The palaces in the sky

The palaces in the sky

eanassir

#1Jul 20th, 2011

There are aethereal palaces invisible to the mortals: high up in the sky: it is the paradise of abode following death: for the righeous people devoting themselves to God alone and believing in Mohammed and the Quran.

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God - be glorified - said in the Quran 15: 16
وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِي السَّمَاء بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّاهَا لِلنَّاظِرِينَ

The explanation:
(And We have made castles in heavens; making them fair-seeming to those who look on.)

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Abu Abd-Allah told me that when he went in his trip in the spirit world, he saw palaces hanged up in the sky and there was a man calling him: Come here, Mohammed-Ali, here are your brothers; I am your grandfather: Mahmood.
The child answered his grandfather: No, I will not come, you are only cheating me; I don't know you even.

If we look to a piece of cloth, we think it is compact; while if we use a magnifying lens we shall know that the piece of cloth is not compact, but it has a large number of pores.
As such is the sky above us; we see it is compact, but when we die, we shall discover it is cracked like the mud becoming dry: it will be cracked.

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So when the interpreter - in his childhood - went into his trip (for one hour) in the spirit world, he saw the sky cracked and fissured like the dry mud.
"Then I lifted my head to the sky, and saw it cracked and fissured [like the fissuring and cracking of the mud when it becomes dry], in a different way from that which I was used to see it before"

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earth_as_one

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 20th, 2011

Humans saw the sky from the other side, when we made footprints on the moon.

eanassir

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 20th, 2011

The cracks in the gaseous heavens:

When we look to the sky now when we are living in this World, we shall see it compacted and homogenous, and if we look once again to ascertain that, we shall see it is compact whatever we look with open eyes; but when we die and become ethereal souls, then our sight will be more keen than our vision in this World.

It is like one wearing a semi-transparent glasses: he can only see some of the surrounding objects, specially the illuminating objects, then when he takes off the glasses, he will be able to see all the surrounding objects.

Therefore, as if our bodies act like a veil over our sight, so we cannot see the spirit world, but when we die we shall see both the material and spiritual objects.

([God] Who has created seven stratified heavens; you cannot see any non-observance in the creation of the Most Gracious!
Then [look at the sky and] turn your [eye-] sight again [to make sure]: Can you see any rifts [in the heavens]? [No, of course.]

Then turn your [eye-] sight twice [to the gaseous heavens!] –– your [eye-] sight shall return to you disappointed eventhough it be open-eyed [: without additional aid.] )

The above between brackets is the meaning of the Quran 67: 3-4

. الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍطِبَاقًا مَّا تَرَى فِي خَلْقِ الرَّحْمَنِ مِن تَفَاوُتٍ فَارْجِعِ الْبَصَرَهَلْ تَرَى مِن فُطُورٍ

. ثُمَّ ارْجِعِ الْبَصَرَ كَرَّتَيْنِيَنقَلِبْ إِلَيْكَ الْبَصَرُ خَاسِأً وَهُوَ حَسِيرٌ

taxslave

-1

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 20th, 2011

Couldn't you find a muzzie forum to write your garbage on? Or don't they want you either?

Dexter Sinister

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 20th, 2011

Well, at least he didn't put these claims in the Science and Environment section, though I have seen him offer that seven heavens thing as science.

YukonJack

-1

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

eanassir, if there is a palace for you in the sky, please, go there. Live in splendor.

And leave us ordinary and sinful people alone. Nobody cares about the crix-crax you present as the words from the Quoran, because nobody cares about the Quoran.

Find a forum for you garbage. Anyone suggested Saudi Arabia? Or Iran?

eanassir

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

eanassir, if there is a palace for you in the sky, please, go there. Live in splendor.

And leave us ordinary and sinful people alone.

How to reach to these palaces: Breaking through the obstacle

Not everyone can go to the paradise of abode to live in these ethereal houses and palaces; but he has to assault the difficult obstacle.
Man has to overcome this difficulty and pass the obstacle: and this can't be done unless by storming or breaking through.
Man has to break through the obstacle which is the suffocating and poisonous gaseous layers: so he cannot go to the paradise of abode unless he crosses the suffocating gaseous layers of the upper atmosphere.

Not everyone can break through the barrier or obstacle: but only if:
- he frees the slave or the captive.
- or feeds the orphan of near kindred or the wretched needy in the time of famine and starvation.
- and he should be one of the believers who enjoin, on themselves, patience and mercy.

Then he may go to the paradise of abode and dwell in these palaces,

or else if he is an atheist, a blasphemer, a disbeliever in God as One God without associate or son or patron, and a disbeliever in Mohammed and the Quran --> then such disbelievers will stay on earth and cannot go to these palaces.

(But he cannot assault [or rush through or break through] the steep [in order to enter into Paradise.]
And do you know what [work, makes him worthy of assaulting] the steep?

[It is] to free a slave or a captive.

Or to feed in the time of starvation:
An orphan of the relatives.
Or a poor man who sits in the dust [from poverty.]

In addition to be one of those who believe and advise each other to be steadfast, and advise each other to be merciful.

Such will have 'success and happiness' [in Paradise.] )

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 90: 11-18

فَلَا اقْتَحَمَ الْعَقَبَةَ . وَمَاأَدْرَاكَ مَا الْعَقَبَةُ. فَكُّ رَقَبَةٍ . أَوْإِطْعَامٌ فِي يَوْمٍ ذِي مَسْغَبَةٍ. يَتِيمًا ذَا مَقْرَبَةٍ . أَوْ مِسْكِينًا ذَا مَتْرَبَةٍ . ثُمَّكَانَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَتَوَاصَوْا بِالصَّبْرِ وَتَوَاصَوْابِالْمَرْحَمَةِ . أُوْلَئِكَ أَصْحَابُ الْمَيْمَنَةِ

Cliffy

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

As a friend once said, "bring me all those who are dying to go to paradise. I'll help them on their way."

Going by what people believe in the Bible and the Quran, people have a very low opinion of their god - "Kiss my ass and maybe I'll let you into my inner circle". I can't understand why the absurdity of it hasn't hit them yet.

earth_as_one

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

I'm agnostic Cliffy. I tend to agree with your comment.

At the same time, I respect the right of others to believe what they like, as long as they try don't try to forcefully impose their beliefs on others. eanassir isn't doing that. He's just sharing his beliefs with everyone and leaving it up to us to consider them. Thank you e for sharing.

I welcome a diversity of viewpoints on this forum, including the viewpoints of people who disagree with me. That's called tolerance. As far as I know, eanassir has never violated forum rules or insulted anyone. I wish more forum users would behave as well as eanassir. (BTW, I can't claim to be as good at following forum rules as eanassir)

Cliffy

#10

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one

I'm agnostic Cliffy. I tend to agree with your comment.

At the same time, I respect the right of others to believe what they like, as long as they try don't try to forcefully impose their beliefs on others. eanassir isn't doing that. He's just sharing his beliefs with everyone and leaving it up to us to consider them. Thank you e for sharing.

I welcome a diversity of viewpoints on this forum, including the viewpoints of people who disagree with me. That's called tolerance. As far as I know, eanassir has never violated forum rules or insulted anyone. I wish more forum users would behave as well as eanassir. (BTW, I can't claim to be as good at following forum rules as eanassir)

I don't care what people believe. I do, however, object to people who tell everybody who doesn't believe as they do that they are going to suffer for all eternity. That is truly ignorant. If all eanassir was doing was telling us what he believes, I would have no problem with him. Besides that, I have a right to express my opinion too and my opinion is that religion is nonsense based on thirty five years of studying comparative religious and philosophical belief systems.

Dexter Sinister

#11

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

...or else if he is an atheist, a blasphemer, a disbeliever in God as One God without associate or son or patron, and a disbeliever in Mohammed and the Quran --> then such disbelievers will stay on earth and cannot go to these palaces.

Good for god, he must have knowingly (being omnipotent and omniscient and all that) set things up deliberately so that most of his favourite creatures can't go. Not that I'd want to anyway, sounds like it'll be a desperately dull party.

taxslave

#12

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Good for god, he must have knowingly (being omnipotent and omniscient and all that) set things up deliberately so that most of his favourite creatures can't go. Not that I'd want to anyway, sounds like it'll be a desperately dull party.

Yea I never thought spending eternity praying, playing a harp etc as being much fun.

eanassir

#13

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

As a friend once said, "bring me all those who are dying to go to paradise. I'll help them on their way."

Going by what people believe in the Bible and the Quran, people have a very low opinion of their god -

You, as a denier of God, the afterlife, Paradise and Hell --> certainly you will not see Paradise.

gerryh

#14

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

You, as a denier of God, the afterlife, Paradise and Hell --> certainly you will not see Paradise.

Yes he will, and I'm sure it will piss off those, like you, that figure our Heavenly Father will be picking favorites.

eanassir

#15

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Good for god, he must have knowingly (being omnipotent and omniscient and all that) set things up deliberately so that most of his favourite creatures can't go. Not that I'd want to anyway, sounds like it'll be a desperately dull party.

By such words you want to assert the atheism is correct, and that God should admit all people to Paradise; this is wrong.
God misguides the wrong-doer and he will come to the afterlife as a disbeliever, idolater, associater and atheist --> so he will deserve Hell for ever.

(Shall We then treat those who surrender [to Our commandment] like the guilty?
What is the matter with you? How can you judge [the prosperity of Paradise for yourselves?] )

The above is the explanation of the Quran 68: 35-36

أَفَنَجْعَلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ كَالْمُجْرِمِينَ ? مَا لَكُمْ كَيْفَ تَحْكُمُونَ

This meaning is evidently obvious in the Quran with a large number of ayat.

Cliffy

#16 Top Rated Post

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

You, as a denier of God, the afterlife, Paradise and Hell --> certainly you will not see Paradise.

The problem is not god but your beliefs about it and your judgements on those who don't believe as you do.
Don't worry though, because when you arrive at the gates of paradise, I will greet you as a brother non-the-less.

gerryh

#17

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

By such words you want to assert the atheism is correct, and that God should admit all people to Paradise; this is wrong.
God misguides the wrong-doer and he will come to the afterlife as a disbeliever, idolater, associater and atheist --> so he will deserve Hell for ever.
(Shall We then treat those who surrender [to Our commandment] like the guilty?
What is the matter with you? How can you judge [the prosperity of Paradise for yourselves?] )
The above is the explanation of the Quran 68: 35-36
أَفَنَجْعَلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ كَالْمُجْرِمِينَ ? مَا لَكُمْ كَيْفَ تَحْكُمُونَ
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So, what you're saying is, that our Heavenly Fathers love for his children IS conditional. Is that right? God's love for us is NOT unconditional? He loves some less than others? He plays favorites?

eanassir

#18

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Yes he will, and I'm sure it will piss off those, like you, that figure our Heavenly Father will be picking favorites.

And you too like him in like manner; see my reply to DS above.

(Jews and Christians say: "We are God's sons and His beloved ones." [i.e. that they are to God like the son to his father according to their claim]

Say: "Why then does He punish you according to your sins? [in the World by your enemy, and in the afterlife in fire as it is mentioned in your scripture: I add the chattering of teeth.]

Not so, you are but mortals: [some] of those whom He has created:[no difference between you and the rest of God's creatures]
He forgives to whom He pleases [when such man repents] and chastises whom He pleases [when such man deserves it].

God's is the ownership of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them [He can exterminate the disbelievers in one minute I add like the people of Pompei and Herculaneum], and the final resorting [following your death] will be to Him.

[i.e. your souls will resort to Him following your death, and He will deal with you according to your deeds] )

The above is the explanation of the Quran 5: 18

وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ وَالنَّصَارَى نَحْنُ أَبْنَاء اللّهِ وَأَحِبَّاؤُهُ قُلْ فَلِمَ يُعَذِّبُكُم بِذُنُوبِكُم بَلْ أَنتُم بَشَرٌ مِّمَّنْ خَلَقَ يَغْفِرُ لِمَن يَشَاء وَيُعَذِّبُ مَن يَشَاء وَلِلّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَإِلَيْهِ الْمَصِيرُ

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gerryh

#19

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

And you too like him in like manner; see my reply to DS above.
(Jews and Christians say: "We are God's sons and His beloved ones." [i.e. that they are to God like the son to his father according to their claim]
Say: "Why then does He punish you according to your sins? [in the World by your enemy, and in the afterlife in fire as it is mentioned in your scripture: I add the chattering of teeth.]
Not so, you are but mortals: [some] of those whom He has created:[no difference between you and the rest of God's creatures]
He forgives to whom He pleases [when such man repents] and chastises whom He pleases [when such man deserves it].
God's is the ownership of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them [He can exterminate the disbelievers in one minute I add like the people of Pompei and Herculaneum], and the final resorting [following your death] will be to Him.
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Nope, you're wrong. The difference between you and I is that I KNOW that I am right and therefore do not have the need to constantly reassure myself like you so obviously do. That's OK though, because the day will come when you will see that you have been mislead.

eanassir

#20

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

The religious leaders [like monks, sages, sheikhs] have cheated people that they will be forgiven and enter Paradise if they love Moses, Jesus or Ali or others; and that these will most certainly intercede for them, because they love them and by their inetecession, they will certainly go to Paradise.

Such religious leaders enhanced the enthusiasm about these servants of God: the prophets and righteous people, until people started to be enthusiastic about Jesus, Moses, Bar Yohaya, Ali and his sons ...etc. And the religious leaders got the high esteem and position and the money.

These impostors: the religious leaders like monks, clergys, sages and rabbis and sheikhs asserted to people that whatever they do, they will go to Paradise and prosperity in the afterlife because they love their patrons, and so the patrons love them and plead God to forgive them and admit them into His mercy.

(It is not according to your vain desires [Muslims] nor the vain desires of the people of the Bible [Jews and Christians];
but anyone who does evil shall be punished accordingly, and shall not find for him beside God any patron or helper.

And anyone who does good works – be it male or female – and being a believer [in God alone without associate or son], they shall enter into Paradise, and shall not be wronged a jot.

And who can be better in compliance [to God] than one who submits himself to God; while being a well-doer and who follows the creed of Abraham, the monotheist; God took Abraham for a loyal friend.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 4: 123

لَّيْسَ بِأَمَانِيِّكُمْ وَلا أَمَانِيِّ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مَن يَعْمَلْ سُوءًا يُجْزَ بِهِ وَلاَ يَجِدْ لَهُ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلاَ نَصِيرًا

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Nope, you're wrong. The difference between you and I is that I KNOW that I am right and therefore do not have the need to constantly reassure myself like you so obviously do. That's OK though, because the day will come when you will see that you have been mislead.

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I see that you are sure more than Jesus himself who cried from the fear of God.

gerryh

#21

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

The religious leaders [like monks, sages, sheikhs] have cheated people that they will be forgiven and enter Paradise if they love Moses, Jesus or Ali or others; and that these will most certainly intercede for them, because they love them and by their inetecession, they will certainly go to Paradise.
Such religious leaders enhanced the enthusiasm about these servants of God: the prophets and righteous people, until people started to be enthusiastic about Jesus, Moses, Bar Yohaya, Ali and his sons ...etc. And the religious leaders got the high esteem and position and the money.
These impostors: the religious leaders like monks, clergys, sages and rabbis and sheikhs asserted to people that whatever they do, they will go to Paradise and prosperity in the afterlife because they love their patrons, and so the patrons love them and plead God to forgive them and admit them into His mercy.
(It is not according to your vain desires [Muslims] nor the vain desires of the people of the Bible [Jews and Christians];
but anyone who does evil shall be punished accordingly, and shall not find for him beside God any patron or helper.
And anyone who does good works – be it male or female – and being...
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Whatever, believe what you wish. I don't believe because some priest,monk, rabbi, or imam told me. I don't believe because some book has told me. But since, obviously, your entire belief is based on a book(s) rather than your soul, rather than a personal relationship with our Father, I know you won't/can't understand. How unfortunate for you.

Cliffy

#22

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

And what you fail to see is that your belief in the Quran and Mohammed and Al Hilly is an enthusiasm. You can try and BS yourself that it isn't, but it is, making you no different than those you condemn. If what you are saying about enthusiasm and associates has any validity, there is only one avenue left to anyone who wants to know god and that is to give up all beliefs in historical figures and books and ask the source directly for guidance. Go into the wilderness and pray for guidance. That is the only option you have left yourself with those beliefs. And that is exactly what I have been advocating all along. If you want to know the truth, go to the Source. Everything else is just someone's opinion.

eanassir

#23

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Whatever, believe what you wish. I don't believe because some priest,monk, rabbi, or imam told me. I don't believe because some book has told me. But since, obviously, your entire belief is based on a book(s) rather than your soul, rather than a personal relationship with our Father, I know you won't/can't understand. How unfortunate for you.

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So you believe according to a personal relationship with your Father; what an assertion. And you don't follow any book or book(s).
So have God [according to your personal relationship with Him] told you this, or do you forge it against God Most Gracious?

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

And what you fail to see is that your belief in the Quran and Mohammed and Al Hilly is an enthusiasm. You can try and BS yourself that it isn't, but it is, making you no different than those you condemn. If what you are saying about enthusiasm and associates has any validity, there is only one avenue left to anyone who wants to know god and that is to give up all beliefs in historical figures and books and ask the source directly for guidance. Go into the wilderness and pray for guidance. That is the only option you have left yourself with those beliefs. And that is exactly what I have been advocating all along. If you want to know the truth, go to the Source. Everything else is just someone's opinion.

So acquaint us about your guidance after you went to the wilderness, that we may follow your guidance and leave the Quran and Mohammed !?

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Cliffy

#24

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

So you believe according to a personal relationship with your Father; what an assertion. And you don't follow any book or book(s).
So have God [according to your personal relationship with Him] told you this, or do you forge it against God Most Gracious?

So acquaint us about your guidance after you went to the wilderness, that we may follow your guidance and leave the Quran and Mohammed !?

You are really being silly now, aren't you? You are not supposed to follow anybody. You ask god for your personal guidance. It is a promise in the Bible: Seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall receive" (or something like that).

The Bible and the Quran are guide books. They point in the direction that you should go. They are not intended to be the end all and be all for everyone. What did Jesus and Mohammed do to gain their wisdom? They went into the wilderness. They spent time by themselves with their creator. You don't need a book, you need an open heart and an open mind. Spirit cannot enter a closed vessel.

eanassir

#25

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Silly Cliffy standing on the cliff and utters his silly words haphazardly.

Cliffy

#26

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Silly Cliffy standing on the cliff and utters his silly words haphazardly.

That is the best you got? Can you challenge what I said without quoting the Quran? Is you mind that locked down?

eanassir

#27

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

That is the best you got? Can you challenge what I said without quoting the Quran? Is you mind that locked down?

If one respects me, he then has the right that I should respect him.

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Another aya in the Quran 25: 61 about such palaces in heaven or Paradise:
تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ فِي السَّمَاء بُرُوجًا وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا سِرَاجًا وَقَمَرًا مُّنِيرًا

The explanation:
(Blessed be [God]* Who has placed in heaven palaces, and has placed therein a lamp and a moon giving light.)

* It means: His surplus on you, Mohammed, and on the believers in Paradise, has exceedingly increased.

lone wolf

#28

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

So ... with all the airplanes zipping all over the sky, how come one of these invisible palaces has never even made a dent in one of them? If they're above where airplanes can fly, how does anyone breathe?

eanassir

#29

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

Kinds of houses and homes in Paradise:
1- Tents: this is given to people who were familiar with living in tents during their Worldly life.
God - be glorified - said in the Quran 55: 72
حُورٌ مَّقْصُورَاتٌ فِي الْخِيَامِ

The explanation:
(Whitish women that dwell in tents.)

This is because people who used to dwell in tents cannot live in houses, and they then feel depressed like the imprisoned.

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

So ... with all the airplanes zipping all over the sky, how come one of these invisible palaces has never even made a dent in one of them? If they're above where airplanes can fly, how does anyone breathe?

The ethereal paradises are higher than the stratosphere where airplanes fly.

2- palaces: as in the Quran 25: 10
تَبَارَكَ الَّذِي إِن شَاء جَعَلَ لَكَ خَيْرًا مِّن ذَلِكَ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ وَيَجْعَل لَّكَ قُصُورًا

The explanation:
(Blessed be [God's grace on you] Who, if He will, shall assign to you [Mohammed] better than that: gardens underneath which rivers flow, and shall assign to you palaces.)

3- good habitations:
God - be glorified - said in the Quran 9: 72
وَعَدَ اللّهُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا وَمَسَاكِنَ طَيِّبَةً فِي جَنَّاتِ عَدْنٍ وَرِضْوَانٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ أَكْبَرُ ذَلِكَ هُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ

The explanation:
(God has [in the Quran] promised to the believers, [both] men and women,

gardens [in the afterlife] – below [the trees of ] which rivers flow, to dwelltherein forever –
and good dwellings in the seven gardens;
and God's goodpleasure will be [to them] greater [than the gardens];

that [prosperity andgood pleasure] is [certainly] the great success [in the afterlife.]

lone wolf

#30

Re: The palaces in the sky

Jul 22nd, 2011

There are believers ... then there are gullible. I'm not sure this has a category.

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