exclusion of unvaccinated kids from school


Hoid
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#1
https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-st...-state-1327577

New York state is trying to deal with the growing measles outbreak by excluding all kids who are not vaccinated from daycares and schools that may be experiencing an outbreak.

The anti vac movement is a public health issue, and these kids who are being endangered by the beliefs of their parents, while pitiable, should not be allowed to take part in any group activity.

Someone will have to step in a some point and take these kids and have them immunized.
 
taxslave
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#2
When I was a kid we all had measles. Much of this vaccination stuff is a big scam to sell drugs. Notice how measles never goes away? Just maintain the populace and reap the financial rewards.
 
Hoid
+1
#3
I notice how the outbreaks are always among the unvaccinated, and the costs of the outbreaks are always paid by the taxpayer.
 
Danbones
#4
You notice wrong Miz fakenews.

as usual.

Outbreaks in Vaccinated Populations
All links on this page provide information on outbreaks of infectious disease in highly vaccinated populations:
https://www.wisconsinforvaccinechoic...d-populations/

But everything you have written on this forum seems to be untrue. Not to mention your talking point OPINIONS on things like scientific subjects, which appear to be all totally over your little head.

Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

CDC>MMWR
Measles Outbreak in a Highly Vaccinated Population — Israel, July–August 2017
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6742a4.htm

Measles Outbreak Among Previously Immunized Healthcare Workers, the Netherlands, 2014
The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 214, Issue 12, 15 December 2016
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article...2/1980/2631197

Hmmm...the top of the line in medical, especially immune matters, peer reviewed publishing, verses the opinion of someone who is deliberately never right, and LOL, literally never "right" as well.

Vaccines are fakenews in the immune system.

Avoid Hoid.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 12th, 2019 at 07:12 PM..
 
Hoid
+1
#5
I cannot offhand think of a more convincing argument against something than having you be for it.
 
Hoid
#6
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ngering-blamed

70 dead in Philippines in latest measles outbreak

anti vac mania being blamed
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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#7
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

When I was a kid we all had measles. Much of this vaccination stuff is a big scam to sell drugs. Notice how measles never goes away? Just maintain the populace and reap the financial rewards.


When I was a kid we had German Measles. Regular Measles I never got since I was vaccinated against it. German Measles were a less serious strain. I think now there is even a vaccination against German Measles. Same with Mumps. The only reason aside from a few isolated cases due to flukes in the human immune system for anybody to get one of these diseases is due to parental stupidity.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I notice how the outbreaks are always among the unvaccinated, and the costs of the outbreaks are always paid by the taxpayer.

I notice the taxpayers is always on the hook for useless vaccinations.
 
DaSleeper
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#9  Top Rated Post
I don't want to wish "Shingles" on anyone but if you got chickenpox as a kid your odds of getting it are pretty good.
My wife got a small 1 inch sample of it that kept her awake all night and the next morning some prescribed ointment had it under control.
Several months later as soon as she was able to, she got the vaccine
I pity the poor soul who gets it all over his back or his scalp.
 
Mowich
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#10
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

I don't want to wish "Shingles" on anyone but if you got chickenpox as a kid your odds of getting it are pretty good.
My wife got a small 1 inch sample of it that kept her awake all night and the next morning some prescribed ointment had it under control.
Several months later as soon as she was able to, she got the vaccine
I pity the poor soul who gets it all over his back or his scalp.


As a rule, I don't subscribe to the idea of getting medication for something that 'might' happen. However, after watching what a good friend of mine went through during her bout with shingles, I am seriously thinking about getting the vaccine. As for kids getting vaccinated, that is a no-brainer and any parent who refuses to do so should be charged with child endangerment.
 
Hoid
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I notice the taxpayers is always on the hook for useless vaccinations.

What are the numbers?

$200 for a vaccine.

$10,000 for care.
 
DaSleeper
#12
In ontario there is an age range that you get it for free....
 
Danbones
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#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What are the numbers?
$200 for a vaccine.
$10,000 for care.

LOL from the guy who has no facts at all.

Must have been vaccinated against real news...

that worked at least.
 
Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

In ontario there is an age range that you get it for free....

Nothing free is worth anything.

How the hell do you get someone to pay for something that's proven 10% effective?

You'd have to be pretty hoidie to do that.

This year's flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-ye...-experts-warn/

I mean you'd have to be absolutely freakin brain dead to pay for that.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Nothing free is worth anything.

How the hell do you get someone to pay for something that's proven 10% effective?

You'd have to be pretty hoidie to do that.

This year's flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-ye...-experts-warn/

I mean you'd have to be absolutely freakin brain dead to pay for that.


Are you seriously comparing the flu vaccine to measles vaccine? The flu vaccine is always less effective because there like 3000 different strains of the flu and they have to decide in May which ones will be going around next winter. It's a crap shoot. But Measles is the Measles. The vaccine works. The only reason people stopped was there was this moron in Britain in the 80s who made a completely bogus claim linking it to autism.
 
B00Mer
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#16
anti-vaxxers are stupid
 
Curious Cdn
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#17
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

anti-vaxxers are stupid

They are certainly that but I don't see what danger un-vaccinated children pose to a classroom full of vaccinated children. Banning them from attending school is not logical, to me ... punitive, yes.
 
DaSleeper
#18
I used to get the flu every year and miss several days of work because of it until 1970 when the doctor suggested the vaccine, in the beginning I think I would have had to pay for it but the company medical plan covered it . Never had the flu since..
One year tho my wife and I both got a norwalk like virus that lasted 24 hrs and had us fighting for the bathroom
 
Curious Cdn
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

I used to get the flu every year and miss several days of work because of it until 1970 when the doctor suggested the vaccine, in the beginning I think I would have had to pay for it but the company medical plan covered it . Never had the flu since..
One year tho my wife and I both got a norwalk like virus that lasted 24 hrs and had us fighting for the bathroom

I have been there and done that back when my wife was working as an RPN in a retirement residence.
 
Danbones
#20
10 % effective there dumb dumbs - paid for with TAX dollars.

but then proper placebo testing has never been done on vaccines like it should be.

The vaccine study you’ll never see
CHAD HAYES, MD | PHYSICIAN | MAY 7, 2017

I think they mean that we haven’t done the best study. Those of us in the scientific and medical fields frequently demand well-designed studies — like double-blinded, randomized, placebo-controlled trials — so why not apply that same requirement to vaccines? Why hasn’t anybody ever done that study?
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/05...never-see.html

Of course, that would be considering the actual science, which like politics, as we have seen, is well over both your heads.

Of course now we know that the corporate studies on certain profit making drugs, after realty sets in, show: things like: statins have zero mortality reduction after BILLIONS scammed, and tamaflu also has zero mortality reduction despite billions scammed, and then there is the perdue opiate scandal..LOL...

Keep with the mercury memerettes, we need a safe empty place to store the stuff...

and your heads look like a great place to put it.

PS
Now we know why you two never seem to win any debates on facts at least.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 18th, 2019 at 09:45 AM..
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Nothing free is worth anything.
How the hell do you get someone to pay for something that's proven 10% effective?

You'd have to be pretty hoidie to do that.
This year's flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-ye...-experts-warn/
I mean you'd have to be absolutely freakin brain dead to pay for it


In 2004-05, the flu vaccine was 10 percent effective.
In 2005-06, the flu vaccine was 21 percent effective.
In 2006-07, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2007-08, the flu vaccine was 37 percent effective.
In 2008-09, the flu vaccine was 41 percent effective.
In 2009-10, the flu vaccine was 56 percent effective.
In 2010-11, the flu vaccine was 60 percent effective.
In 2011-12, the flu vaccine was 47 percent effective.
In 2012-13, the flu vaccine was 49 percent effective.
In 2013-14, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2014-15, the flu vaccine was 19 percent effective.
In 2015-16, the flu vaccine was 48 percent effective.
In 2016-17, the flu vaccine was 39 percent effective.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...ss-studies.htm
 
Curious Cdn
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

In 2004-05, the flu vaccine was 10 percent effective.
In 2005-06, the flu vaccine was 21 percent effective.
In 2006-07, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2007-08, the flu vaccine was 37 percent effective.
In 2008-09, the flu vaccine was 41 percent effective.
In 2009-10, the flu vaccine was 56 percent effective.
In 2010-11, the flu vaccine was 60 percent effective.
In 2011-12, the flu vaccine was 47 percent effective.
In 2012-13, the flu vaccine was 49 percent effective.
In 2013-14, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2014-15, the flu vaccine was 19 percent effective.
In 2015-16, the flu vaccine was 48 percent effective.
In 2016-17, the flu vaccine was 39 percent effective.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...ss-studies.htm

Well, the "flu" is a constantly moving target with dozens of versions about every year.

You're a expert on just about everything.

How would YOU select the right virus to make a vaccine against every time? I know that you know how because you know everything else.

Come. Pray, tell ...
 
Hoid
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

LOL from the guy who has no facts at all.

Must have been vaccinated against real news...

that worked at least.

The cost of measles: Spend $200 on measles vaccine, or $10,000 for care?

https://news.abs-cbn.com/video/spotl...10000-for-care
 
Hoid
#24
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mother-absolut...sles-1.4301774


In Burnaby a one year premmie is quarantined in his home because he may have been exposed to an unvaccinated child in the hospital.

These parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids on whatever bonehead grounds they have are a public health menace.

Small children too young for the vaccine are the ones most at risk.
 
taxslave
#25
May have been exposed? Like saying the ndpee may have balanced the budget.
 
Hoid
#26
No, not really similar in any way.
 
taxslave
#27
I have to concede that one. NDPEE budgets are far more dangerous to society than the odd unvaccinated kid.
 
MHz
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

In 2004-05, the flu vaccine was 10 percent effective.
In 2005-06, the flu vaccine was 21 percent effective.
In 2006-07, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2007-08, the flu vaccine was 37 percent effective.
In 2008-09, the flu vaccine was 41 percent effective.
In 2009-10, the flu vaccine was 56 percent effective.
In 2010-11, the flu vaccine was 60 percent effective.
In 2011-12, the flu vaccine was 47 percent effective.
In 2012-13, the flu vaccine was 49 percent effective.
In 2013-14, the flu vaccine was 52 percent effective.
In 2014-15, the flu vaccine was 19 percent effective.
In 2015-16, the flu vaccine was 48 percent effective.
In 2016-17, the flu vaccine was 39 percent effective.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...ss-studies.htm

Why would trust those stats?? No paper trail to follow.
 
Hoid
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I have to concede that one. NDPEE budgets are far more dangerous to society than the odd unvaccinated kid.

They are on no way comparable.
 
Jinentonix
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They are certainly that but I don't see what danger un-vaccinated children pose to a classroom full of vaccinated children. Banning them from attending school is not logical, to me ... punitive, yes.

UGH! Are you serious? Do you understand how vaccines or viruses work? It's not the danger that an un-vaccinated kid poses to a classroom, it's actually the exact opposite. Being vaccinated against something doesn't mean it can't infect you. It just means you don't suffer from the symptoms. So, an un-vaccinated kid could catch say, the measles, from a vaccinated kid if the vaccinated kid had recently come in contact with someone infected with measles.

It's like chickenpox. Once you get them you don't get them a second time. But let's say your kid gets chickenpox, even if you already had them as a kid, you're still potentially infectious to anyone who hasn't.
 

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