Greatest Dictator" speech.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
XD Yeah, Kudos though, that is a great message to spread ^__^Yes I posted it on another thread a couple of days ago. Can't remember which one - halfhiemerze ya know.
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by J_Hay
It would be nice if the supporters of war would get the message. I just remind myself, when talking to the converted, that it is a good reminder that we are not alone and completely crazy.XD Yeah, Kudos though, that is a great message to spread ^__^
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Mhm. In a nutshell.It would be nice if the supporters of war would get the message. I just remind myself, when talking to the converted, that it is a good reminder that we are not alone and completely crazy.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Sep 30th, 2011
War has always been the result of either religious and political dogma or both. Although I consider myself a spiritual person, I have no use for religion (or politics). Seems like both are just there to control the sheeple by the control freaks who think they get their power from the subjugation of others. Sad, but they really have no idea how reality really works, but so far enough sheeple exist to make them think they know what they are doing. But, slowly the sheeple are waking up. Some day,hopefully in my lifetime, the majority of them will. The youth of today are our hope and our salvation because they are more aware than any other generation that came before them.
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Not to mention more willing to face the consequences that come with speaking out ^_^ I do my damndest to let people know that there are things that they should know but dont, truths that should be spoken aloud but aren't.War has always been the result of either religious and political dogma or both. Although I consider myself a spiritual person, I have no use for religion (or politics). Seems like both are just there to control the sheeple by the control freaks who think they get their power from the subjugation of others. Sad, but they really have no idea how reality really works, but so far enough sheeple exist to make them think they know what they are doing. But, slowly the sheeple are waking up. Some day,hopefully in my lifetime, the majority of them will. The youth of today are our hope and our salvation because they are more aware than any other generation that came before them.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
o7 <---Salute
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
What about war for freedom or peace?War has always been the result of either religious and political dogma or both.
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#10Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss
Is that rhetorical? Violence begets violence. Peace is never attained by violence. It may postpone the inevitable for a short time, but can you remember one year of your life when there was no war somewhere?What about war for freedom or peace?
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Violence is sexy in my opinion.Is that rhetorical? Violence begets violence. Peace is never attained by violence. It may postpone the inevitable for a short time, but can you remember one year of your life when there was no war somewhere?
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Sep 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
For many, sex is violence.Violence is sexy in my opinion.
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#13Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Oct 3rd, 2011
If god created us in his image, why aren't we all invisible?
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Oct 3rd, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
If god created us in his image, why aren't we all invisible?
Are you going to try to trap God with questions like this on Judgment Day?+2
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Oct 3rd, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz
I saw this on a friend's facebook page and thought it was interesting. Never heard that one before. And no, I am not worried about judgement day. My god doesn't judge or punish. People do that to themselves while they are alive.
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#16Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Oct 3rd, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
your absolutely right, all the judgement is done while alive, especially by religions, competing withI saw this on a friend's facebook page and thought it was interesting. Never heard that one before. And no, I am not worried about judgement day. My god doesn't judge or punish. People do that to themselves while they are alive.
one another for business, very much like politicians with their spin and lies trying to get votes.
maybe that is why we say 'rest in peace', for many, it is the only peace they will ever have because
they will no longer be judged.
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#17Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Nov 28th, 2011
The atheists prayer: Lord, please save me from your followers.
What Christians can't seem to understand is that they are not the only deists on the planet, they just think they are the only ones with a direct pipeline to the Big G and their Big G is the only true Big G - a triad of Big Daddy, The Kid and the Holy Spook. Atheists and agnostics don't hate Christians, they just hate their self righteous arrogance, their always talking down to anyone who doesn't believe as they do in fairy tales and magic. Their constant judgements about how everybody who doesn't kiss God butt exactly the way they do are all going to Burn Baby Burn. Perhaps if they came down off their high horse and joined the human race, you know the one with flawed psyches, pimples and smelly poop, they might get a little more respect from the rest of humanity.
But don't fret. Soon you all will be in the big revival meeting in the sky while the rest of great unwashed fry for eternity when the Kid comes back and smotes the rest of us heathen.
BTW I am not an atheist nor an agnostic. And I would like to clarify that I am referring to the fundamentalist Christian evangelical types who give the rest of Christendom a bad name.
What Christians can't seem to understand is that they are not the only deists on the planet, they just think they are the only ones with a direct pipeline to the Big G and their Big G is the only true Big G - a triad of Big Daddy, The Kid and the Holy Spook. Atheists and agnostics don't hate Christians, they just hate their self righteous arrogance, their always talking down to anyone who doesn't believe as they do in fairy tales and magic. Their constant judgements about how everybody who doesn't kiss God butt exactly the way they do are all going to Burn Baby Burn. Perhaps if they came down off their high horse and joined the human race, you know the one with flawed psyches, pimples and smelly poop, they might get a little more respect from the rest of humanity.
But don't fret. Soon you all will be in the big revival meeting in the sky while the rest of great unwashed fry for eternity when the Kid comes back and smotes the rest of us heathen.
BTW I am not an atheist nor an agnostic. And I would like to clarify that I am referring to the fundamentalist Christian evangelical types who give the rest of Christendom a bad name.
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Nov 28th, 2011
Fundemental christianity is the only flavour since the fourth century. While the various sects appear to be divergent in the extreme they are fundementaly the same because they all adhere to and teach the exoteric such as the physical christ instead of the intended esoteric.
This change of program was by design specifically to broaden the appeal to the vulgar masses who as always require close efficient supervision. Original christianity is only accesable by a tiny minority, that is esentially true for all higher truth.
This change of program was by design specifically to broaden the appeal to the vulgar masses who as always require close efficient supervision. Original christianity is only accesable by a tiny minority, that is esentially true for all higher truth.
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Nov 28th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Of course, higher truth needs to be earned. Initiation is sometime a harrowing experience and quite often involves near death and resurrection.Fundemental christianity is the only flavour since the fourth century. While the various sects appear to be divergent in the extreme they are fundementaly the same because they all adhere to and teach the exoteric such as the physical christ instead of the intended esoteric.
This change of program was by design specifically to broaden the appeal to the vulgar masses who as always require close efficient supervision. Original christianity is only accesable by a tiny minority, that is esentially true for all higher truth.
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Nov 28th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
No work no pay. They forgot to tell me that in sunday school. Maybe they didn't have a clue about their subject matter.Of course, higher truth needs to be earned. Initiation is sometime a harrowing experience and quite often involves near death and resurrection.
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Nov 28th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Do ya think?No work no pay. They forgot to tell me that in sunday school. Maybe they didn't have a clue about their subject matter.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Nov 28th, 2011
Wothehell does "higher truth" mean? It's always sounded like another phrase for unsubstantiated mystic nonsense to me, and that's generally what it's proven to be when I've questioned people who use it.
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Nov 28th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
If you start out with the assumption that it is mystic nonsense then that is where you end up. If you tune into closed circuit TV to watch a hockey game, then don't expect anything else.Wothehell does "higher truth" mean? It's always sounded like another phrase for unsubstantiated mystic nonsense to me, and that's generally what it's proven to be when I've questioned people who use it.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Nov 28th, 2011
I start out with the assumption that people understand what they're talking about, or I wouldn't bother asking what they think it means. So far, without exception the phrase has turned out under questioning to mean nothing, so I feel justified in expecting that's probably what it means here too, but if anybody would care to attempt a better explanation that satisfies the criteria for testing the truth content of claims, I'd like to see it.
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Nov 29th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
What I learned I learned through experience. I entered into situations with an open mind in which I suspended belief. Belief tends to get in the way of learning. Belief means a rigid set of criteria, a fixed way of observing and evaluating. Whether it is religious or scientific, dogma is dogma and there is no room for experiences that are out of the ordinary, outside the accepted realm of accepted possibilities.I start out with the assumption that people understand what they're talking about, or I wouldn't bother asking what they think it means. So far, without exception the phrase has turned out under questioning to mean nothing, so I feel justified in expecting that's probably what it means here too, but if anybody would care to attempt a better explanation that satisfies the criteria for testing the truth content of claims, I'd like to see it.
As a small example of initiation, as I mentioned in a previous post, every tribal, indigenous culture had a process of initiation. No matter what form it took, the purpose was almost always the same, to destroy the childhood ego and to have the child, usually at puberty, be reborn into his or her adult responsibilities within that culture. To us it would seem barbaric and senseless to do that to a child. But the process was born of necessity because of the nature of the culture (hunter/gatherers) and the environment in which they needed to survive.
In our society, we really have no such process, so the childhood ego remains in tack for most of our lives, reaping havoc on our fragile psyches. Jealousy, envy, hate, anger are all attached to that ego. In essence, none of us really matures beyond a dysfunctional infantile emotional state. We have short circuited the process that leads to emotional maturity by eliminating the initiation process. Now I have heard all kinds of arguments that say we have different ways of initiation but none is as effective as killing the childhood ego. It is a horrendous process that we can't seem to stomach.
There is one way that some in our culture accidentally get initiated and that is through near death experiences. Quite often, leaving the body is involved and being teleported to a different realm of existence. This has been recorded in countless journals and personal accountings. At this point quite often a gift is received: a gift of insight or healing or whatever. If a person does not use these gifts upon returning to consciousness, they may lose that gift. One thing that happens quite commonly is that the person has a profound change in the way they live their life and how they relate to others and their surroundings. If you ask them what happened, you will get vague answers because usually the experience is almost impossible to relate in any way other could understand unless they had gone through a similar experience.
Something happens on the other side. It is different for each individual because their beliefs and life experiences colour how they experience it. Many initiation rituals and ceremonies mimic near death experiences and can have just as profound an affect on how the person changes how they live their lives and how they understand life and its purpose. Things that used to be important no long are. Any way that is a lot so I will leave it at that for now. There are thousands of books on this and related subjects but they will have to wait for another day.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Nov 29th, 2011
Lot of things I could quibble with there Cliffy, like your statement of what belief means, the purpose of initiation rituals, and what actually happens in a near death experience, but they wouldn't really be on point.. The point is that you assume a lot of things to be true, without evidence. How can you know, for instance, that the near death experience involves leaving the body and being teleported to a different realm of existence? There's no good evidence that's what happens, there's not even any good evidence that there IS "the other side," as a lot of people call it. All we have is a lot of anecdotal reports of how people interpret what happened to them, and that's not evidence. There's only one method we've ever discovered for reliably testing the truth content of claims, and those claims don't survive it.
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Nov 29th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Just as I thought.Lot of things I could quibble with there Cliffy, like your statement of what belief means, the purpose of initiation rituals, and what actually happens in a near death experience, but they wouldn't really be on point.. The point is that you assume a lot of things to be true, without evidence. How can you know, for instance, that the near death experience involves leaving the body and being teleported to a different realm of existence? There's no good evidence that's what happens, there's not even any good evidence that there IS "the other side," as a lot of people call it. All we have is a lot of anecdotal reports of how people interpret what happened to them, and that's not evidence. There's only one method we've ever discovered for reliably testing the truth content of claims, and those claims don't survive it.
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Re: The View of a Non-Believer ~ DogmaCURE
Nov 29th, 2011
Without evidence, all you've got is speculation and wishful thinking, whatever else you call it.
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Nov 29th, 2011
What evidence exists to tell you that you need a drink?
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Dec 17th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Wow, a gnostic. I have never heard or read one in person before, although I had heard there were still some around. They jumped on the Christian bandwagon pretty early, as I recall, and were going full steam and writing their own gospels by the third century.Fundemental christianity is the only flavour since the fourth century. While the various sects appear to be divergent in the extreme they are fundementaly the same because they all adhere to and teach the exoteric such as the physical christ instead of the intended esoteric.
This change of program was by design specifically to broaden the appeal to the vulgar masses who as always require close efficient supervision. Original christianity is only accesable by a tiny minority, that is esentially true for all higher truth.
Well met.
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