People’s Vote campaigners know they’re championing a lost cause

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Although they may not admit it when pressed on Sky News or the BBC, those proposing a People’s Vote are not oblivious to the risks attached. The likes of Umunna, Soubry et al. know that the idea that the elite failed to implement the verdict of 2016 would play into the hands of populist leavers. If they thought ‘Take Back Control’ was fatal in 2016, then ‘Tell Them Again’ would be seismic...

People’s Vote campaigners know they’re championing a lost cause


Written by Chris Bradford
Chris Bradford is a student at the University of Liverpool.
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With just over forty days until the UK is due to leave the EU, the likes of Lord Adonis, Dominic Grieve, David Lammy, Chuka Umunna and Anna Soubry, to name but a few, continue to pound the “People’s Vote” drum.

The Prime Minister’s Brexit negotiating strategy may have been branded as reckless, but second referendum supporters are surely being equally as reckless by continuing not to press their case so close to Brexit day. If they’re so confident of securing a People’s Vote, then they should put the amendment forward.

Although they may not admit it when pressed on Sky News or the BBC, those proposing a People’s Vote are not oblivious to the risks attached. The likes of Umunna, Soubry et al. know that the idea that the elite failed to implement the verdict of 2016 would play into the hands of populist leavers. If they thought ‘Take Back Control’ was fatal in 2016, then ‘Tell Them Again’ would be seismic.

And politicians can barely expect to look at the turnout statistics as a means of trying to reduce the legitimacy of the vote in 2016: the Brexit referendum produced a turnout not seen in a national election contest since 1992.

It may not be apparent to those in the claustrophobic Westminster bubble, but folk up and down the country are sick to their back teeth of hearing about Brexit. To many voters, it feels as if politicians have gone around in circles for the past two-and-a-half years. The electorate wants to change the conversation towards topical issues such as poverty, the NHS and education.

Since September 2014, there has been a Scottish independence referendum, devolved legislature elections, local council elections, two general elections and, of course, the EU referendum. What would be the result of forcing another referendum on an already weary electorate? There would be no guarantee that the turnout would be the same or greater than in 2016. Unlike our Australian counterparts, the UK does not use compulsory voting, so people are perfectly entitled to stay away from the polling booth if they choose to do so. What would happen if the turnout were less than fifty per cent and a Remain victory?

Currently, the parliamentary arithmetic opposes the idea of a “People’s Vote”. Jeremy Corbyn, especially, appears extremely sceptical about the idea. Labour members seem to have failed to appreciate he is a lifelong eurosceptic – voting against EEC membership in 1975, siding with Tory rebels in the Maastricht debates and voting against Lisbon. Corbyn was in Ireland during the second Lisbon Treaty referendum campaign in 2009 and infamously described the Brussels project as a military Frankenstein.

Labour Party Conference kept the idea of a public vote on the table, as a last resort; however, this is a mere smokescreen. Unbeknownst to pro-EU party members, the idea of a public vote is still on the table, but the motion has been ripped up. Furthermore, in order to win an election, Corbyn knows he would have to gain marginal Tory seats which also voted Leave.

Amendments to government motions can be put forward by backbench MPs but the reality is that they are not legally binding. Convention suggests that if an amendment secures a majority, then it puts pressure on the Government to act; however, we live in such unprecedented times that nothing can be taken for granted. This was seen with regard to the series of amendments put forward on 29th January. MPs voted 318-310, a majority of eight, to reject the UK leaving without a deal; however, this amendment was meaningless since it does not change the default position should the UK and EU fail to reach an agreement. Furthermore, MPs rejected an extension of Article 50 (the Cooper Amendment) beyond the end of March. So, to quote Mrs. May: nothing has changed.

It is only the Government which can propose legislation and the Prime Minister opposes a second referendum. She has explained that a second referendum would undermine ‘social cohesion’. And a shift to a second referendum does not appear to be materialising as Brexit Secretary, Steve Barclay has reconfirmed that the UK will be leaving on 29th March, with or without an agreement.

In essence, People’s Vote campaigners know they are championing a lost cause. Despite continuing to defend the idea, they are extremely aware of the risks and know that a second vote might not even provide a different result to the vote in 2016.

Most importantly, as long as the Government continues to sit on its hands and stubbornly resist the idea of a public vote, then the dream of overturning the result of 2016 is up in flames.

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DAN HODGES: Why Continuity Remainers (and their nude star) are all mouth and no trousers

By Dan Hodges For The Mail On Sunday
17 February 2019

What is the point of the Remainers? Or rather, the Continuity Remainers, that small but dogged group of anti-Brexiteers who steadfastly refuse to make their peace with the 2016 referendum result. What are they trying to achieve? How are they planning to achieve it? Do they actually have a plan at all?

This was supposed to be their moment. The Government is in disarray, unable to secure parliamentary support for a half-baked Brexit compromise, never mind Theresa May’s original Chequers proposal. The House of Commons has reportedly seized control of the withdrawal process. We are just a month away from crashing out of the EU with No Deal.

Yet they appear mummified. Every day the same lifeless talking heads shuffle into the nation’s TV studios, mumble their ‘we need a people’s vote’ mantra and depart.

A few weeks ago I was speaking to one of the leaders of the campaign for a second referendum. He was upbeat. We were, he said, about to reach the ‘crossover point’, the moment where the bookies’ odds on a new vote moved to better than 50/50. The People’s Vote would go from being an impossible dream to a probable outcome.


Pro-EU campaigner Victoria Bateman after she stripped last week while being interviewed on Radio 4’s Today programme by John Humphrys


At the time of writing, the odds on a second referendum are five to one against, and continuing to drift. In Thursday’s Brexit debate, motions calling for a second referendum enjoyed so little parliamentary support that they weren’t even selected for a vote. The opinion polls show it’s the prospect of No Deal, not a People’s Vote, that is gaining traction.

But the Continuity Remainers seemingly have no strategy for reversing their fortunes – save for one of unremitting self-degradation. Attempts by the second referendum campaigners to co-opt Jeremy Corbyn to their cause have now moved beyond desperation to outright humiliation.

Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer has successfully moulded himself into the Continuity Remain’s great white hope. But the continued effort to convince them – and I suspect himself – that all that is required is a little more time before his leader sees the glorious light of a People’s Vote has become farcical.

So farcical, in fact, that Corbyn and his team no longer feel the need to keep up anything other than the most superficial appearances.

Confronted by Starmer over the omission of a second referendum from his letter to Theresa May – an option he had been reassured would be in the text – their response was succinct. ‘We just forgot,’ they said. This is how much significance Corbyn really attaches to last year’s Labour Conference motion backing a new referendum.

Given the Labour leader showed zero interest in supporting Remain during the first referendum, he was hardly going to join calls for a new attempt. Especially after 17 million people, many of them Labour supporters, had voted the other way.

What second referendum campaigners fail to recognise is that, while Corbyn is indeed a neo-Marxist, anti-European ideologue, there is also a simple political calculation behind his positioning. Call it the ‘All Mouth And No Trousers’ hypothesis. Corbyn believes the Continuity Remainers are bluffing. That for all the sound and fury, when push comes to shove they will have nowhere else to go.


What second referendum campaigners fail to recognise is that, while Corbyn is indeed a neo-Marxist, anti-European ideologue, there is also a simple political calculation behind his positioning

He can ignore their demands and they will cry and scream and send an angry tweet or two. But then they will fall meekly into line. Actually, it’s the ‘All Mouth And Keir Starmer’s Trousers’ hypothesis.

The validity of this rationale can be seen every day in the way the Brexit debate is playing out in the Commons. We have seen MPs of all sides coming together to map out differing strategies – the Cooper/Boles amendment to extend Article 50. The Malthouse and Brady Compromises that actually secured a parliamentary majority a couple of weeks ago. The Spellman/Dromey amendment that also won a majority for ruling out No Deal.

But the second referendum campaigners are nowhere to be seen. Those demanding a People’s Vote haven’t even managed to organise an MPs’ vote. Or even get as far as successfully tabling an amendment calling for one.

And for all the grandiloquent talk of letting Parliament ‘have its say’, they aren’t even close to winning over a majority of their own colleagues, never mind a majority of the nation’s 46 million voters.

‘We’re biding our time, waiting for the right moment,’ one Remainer told me last week. ‘Biding its time/Waiting for its moment’ will be the inscription on the second referendum campaign’s gravestone.

Even some of Continuity Remainers’ staunchest allies are now acknowledging the truth. ‘Today there is no political force and no effective leadership for Remain,’ European Council President Donald Tusk bluntly told reporters. And he’s right. Simply look at the media attention lavished on pro-EU campaigner Victoria Bateman after she stripped last week while being interviewed on Radio 4’s Today programme by John Humphrys.

That the naked academic has become the face, sternum and derriere of the anti-Brexit campaign tells you everything you need to know. With the future of the nation in the balance, the second referendum campaigners are literally making an exhibition of themselves.

To what end? Last week we saw Dominic Grieve, David Lammy, Anna Soubry and Ben Bradshaw castigate Mrs May for ‘running down the clock’ to force her model of Brexit over the line. But they are doing exactly the same thing.

Devoid of a strategy, momentum or public support, the second referendum campaigners are playing an identical – and equally reckless – game. They are blocking any deal, while watching the hands of the Brexit doomsday clock tick inexorably towards midnight in the desperate hope that something, anything, might turn up.

What do they think that will be? Mrs May will throw up her hands and say: ‘Enough! You win! Let’s have that People’s Vote!’ A swathe of Conservative and Northern Labour MPs will exclaim: ‘Screw my voters. A second referendum, and be damned.’ A nude academic will win over voters with the compelling intellectual argument that ‘Brexit leaves Britain naked’.

The jagged edge of the Brexit abyss is now in sight. The Continuity Remainers have to decide what they are trying to achieve. And they must reach their decision before the clock strikes midnight.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ty-Remainers-nude-star-mouth-no-trousers.html
 
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A man who starved 4 million to death in India, facilitated Zionism & Wahhabism in the Middle East, ordered a massacre of anti-Nazi protesters in Greece, conceived the Black & Tans to terrorise Ireland and sought to keep Kenya's fertile land for white settlers was voted greatest Briton of all time.
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A man who starved 4 million to death in India, facilitated Zionism & Wahhabism in the Middle East, ordered a massacre of anti-Nazi protesters in Greece, conceived the Black & Tans to terrorise Ireland and sought to keep Kenya's fertile land for white settlers was voted greatest Briton of all time.
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It was the Japanese, not Churchill.
 

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I, for one, will be glad when the sodding mess is over with, regardless of how it goes, just so it stops being a thing (which it won't because no matter what happens people are gonna bitch, moan and cry over it)
 

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I, for one, will be glad when the sodding mess is over with, regardless of how it goes, just so it stops being a thing (which it won't because no matter what happens people are gonna bitch, moan and cry over it)

The people to blame for it being a mess are the Remainers.
 

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I don't see the point in repeating the last referendum. The next referendum should be one between two Brexit options.

What referendum? The UK leaves the EU on 29th March. The anti-democrat Remoaners better get their skates on if they want a second referendum.
 

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The people to blame for it being a mess are the Remainers.


Sorry Blackie, but both sides skrewed the pooch on this. The original vote wasn't explained out 'properly' for people to really get what they were voting for, the leading party after the vote didn't do enough to secure a clear timeline for Brexit and whoever comes after is left holding the bag of shyte.

In the end, all people - Remainers and Exiters - are f'ed.
 

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Sorry Blackie, but both sides skrewed the pooch on this. The original vote wasn't explained out 'properly' for people to really get what they were voting for, the leading party after the vote didn't do enough to secure a clear timeline for Brexit and whoever comes after is left holding the bag of shyte.

In the end, all people - Remainers and Exiters - are f'ed.
The EU is bound for failure , it is not a matter of if it is a matter of when . Great Britain leaving the EU may have short term pain but will be better off then those left holding the bag .
 

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Sorry Blackie, but both sides skrewed the pooch on this. The original vote wasn't explained out 'properly' for people to really get what they were voting for, the leading party after the vote didn't do enough to secure a clear timeline for Brexit and whoever comes after is left holding the bag of shyte.
In the end, all people - Remainers and Exiters - are f'ed.

Ahhh. The same old tired Remoan cliche - "The people didn't really know what they were voting for." Complete nonsense, of course.

As for any mess that Brexit might now be in - that is a result solely of the Remainers. They have caused a mess.

And to say all people are ****ed is ludicrous. Brexit is the greatest thing to have happened to Britain since 1945. Or it would be if actual true proper Brexit is democratically carried out.
 

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What referendum? The UK leaves the EU on 29th March. The anti-democrat Remoaners better get their skates on if they want a second referendum.

You stil havent' figured out what kind of Brexit you're going to have though. After Brexit, you'll have chaos until you figure out more clearly what direction you want to take. It's a little like being anti-communist. conservatives, liberals, and fascists are all anti-communist, but good luck getting them to agree on anything else. Brexit is the same. It means leaving the EU, but you still haven't figured out what will replace it other than chaos.
 

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Ahhh. The same old tired Remoan cliche - "The people didn't really know what they were voting for." Complete nonsense, of course.
As for any mess that Brexit might now be in - that is a result solely of the Remainers. They have caused a mess.
And to say all people are ****ed is ludicrous. Brexit is the greatest thing to have happened to Britain since 1945. Or it would be if actual true proper Brexit is democratically carried out.

So why didn't the Brexiteers plan for this eventuality? Didn't see it coming?
 

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Ahhh. The same old tired Remoan cliche - "The people didn't really know what they were voting for." Complete nonsense, of course.

As for any mess that Brexit might now be in - that is a result solely of the Remainers. They have caused a mess.

And to say all people are ****ed is ludicrous. Brexit is the greatest thing to have happened to Britain since 1945. Or it would be if actual true proper Brexit is democratically carried out.


When you have actual people who, after the vote, say on camera "I did not understand..." then yes, there were people who did NOT know really what they were voting for. So no, not complete nonsense.

Remainers caused a mess, but so did Brexiters. By NOT making their intentions clear, by NOT helping the government to come up with a reasonable exit (instead of hardazzing it then going sulky kid when things didn't go their way) and just in general being little whiny bytches, they helped to cause the mess. Remainers, as I said, also caused the mess, by not accepting what was done despite the vote, by not working with the Exiters to get a fair deal and just in general being little whiny bytches about the result.

The people ARE phucked, no matter WHAT happens on the 29th. That you are so rose colored glasses about it you might as well change eye color is your ignorance and peril, but thankfully others realize that the British people are in trouble once that date comes in. It won't be 45 all over again, it'll be a shyteshow like none have ever seen.

There IS no true, proper Brexit right now, ready to be democratically carried out, and that is your problem.

Tip - change your eye color; rose is not a good look for anyone.
 

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When you have actual people who, after the vote, say on camera "I did not understand..."

Like who?

Remainers caused a mess, but so did Brexiters.

Brexiteers didn't cause this mess. It's all of the Remainers' making. And most of it is deliberate. The Remainer establishment is setting about deliberately trying to destroy Brexit. And now the Remainers coming out saying they want a second referendum in an attempt to clean up the mess that they created,

The people ARE phucked, no matter WHAT happens on the 29th.

Now don't be silly. Nobody - apart from all those Remainers who have personal, career and financial reasons for wanting us to stay in the EU - is going to be ****ed just because we are leaving a corrupt, money-grabbingm economy-strangling, anti-democratic superstate.

There IS no true, proper Brexit right now

There is. A no-deal Brexit. The PROPER, REAL Brexit that the people voted for.