Canada armed drones


Hoid
#1
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arm...nada-1.5007541

News about the Canadian military trying to procure "armed drones" for national defense.

They are having trouble getting any support for this idea.

The trouble is that military procurement is a federal welfare program and any money they spend on the military must help the government of the moment remain in power.

As it has always been.

Unmanned flight has been widely recognized as the future of air operations for at least 20 years now. By this time Canada should be into third and fourth generation development, and be world leaders in this technology.

Unfortunately the only development we do now is for multi national corporations who's product cycle is decades long. We are forced to buy ships and planes that are obsolete before they are delivered because that's how the economy works.
 
Twin_Moose
#2
Military aims for armed drones in six years
Quote:

OTTAWA - The Royal Canadian Air Force is hoping to pull the trigger on the purchase of new armed drones within six years after spending nearly two decades weighing different options.
The Canadian Forces has been working since the early 2000s to identify and buy a fleet of UAVs that can conduct surveillance over Canada's vast territory as well as support military missions abroad.
Yet aside from purchasing a small number of temporary, unarmed drones for the war in Afghanistan — all of which have since been retired — the military has never been able to make much progress on a permanent fleet.
In an interview with The Canadian Press, air force commander Lt.-Gen. Al Meinzinger said he is confident that is about to change after the Trudeau government officially approved the purchase of a fleet of armed UAVs through its defence policy.
That decision was one of the most notable shifts in the new policy, released in June 2017, which included a promise to spend an extra $62 billion over the next 20 years to expand and strengthen the military.
No previous federal government had authorized adding drones — armed or not — as a permanent fixture within the Canadian Forces in the same vein as fighter-jet or helicopter squadrons.
"We say we've got policy top-cover, which means we can see that program clearly in our defence policy," Meinzinger said. "So we're moving that project forward. ... That will be a capability we will see in the next five to six years."
The Royal Canadian Air Force has been quietly evaluating options and will soon present its ideas to procurement officials, he added. The plan is to buy one type of medium-altitude, long-endurance UAV for the military.
Drones have taken on an increasingly important role in militaries around the world; a report in the Royal Canadian Air Force Journal in late 2015 said 76 foreign militaries were using them and another 50 were developing them.
The unmanned aircraft are often used for surveillance and intelligence gathering as well as delivering pinpoint strikes from the air on enemy forces, in places where the use of force has been approved.
Yet the government's decision to acquire armed drones has prompted questions from some arms-control and human-rights groups that have raised concerns about the legal grey zone around such weapons.
While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the government considered the drone decision carefully, critics have noted that there are very few rules around their acquisition and use — including in assassinations.
Meinzinger said drones proved their worth to the Canadian Forces during the war in Afghanistan, where he personally commanded a UAV squadron tasked with monitoring the surrounding countryside.
As for the government's decision to approve armed drones, "certainly the employment of those weapons will be within the bounds of the law of armed conflict and regulated very clearly," he said.
Defence chief Gen. Jonathan Vance has previously said the Canadian military plans to use armed drones in much the same way as other conventional weapons, such as fighter jets and artillery.
While he acknowledged the long road the military has followed in trying to get drones, Meinzinger said: "We have the support of the leadership and the department to continue to move that forward. So I don't see that being a problem at all."

 
petros
+1
#3
Sounds like Canadian Govt to buy "drones" which in nature never fly, make annoying sounds and are lazy and useless.
Last edited by petros; Feb 6th, 2019 at 01:03 PM..
 
Twin_Moose
+2
#4  Top Rated Post
Good news they will be in service before the recently purchased worn out Australian F-18s Lol
 
petros
+1
#5
Hey. At 60 cents an lb for scrap aluminium they weren't a total waste.

I would have been happy if they bought armed small UAVs but buying drones was a typical Liberal waste of money and time.
 
MHz
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Sounds like Canadian Govt to buy "drones" which in nature never fly, make annoying sounds and are lazy and useless.

What else would you expect from an 'elected group' that operates the same way. (until their real owners say something and then fast isn't fast enough.
 
MHz
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Hey. At 60 cents an lb for scrap aluminium they weren't a total waste.

I would have been happy if they bought armed small UAVs but buying drones was a typical Liberal waste of money and time.

You would think a softwood lumber drone kit ( NG turbo-jet bi-plane) would be in high demand as it could be turned into tooth-picks before being captured, let alone costing about $1 CND per kit to mass produce.

Do we not even produce a chain-saw engine??
If NASA can fly an electric car so can we. How many parts are actually produced in Canada for that car as they are laying off 7% if their global company.
 
petros
#8
Drones don't fly so what good are wooden ones?
 
petros
#9
drone aka Liberal
/drōn/Submit
verb
verb: drone; 3rd person present: drones; past tense: droned; past participle: droned; gerund or present participle: droning
1.
make a continuous low humming sound.
"in the far distance a machine droned"
synonyms:hum, buzz, whir, vibrate, murmur, rumble, purr, hiss, whisper, sigh
"we heard a plane droning overhead"
speak tediously in a dull monotonous tone.
"he reached for another beer while Jim droned on"
synonyms:speak boringly, speak monotonously, go on and on, talk interminably; More
intone, pontificate;
informalspout, sound off, jaw, spiel, speechify, preachify
"the president droned on about right and wrong"
move with a continuous humming sound.
"traffic droned up and down the street"
noun
noun: drone; plural noun: drones
1.
a low continuous humming sound.
"he nodded off to the drone of the car engine"
synonyms:hum, buzz, whir, whirring, vibration, murmur, murmuring, purr, purring, hiss, hissing, whisper, whispering, sigh
"the drone of aircraft taking off"
INFORMAL
a monotonous speech.
"only twenty minutes of the hour-long drone had passed"
2.
a continuous musical note of low pitch.
a musical instrument, or part of one, sounding a continuous note, in particular (also drone pipe ) a pipe in a bagpipe or (also drone string ) a string in an instrument such as a hurdy-gurdy or a sitar.
noun: drone pipe; plural noun: drone pipes; noun: drone string; plural noun: drone strings
3.
a male bee in a colony of social bees, which does no work but can fertilize a queen.
a person who does no useful work and lives off others.
synonyms:hanger-on, parasite, leech, passenger; More
idler, loafer, layabout, lounger, good-for-nothing, do-nothing, sluggard, laggard;
informallazybones, scrounger, sponger, cadger, freeloader, bloodsucker, waster, skiver, slacker
"students came to be regarded as drones supported by taxpayers' money"
 
MHz
#10
'armed small UAVs' in your world.
 
MHz
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

drone aka

. . . . meanwhile on earth, . . . .
https://www.dronepilotgroundschool.com/
Drone Pilot Ground School is an online test prep course for commercial drone pilots looking to pass the FAA Aeronautical Knowledge Test for a Remote Pilot Certificate.
 
Hoid
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

drone aka Liberal
/drōn/Submit
verb
verb: drone; 3rd person present: drones; past tense: droned; past participle: droned; gerund or present participle: droning
1.
make a continuous low humming sound.
"in the far distance a machine droned"
synonyms:hum, buzz, whir, vibrate, murmur, rumble, purr, hiss, whisper, sigh
"we heard a plane droning overhead"
speak tediously in a dull monotonous tone.
"he reached for another beer while Jim droned on"
synonyms:speak boringly, speak monotonously, go on and on, talk interminably; More
intone, pontificate;
informalspout, sound off, jaw, spiel, speechify, preachify
"the president droned on about right and wrong"
move with a continuous humming sound.
"traffic droned up and down the street"
noun
noun: drone; plural noun: drones
1.
a low continuous humming sound.
"he nodded off to the drone of the car engine"
synonyms:hum, buzz, whir, whirring, vibration, murmur, murmuring, purr, purring, hiss, hissing, whisper, whispering, sigh
"the drone of aircraft taking off"
INFORMAL
a monotonous speech.
"only twenty minutes of the hour-long drone had passed"
2.
a continuous musical note of low pitch.
a musical instrument, or part of one, sounding a continuous note, in particular (also drone pipe ) a pipe in a bagpipe or (also drone string ) a string in an instrument such as a hurdy-gurdy or a sitar.
noun: drone pipe; plural noun: drone pipes; noun: drone string; plural noun: drone strings
3.
a male bee in a colony of social bees, which does no work but can fertilize a queen.
a person who does no useful work and lives off others.
synonyms:hanger-on, parasite, leech, passenger; More
idler, loafer, layabout, lounger, good-for-nothing, do-nothing, sluggard, laggard;
informallazybones, scrounger, sponger, cadger, freeloader, bloodsucker, waster, skiver, slacker
"students came to be regarded as drones supported by taxpayers' money"

For some reason you edited out

4.a remote-controlled pilotless aircraft or missile.
 
Curious Cdn
#13
Let's see supersonic drone that has advanced enough A.I. in it to dog fight. If it is designed to manoever sharply enough, it could win by putting the opposing pilot into a 20 G situation until he blacks out and is a sitting duck.
 
MHz
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

For some reason you edited out

4.a remote-controlled pilotless aircraft or missile.

Should I start a thread to explore how that could have happened with 'eagle-eye pete' on the job??
 
MHz
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Let's see supersonic drone that has advanced enough A.I. in it to dog fight. If it is designed to manoever sharply enough, it could win by putting the opposing pilot into a 20 G situation until he blacks out and is a sitting duck.

Could we not develop a 'condor' bi-plane' that rides the 'thermals' as much as possible that is sensors only and the data is fed to the missiles at Cold Lake where there are a few 1,000 missiles that can be a single explosion or a cluster munition where each munition is guided to 'a warm target' as well as being reloaded in a few minutes.
We could also launch a big balloon frim the island in the far north and make them look impressive to the are shit down first and the loss of signal would be the sign an attack has started and the US military can come and save us, well at least the most valuable parts.


The US is in a rush to buy some of the Iron Dome hardware, . . . . . . probably for the Dutch Islands in the Caribbean.
 
taxslave
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Let's see supersonic drone that has advanced enough A.I. in it to dog fight. If it is designed to manoever sharply enough, it could win by putting the opposing pilot into a 20 G situation until he blacks out and is a sitting duck.

The other drone won't have a pilot in it to pass out.
 
petros
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

For some reason you edited out
4.a remote-controlled pilotless aircraft or missile.

Because it's informal. It's idiot speak.
 
petros
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The other drone won't have a pilot in it to pass out.

Drones dont fly. UAVs or helicopters do but not drones.
 
taxslave
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Drones dont fly. UAVs or helicopters do but not drones.

Drones is pretty much accepted term for UAVs around here. Probably the media's fault.
 
Hoid
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Let's see supersonic drone that has advanced enough A.I. in it to dog fight. If it is designed to manoever sharply enough, it could win by putting the opposing pilot into a 20 G situation until he blacks out and is a sitting duck.

There are no dogfights anymore.

Too much Top Gun.
 
Hoid
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Because it's informal. It's idiot speak.

It's a common definition of a word widely used to mean pilotless aircraft.

The ridiculous shit you choose to argue about is hilarious.
 
Curious Cdn
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There are no dogfights anymore.
Too much Top Gun.

No dog fights because it's been two-three generations since great power airforces met in combat. DO NOT expect that situation to last forever.

The Taliban nor ISIS have fighter planes.
 
Curious Cdn
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The other drone won't have a pilot in it to pass out.

Re-read the post, Shakespeare. The OPPOSING plane has a pilot who can black out.
 
taxslave
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Re-read the post, Shakespeare. The OPPOSING plane has a pilot who can black out.

Why? Are you stupid enough to think we are the only ones with UAV's?
 
Hoid
#25
I'm stupid enough to believe we'll be the only ones without them.

Until they are available through the normal military-industrial complex channels we aren't going to have them.

ON the other hand we don't have any need of or use for a military anyway. So it doesn't rally matter.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I'm stupid enough

I agree Lol
 
MHz
#27
He wasn't admitting to being the stupidest one in the room. Only somebody really stupid would think that he was saying that.
 
petros
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It's a common definition of a word widely used to mean pilotless aircraft.
The ridiculous shit you choose to argue about is hilarious.

UAV is common. Drone is a misnomer.
 
Hoid
#29
From wikipedia

"An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone, is an aircraft without a human pilot aboard."
 
Curious Cdn
#30
drone verb
droned; droning
Definition of drone (Entry 2 of 3)
intransitive verb

1a : to make a sustained deep murmuring, humming, or buzzing sound
droning bees
The air conditioner droned.
b : to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone
droning on and on about his health

2 : to pass, proceed, or act in a dull, drowsy, or indifferent manner
The afternoon droned on.


Merriam-Webster
 

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