Until the Left respect democracy, they'll just keep losing elections

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Western democracy has always been founded upon the principle of something called 'losers' consent'.

In simple terms, it means that defeated parties accept the result of a legitimate election, until they have the chance to reverse it at the ballot box.

Unfortunately, in recent years the idea that the will of the people is sacrosanct has gone out of the window — on both sides of the Atlantic...

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Until the Left respect democracy, they'll just keep losing elections


By Richard Littlejohn for the Daily Mail
18 January 2020

Western democracy has always been founded upon the principle of something called 'losers' consent'.

In simple terms, it means that defeated parties accept the result of a legitimate election, until they have the chance to reverse it at the ballot box.

Unfortunately, in recent years the idea that the will of the people is sacrosanct has gone out of the window — on both sides of the Atlantic.

In Britain, we have just been through one of the most divisive and destructive periods in our political history as embittered Remainers tried to Stop Brexit.

The vast majority of the so-called 'liberal elite' repeatedly refused to implement the result of the EU referendum, despite promising solemnly to honour it.


O.J. Corbyn is still hanging around like a bad smell, mouthing his usual deranged platitudes, says Richard Littlejohn

They spent three and a half years using every trick in the book — parliamentary, extra-parliamentary and judicial — to frustrate the democratically expressed decision of the British people.

It was the ultimate manifestation of the odious Peter Mandelson's hubristic boast, during the New Labour ascendancy, that 'the era of pure, representative democracy is coming to an end'.

They were the masters now.

Happily, that isn't how it worked out. When the people did finally get the chance to reassert their sovereignty in the December general election, they did so in spectacular fashion. We all know how well that turned out for the Remainer ultras.

Labour, which cynically betrayed its traditional supporters in the North and Midlands, paid the heaviest price, yet appears to have learned nothing.

O.J. Corbyn is still hanging around like a bad smell, mouthing his usual deranged platitudes. On the day Union Flags were being burned in Tehran by demonstrators chanting 'Death To Britain', he was at a rally in Trafalgar Square expressing solidarity with the theocratic dictatorship in Iran.

Meanwhile, the contest to elect his successor is cranking laboriously into gear, featuring a deeply unimpressive collection of third-rate candidates.

A nation yawns.

The front-runners are 'Sir' Keir Starmer, the Max Headroom lookalike who fashioned his party's disastrous, deceitful No Brexit policy, and Labour's answer to Mrs Merton, Rebecca Long-Bailey.


When the people did finally get the chance to reassert their sovereignty in the December general election, they did so in spectacular fashion, says Richard Littlejohn, in reference to Boris Johnson's dominant election win


Asked to mark Corbyn's performance in the election, which delivered Labour's worst result since 1935, Mrs Merton gave him ten out of ten.

Here we go Looby Loo!

Starmer, as Director of Public Prosecutions, is the man who launched the vindictive, politically motivated witch-hunt against Sun newspaper journalists — which cost £30 million and resulted in zero convictions.

He also fashioned the 'always believe the victim' policy which emboldened Nonce Finder General Tom Watson and Scotland Yard to destroy the lives and reputations of blameless men falsely accused of 'historic' sex crimes.

Bringing up the rear are Lady Nugee, aka Emily Thornberry, last seen sneering at a white van man for flying the Cross of St George, and pretend prole Jess Phillips, a shameless self-publicist who enlivened the last Parliament by screaming like a fishwife at Boris Johnson.

One thing they all have in common is a tendency to exaggerate their alleged working-class backgrounds. They all seem to be as creative about their past lives as Fettes-educated Tony Blair.

Neither Nugee nor Starmer use their titles. If Starmer doesn't believe in political honours, why did he accept a knighthood in the first place?


"Democrats" have been trying to impeach Trump since before he was even inaugurated

He claims to be the son of a toolmaker. I covered a number of strikes by toolmakers in the Seventies, but don't remember Starmer Senior on the picket lines alongside Red Robbo at Longbridge.

That's probably because he owned his own successful manufacturing company in Surrey.

Phillips puts on the 'barefoot and pregnant' routine, but comes from a professional family. We're told her husband is an 'ex-lift engineer', but more recently he's worked in politics for his wife.

Similarly, Mrs Merton plays up her previous jobs in a pawn shop and a furniture factory, which is intended to disguise the fact that she's a lawyer who studied politics at university.

Needless to say, she's the official candidate of hard-Left Momentum, which is run by a bunch of wealthy ex-public school boys.

The field is completed by someone called Lisa Nandy, who most people thought was a popular chicken restaurant. Cheeky Nandy has received a thumbs up from two-time loser Neil Kinnock, who once campaigned to get Britain out of the EU and then spent the rest of his career with his snout in the Brussels trough.

Cheeky is said to be a Brexit realist, although she has ruled out doing a trade deal with Donald Trump because she doesn't like his climate change scepticism. Which brings us seamlessly to Washington, where the Democrats seem not to have been paying attention to the fate of their 'liberal' counterparts in Britain.

They are pressing ahead with a doomed impeachment process against Trump, on the basis of scant evidence — most of which would be inadmissable in a court of law.

Their solemn procession through the Capitol building on Wednesday was like a funeral cortege minus a corpse. It reminded me of John Bercow's ostentatious parades through the Palace of Westminster, pursued by flunkies.

The parallels with the shenanigans over Brexit are obvious. The "Democrats" have never accepted the result of the 2016 Presidential election and, like our own dear Remainers, have exhausted every avenue, legitimate or otherwise, in their frenzied attempts to overturn it.

"Democrats" have been trying to impeach Trump since before he was even inaugurated. Like Bercow and the Stop Brexit ultras they have paralysed Parliament in the demented pursuit of their prey.

But nothing they have thrown at him so far has stuck. This stunt won't stick either. Trump is the Teflon Don.

Meanwhile the real scandal is being swept under the carpet. When Joe Biden was the Obama administration's point man in Ukraine, his son, Hunter Biden, was paid $83,000 a month to act as a consultant to a Ukrainian energy company — despite having zero experience of the energy industry.

It's also claimed that Biden threatened to withhold U.S. aid unless Ukraine sacked the prosecutor investigating his son's links to the company.

Trump's 'crime' is said to be pressuring the Ukrainians to get to the bottom of this lucrative arrangement. Even if that's true, surely he was only doing his job.

Aren't the American people entitled to ask questions about why Biden's son was put on the payroll of a foreign company, despite being unqualified?

Meanwhile, like Labour, the Dems are trying to pick their next leader from an equally unimpressive field, led by Biden — who Trump calls Sleepy Joe — Barmy Bernie Sanders, a socialist Corbyn clone, and Elizabeth Warren.

Trump's best gag is saddling Warren with the nickname 'Pocahontas', on the grounds that — despite being as white as a loaf of Mother's Pride wrapped-and-sliced — on her application to Harvard she claimed to be a Red Indian, at a time when the university was seeking to hire more minorities.

The President eventually shamed her into taking a blood test which showed she was just one in 1,024th Native American.

For now, there are so many weirdos throwing their rings into the hat that the line-up at this week's Democratic debate looked like the cast of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

They are all suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, the Siamese twin of Brexit Derangement Syndrome.

Outside the navel-gazing Washington bubble, the impeachment process is gaining little traction.

All it will achieve is shoring up Trump's base and repelling voters — just as the Stop Brexit pantomime propelled Boris back into Number 10 with a massive majority.

In a democracy, the proper place to remove a President is at the ballot box, not in a bogus impeachment hearing. Americans will get the chance to pass their verdict on Trump in November.

The "Democrats" should take heed of what happened to the 'liberal elite' in Britain last month. Which bit of democracy don't they understand?

Until they accept the principle of 'losers' consent' they will go on being losers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-democracy-theyll-just-losing-elections.html
 

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"Until they accept the principle of 'losers' consent' they will go on being losers."


BoJo won the election.


Fair and square.


Donald Trump's win is questionable depending on how you want to look at the EC part of the election vs the popular vote (but then the popvote will always be a contest to the EC when the two aren't the same).


That said, the rest of the opinion piece about the impeachment is just typical ignorance about the situation. Not that anyone should expect otherwise from a source from you Blackie, since you're one of the Trumpiest Trumpers outside the US.

I do agree that the Americans likely will have to wait until November to see if Trump is gone, but hopefully the trial going on now and what's coming out as proofs of what he's done will show having him in the office of President for a second go is pure, abject insanity.

At least BoJo isn't as fukin wackadoodle as Trump, and that's saying something.
 

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Donald Trump's win is questionable

No, it bloody isn't. He won it fair and square, you embarrassing goit.

I do agree that the Americans likely will have to wait until November to see if Trump is gone, but hopefully the trial going on now and what's coming out as proofs of what he's done will show having him in the office of President for a second go is pure, abject insanity.

At least BoJo isn't as fukin wackadoodle as Trump, and that's saying something.

Mr Trump isn't going anywhere soon. This impeachment trial has just made it even more likely he'll win the next election.

The "Democrats" have just shot themselves in the foot. And it's funny. They're about as unelectable as the Labour Party, because they are Lefties.
 

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"Until they accept the principle of 'losers' consent' they will go on being losers."


BoJo won the election.


Fair and square.


Donald Trump's win is questionable depending on how you want to look at the EC part of the election vs the popular vote (but then the popvote will always be a contest to the EC when the two aren't the same).


That said, the rest of the opinion piece about the impeachment is just typical ignorance about the situation. Not that anyone should expect otherwise from a source from you Blackie, since you're one of the Trumpiest Trumpers outside the US.

I do agree that the Americans likely will have to wait until November to see if Trump is gone, but hopefully the trial going on now and what's coming out as proofs of what he's done will show having him in the office of President for a second go is pure, abject insanity.

At least BoJo isn't as fukin wackadoodle as Trump, and that's saying something.
Prepare yourself for that insanity , because you obviously missed the point .
 

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No, it bloody isn't. He won it fair and square, you embarrassing goit.


Read what I wrote. If you go by the Electoral College, yes he won. Popular vote wise, he did not. So no, that's not 'fair and square'.



Mr Trump isn't going anywhere soon.


Likely not, the Senate doesn't have the balls to kick his ass out like they should.


This impeachment trial has just made it even more likely he'll win the next election.


Unless there's so much doubt out there that the voters turn on him... and by Trumps own actions he's doing a FINE job of turning people on his own.

The "Democrats" have just shot themselves in the foot. And it's funny.[/quote]


Really? Howso, oh so knowledgeable one since you know everything (hey, just like Trump!)


They're about as unelectable as the Labour Party, because they are Lefties.


LOLOLOL!!!!


Democrats are American Left. Labour Party isn't anywhere near Democrat Left, just like our Liberals aren't anywhere near Democrat Left.


I love your political ignorances, they're amusing when on display.
 

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Read what I wrote. If you go by the Electoral College, yes he won. Popular vote wise, he did not. So no, that's not 'fair and square'.

He won it fair and square. To most people, it looks as though he won it according to the electoral system that the United States has had for over 200 years.

If you'd like to tell us how he won it unlawfully, in a way that goes against the traditional US electoral system, I'd be rather impressed if you can tell me how because, right now, I think you're talking a load of old cowshit.

Really? Howso, oh so knowledgeable one since you know everything (hey, just like Trump!)

I've already explained why. This doomed impeachment process will just help Trump win the next election. And it's funny.

Democrats are American Left. Labour Party isn't anywhere near Democrat Left, just like our Liberals aren't anywhere near Democrat Left.
I love your political ignorances, they're amusing when on display.

The "Democrats" and Labour are both left-wing parties full of vile lefties who haven't got a hope in Hell of being elected anytime soon, because most people don't like them, because they're lefties .
 

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He won it fair and square. To most people, it looks as though he won it according to the electoral system that the United States has had for over 200 years.

If you'd like to tell us how he won it unlawfully, in a way that goes against the traditional US electoral system, I'd be rather impressed if you can tell me how because, right now, I think you're talking a load of old cowshit.


Blackie, if you wear glasses, put em on, you need them evidently, and if you don't have them, get a pair.


Your reading comprehension is worse today than normal.


I've already explained why. This doomed impeachment process will just help Trump win the next election. And it's funny.


No you didn't. And if there is any Good or Gods in the world/Universe/Multiverse, Trump won't win again. If he does... well then the US deserves the hell it's gonna get.



The "Democrats" and Labour are both left-wing parties full of vile lefties who haven't got a hope in Hell of being elected anytime soon, because most people don't like them, because they're lefties .


Again, your sense/knowledge of politics is pretty gross, your ignorance is amusing and your lack of reading comprehension today is just outstanding.
 

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So, I won that argument, then.

Not difficult to do, though, I must admit, when I do nothing but TALK SENSE.
 

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So, I won that argument, then.

Not difficult to do, though, I must admit, when I do nothing but TALK SENSE.


Actually you didn't win a thing.


But of course you think you did, because like Trump, only your opinion and voice matters.



You're a narcissist like that. :)
 

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Read what I wrote. If you go by the Electoral College, yes he won. Popular vote wise, he did not. So no, that's not 'fair and square'.






Likely not, the Senate doesn't have the balls to kick his ass out like they should.





Unless there's so much doubt out there that the voters turn on him... and by Trumps own actions he's doing a FINE job of turning people on his own.

The "Democrats" have just shot themselves in the foot. And it's funny.


Really? Howso, oh so knowledgeable one since you know everything (hey, just like Trump!)





LOLOLOL!!!!


Democrats are American Left. Labour Party isn't anywhere near Democrat Left, just like our Liberals aren't anywhere near Democrat Left.


I love your political ignorances, they're amusing when on display.[/QUOTE]
Two of the main contenders for the Democrat nomination are proposing the forgiveness of student loans , and free medical and college for all , including illegal immigrants. Further right then Canadian Liberals , my eye .
 

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Read what I wrote. If you go by the Electoral College, yes he won. Popular vote wise, he did not. So no, that's not 'fair and square'.






Likely not, the Senate doesn't have the balls to kick his ass out like they should.





Unless there's so much doubt out there that the voters turn on him... and by Trumps own actions he's doing a FINE job of turning people on his own.

The "Democrats" have just shot themselves in the foot. And it's funny.


Really? Howso, oh so knowledgeable one since you know everything (hey, just like Trump!)





LOLOLOL!!!!


Democrats are American Left. Labour Party isn't anywhere near Democrat Left, just like our Liberals aren't anywhere near Democrat Left.


I love your political ignorances, they're amusing when on display.[/QUOTE]




I suspect you don't like the idea of the Electoral College (Canada needs one too) but do you understand why the Founders put the electoral college into place?
 

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I suspect you don't like the idea of the Electoral College (Canada needs one too) but do you understand why the Founders put the electoral college into place?


I find there is issues with the EC, yes. And Yes, I know why it's there. The problem is the ideas and ideals that once made the EC the check and balance for voting doesn't exist anymore. Like a lot of things, votes in the EC can be bought. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but it is now.



Essentially I see the EC like this - the EC votes for the most popular candidate which means in the end there are times when the person who should have won, doesn't.


A real election by voting should be one person, one vote.


And fuk no Canada doesn't need an EC. If anything, I'd prefer a little bit of the US style to things, as in when you vote, you vote for person not party, and the party leader does NOT equal the PM. PM should be a separate vote all together.

But that's not our system, unless and until someone changes it (fuk you very much Trudeau).
 

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I find there is issues with the EC, yes.

You've only had issues with it since Trump was elected.

Typical leftie: if democracy doesn't go your way you suddenly start complaining that the electoral system is no longer fit for purpose and needs changing.
 
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I find there is issues with the EC, yes. And Yes, I know why it's there. The problem is the ideas and ideals that once made the EC the check and balance for voting doesn't exist anymore. Like a lot of things, votes in the EC can be bought. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but it is now.



Essentially I see the EC like this - the EC votes for the most popular candidate which means in the end there are times when the person who should have won, doesn't.


A real election by voting should be one person, one vote.


And fuk no Canada doesn't need an EC. If anything, I'd prefer a little bit of the US style to things, as in when you vote, you vote for person not party, and the party leader does NOT equal the PM. PM should be a separate vote all together.

But that's not our system, unless and until someone changes it (fuk you very much Trudeau).
America is a collection of States , making a country , not a country carved into States . The individualStates elect their President . It was designed that way as a Republic not a Democracy .
 

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You've only had issues with it since Trump was elected.

Typical leftie: if democracy doesn't go your way you suddenly start complaining that the electoral system is no longer fit for purpose and needs changing.


Have I?


This is news to me?

Could'a swore I had issues with it before Trump...


Don't assume Blackie, you know what it makes you.

If Democracy "went my way", Trump would'a lost and Clinton would have won since she got the popular vote. She got 3 MILLION more votes than Trump, thus, she won.

The EC, however, can be swayed to vote in other ways than the public obviously wants.


It's happened and it'll happen again.


And before you throw out that I'm some sort of Clinton supporter, I'm not and never have been and never will. Don't like the woman.
 

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Have I?
This is news to me?
Could'a swore I had issues with it before Trump...
Don't assume Blackie, you know what it makes you.
If Democracy "went my way", Trump would'a lost and Clinton would have won since she got the popular vote. She got 3 MILLION more votes than Trump, thus, she won.
The EC, however, can be swayed to vote in other ways than the public obviously wants.
It's happened and it'll happen again.
And before you throw out that I'm some sort of Clinton supporter, I'm not and never have been and never will. Don't like the woman.

Democracy didn't go your way, though. But it's still democracy.

Mr Trump won fair and square. He won according to the rules.

Let's face it, you only want America's electoral system changed for no other reason than someone you don't like was democratically elected using that system.