I agree. If RC isn't your thing then too damn bad.
Tempers flare over school prayers in Toronto
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In Toronto there is a public school system and a separate school system, which is operated by the Catholics.
Toronto taxpayers have their choice of either their tax dollars supporting one or the other.
Prayers in public schools are not necessary and if parents feel strongly about prayer in the schools then they should get their kids enrolled the separate school system.
Why should the RC church get special treatment? Have one system, and if you don't like it, stay home.
I have no objection to prayer or a moment of silence before school. What is wrong with enforcing a kid to shut up for a minute to reflect on what they will do that day. Doesn't have to be prayer, doesn't have to be religious.
I am curious as to how the arguement would stand up to a constitutional challenge though.
What argument do you mean, that prayer should, or should not, be allowed in a supposedly secular public school system? The constitution guarantees Catholics the right to operate their own school systems, it was part of the deal to get the predominantly Catholic French-speaking minority to accept the original terms of confederation, but otherwise the constitution hasn't much to say about religion.There's certainly nothing like U.S. constitution's establishment clause in it.
Charter challenge I should have said I guess; freedom of religion.
No way - The SCOC will not alter the terms that were agreed to.
Interesting idea, though I suppose it'd depend on the precise nature of the challenge. Freedom of religion just means you're free to practice whatever religion you want, assuming of course that its rituals and practices don't include doing things that are illegal in other contexts, but it doesn't mean the state is obliged to provide facilities for you. Toronto Muslims, for instance, don't have the right to insist the school board provide space for their prayer rituals, it's been granted them as a privilege. I don't really see this as a matter of religious rights, it's just convenient and newsworthy for the antagonists to spin it in those terms. The school board has allowed some of its facilities to be used for a particular purpose that some people see as incommensurate with the goals and ideals of public education, or perhaps Canadian society more generally, and they want it stopped. I think they're right in this particular case, the separation of males and females and denying menstruating girls the right to participate because they're considered unclean are not consistent with what I'd consider reasonable expectations of equality and privacy, and a secular public institution should not be enabling them.
. But the adherence to the Muslim faith, as I understand it and I could be wrong, necessitates prayer at certain times of the day doesn't it? So if compliance with the tenets of the faith conflicts with school schedules and the school board does not provide some sort of allowance for the prayers (by setting aside some sort of place and time for prayer to occur), could this be construed as a barrier to freedom of religion?
Catholicism is not mentioned once in the article.
I gather that, while you read the article, you managed to not read the original post.
Charter challenge I should have said I guess; freedom of religion.
Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
Actually, no it doesn't. But you go ahead and keep twisting shyte to fit your own agenda.
Yes it does. Your right to follow your cult's indoctrination ends when it impinges on anyone else's religion . Non religious people have the right to be free of your dogma.
No, because I can see where morons like you would take it if it was true. Soon, you'd be complaining about having to walk by the local Parish and how it infringes on your "rights".
Yes it does. Your right to follow your cult's indoctrination ends when it impinges on anyone else's religion . Non religious people have the right to be free of your dogma.
Someone help out the ignorant (and too lazy to google) here..
Is this just casual praying? Like, during recess or out of class?
Or does this actually affect the curriculum?
Gerry is correct on that - Read up on it
I'd say taxslave is correct according to what you posted. Freedom of conscience, thought, belief, opinion, and expression, surely extend to being free of any religious beliefs or any compulsion to respect them in others.