Welfare People Who Want To Work Go To Alberta

Liberalman · Oct 9, 2011

Welfare People who want to work Go To Alberta

Alberta job market the envy of the world

'Stunning' job rush continues in Alberta

Oilpatch workers in demand

I lived Edmonton Alberta in the boom times back in back in the late 1970s and they had the same problem as they are now lots of high paying jobs and not enough workers.

It all has to do with black gold and America’s decision to cut Arab oil for Alberta’s sweet crude

All the provincial and city governments in Canada should be cutting their losses and sending their welfare recipients who are able bodied to Alberta to start work today.

The federal government should cut E.I. payments to people that can work and pay for a bus ride out to the Heartland of Alberta, Wild Rose Country.

The taxpayers can win big in the rest of Canada and the Alberta businesses would get more workers to fill their ever-expanding need.

Thanksgiving weekend is upon us to give thanks for what we have and today we should be making plans to change our fate in life and go out west or east if you live west of Alberta and enjoy the milk and honey.

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Hahaha, I remember when Alberta was going thru a tough period, so King Ralph gave free bus tickets, to anyone who was on welfare, a free ride to Ontario. Ontario had a more generous welfare package as well. hahaha, Ralph knew how to solve problems !!!

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

I can agree with your premise in principle, but remember that most of those jobs are skilled trades. The unemployed are usually unemployed because they have no sellable skill or knowleged, and can't gain thaose skills since they have no money for school. After all, you need a job to get money to go to school to get the skills to get the job. A tough catch-22 to pull themselves out of.

I could see a strategy whereby we agree to pay for their trades training on condition that the company promise to hire them, pay for their transport, and food and lodging for the first month. This would mean that if a company were truly that desparate for workers, it could sign a tentative contract with the worker promising to hire him once he gets the necessary diploma. He shows the contract to his local college, and the college applies for a voucher from the provincial ministry of education for him for the diploma programme he needs to get the job.

Durry said:
Hahaha, I remember when Alberta was going thru a tough period, so King Ralph gave free bus tickets, to anyone who was on welfare, a free ride to Ontario. Ontario had a more generous welfare package as well. hahaha, Ralph knew how to solve problems !!!

That's not problem solving. It's what we might call problem offloading. Not very patriotic to just offload your problems onto other Canadians is it.

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
That's not problem solving. It's what we might call problem offloading. Not very patriotic to just offload your problems onto other Canadians is it.

Sending transfer payments to provinces that are addicted to spending and live with a culture of entitlement, is not problem solving either. Only an easterner would consider it patriotic to receive this welfare transfer payment!!

Kakato · Oct 9, 2011

Durry said:
Hahaha, I remember when Alberta was going thru a tough period, so King Ralph gave free bus tickets, to anyone who was on welfare, a free ride to Ontario. Ontario had a more generous welfare package as well. hahaha, Ralph knew how to solve problems !!!

My mom owned the greyhound in town here and they used to send the ones here 50 miles west to fernie B.C.

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

Durry said:
Sending transfer payments to provinces that are addicted to spending and live with a culture of entitlement, is not problem solving either.

Partially agreed.

Only an easterner would consider it patriotic to receive this welfare transfer payment!!

Disagree.

Kakato said:
My mom owned the greyhound in town here and they used to send the ones here 50 miles west to fernie B.C.

Now there's a national employment strategy. We could just train the unemployed for the jobs the market needs, or...

We could just drive them around back and forth between provinces so as to create a shortage of bus drivers and unemployed people with no driving license still being bussed back and forth. Brilliant.

Liberalman · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
I can agree with your premise in principle, but remember that most of those jobs are skilled trades. The unemployed are usually unemployed because they have no sellable skill or knowleged, and can't gain thaose skills since they have no money for school. After all, you need a job to get money to go to school to get the skills to get the job. A tough catch-22 to pull themselves out of.

I could see a strategy whereby we agree to pay for their trades training on condition that the company promise to hire them, pay for their transport, and food and lodging for the first month. This would mean that if a company were truly that desparate for workers, it could sign a tentative contract with the worker promising to hire him once he gets the necessary diploma. He shows the contract to his local college, and the college applies for a voucher from the provincial ministry of education for him for the diploma programme he needs to get the job.

That's not problem solving. It's what we might call problem offloading. Not very patriotic to just offload your problems onto other Canadians is it.

Your idea is too complicated. It would be better for the Alberta government to offer an eight week first year apprenticeship courses at SAIT or NAIT in the skills that the industries need and then they would have the basic skill to be hired then the company would finish the rest of the training and have a permanent employee for at least the four or five years it takes to be a journeyman.

The hiring company would pay a cheaper labour than a skilled worker, which means more profits, and the Alberta government would get tax money from the employee, which is a win/win solution.

Kakato · Oct 9, 2011

if you have a grade 12 and a half a brain cell you can get work in fort mac. But it's allmost all easterners so it's a real dog eat dog and cut throat environment.They are only here for one thing and they brag about it.....money,livin the dream me byes,livin the dream.They will eventually go home with all their toys and retire.

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

Liberalman said:
Your idea is too complicated. It would be better for the Alberta government to offer an eight week first year apprenticeship courses at SAIT or NAIT in the skills that the industries need and then they would have the basic skill to be hired then the company would finish the rest of the training and have a permanent employee for at least the four or five years it takes to be a journeyman.

The hiring company would pay a cheaper labour than a skilled worker, which means more profits, and the Alberta government would get tax money from the employee, which is a win/win solution.

Maybe you're right.

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Liberalman said:
Your idea is too complicated. It would be better for the Alberta government to offer an eight week first year apprenticeship courses at SAIT or NAIT in the skills that the industries need and then they would have the basic skill to be hired
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This is being done, there are all kinds of upgrading / employment courses available, it's just that the unemployed are not interested in training, they just want to get paid for doing very little !!

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

Kakato said:
if you have a grade 12 and a half a brain cell you can get work in fort mac. But it's allmost all easterners so it's a real dog eat dog and cut throat environment.They are only here for one thing and they brag about it.....money,livin the dream me byes,livin the dream.They will eventually go home with all their toys and retire.

To live for money only is indeed a shallow life. That said, from an economic standpoint, at least they're paying taxes.

As for the level of skills required, you might be right. If that's the case though, then we should not need any government involvement at all. The companies themselves would be more than willing to pay for the bus tickets and food and housing for the first month if they really are as desperate as they pretend.

The way the media protrayed it made it sound like they were having a hard time finding people, so natrually I'd concluded there must be some skills barrier to work there for the unemployed, in which case government action to train the unemployed would be in order. But again, if you're right about the skills required for these jobs, then there realy is no need for government involvement seeing that as long as you have a high school diploma, all the companies have to do is offer to pay fist month' rlodging and transport to Alberta. So what is the real story here? Re they short of workers? From what you're telling me, it sounds like they're not, in which case just sending everyone to Alberta is not a solution at all.

Kakato · Oct 9, 2011

Anyone coming to Alberta on EI gets free PITS(petroleum institute training service)training which is every single course you need to work in the petroleum industry and takes about 2 weeks,then if you go to the oilsands you will go through at least a month of more training for the OSI(oil sands industry)standards.
Theres people from all over the world working in fort mac and commuting home on days off,some to Australia even.

Goober · Oct 9, 2011

Liberalman said:
Welfare People who want to work Go To Alberta

Alberta job market the envy of the world

'Stunning' job rush continues in Alberta

Oilpatch workers in demand

I lived Edmonton Alberta in the boom times back in back in the late 1970s and they had the same problem as they are now lots of high paying jobs and not enough workers.

It all has to do with black gold and America’s decision to cut Arab oil for Alberta’s sweet crude

All the provincial and city governments in Canada should be cutting their losses and sending their welfare recipients who are able bodied to Alberta to start work today.

The federal government should cut E.I. payments to people that can work and pay for a bus ride out to the Heartland of Alberta, Wild Rose Country.

The taxpayers can win big in the rest of Canada and the Alberta businesses would get more workers to fill their ever-expanding need.

Thanksgiving weekend is upon us to give thanks for what we have and today we should be making plans to change our fate in life and go out west or east if you live west of Alberta and enjoy the milk and honey.

I think that they are in the rght prov if they do not want to work.

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
in which case government action to train the unemployed would be in order. But again, if you're right about the skills required for these jobs, then there realy is no need for government involvement seeing that as long as you have a high school diploma, all the companies have to do is offer to pay fist month' rlodging and transport to Alberta. So what is the real story here? Re they short of workers? From what you're telling me, it sounds like they're not, in which case just sending everyone to Alberta is not a solution at all.

Oh you easterners, that's all you guys can ever think off,,,,,is,,,,,"the government should do it""!!!! Get a brain, the government has never done sh^t properly.

The companies are all willing to transport and train if required. Keep the fkn gov out. They can pay the bills or provide the incentives, thats it !!!

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

Durry said:
Oh you easterners, that's all you guys can ever think off,,,,,is,,,,,"the government should do it""!!!! Get a brain, the government has never done sh^t properly.

The companies are all willing to transport and train if required. Keep the fkn gov out. They can pay the bills or provide the incentives, thats it !!!

I'm probably more capitalist than you are in some respects. Sure I support government funding for edcuation, yet also support schol vouchers, support eliminating minimum wage legislation, support free labour movement agreements between countries, reducing social assistance to the poor overall except in the area of job training to get them back to work, support free trade between countries, and reducing the military.

Hell, most Conservatives are mose socialist than that.

Kakato said:
Anyone coming to Alberta on EI gets free PITS(petroleum institute training service)training which is every single course you need to work in the petroleum industry and takes about 2 weeks,then if you go to the oilsands you will go through at least a month of more training for the OSI(oil sands industry)standards.
Theres people from all over the world working in fort mac and commuting home on days off,some to Australia even.

So it's already being done then. So it would seem the Alberta government recognizes that it's worth investing a bit on training the unemployed and making them prodictive taxpayers rather than do nothing and support them on social assistance for years on end. I didn't know that but am not surprised, though I bet Durry must be quite surprised that the government of a western province should actually be involved in funding job training for the unemployed. It would make logical sense to most people, but not Durry I suppose.

Goober said:
I think that they are in the rght prov if they do not want to work.

What do you mean? If there are truly labour shortages in Alberta, then the cost of living is likely to be higher too; either that or taxes would be higher to compensate. So how would a booming economy benefit a person who doesn't want to work?

Kakato · Oct 9, 2011

Goober said:
I think that they are in the rght prov if they do not want to work.

The oilsands will pay you a subsidy for rent,or lodge you in camp,and if you buy a house they will give you about 20% of the down payment at about 1% interest forgiveable after a year if your still with them so lots of newfys buy houses up there for $750.000 or more and then build bedrooms and rent them out for $800.00 a month.

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
So it's already being done then. So it would seem the Alberta government recognizes that it's worth investing a bit on training the unemployed and making them prodictive taxpayers rather than do nothing and support them on social assistance for years on end. I didn't know that but am not surprised, though I bet Durry must be quite surprised that the government of a western province should actually be involved in funding job training for the unemployed. It would make logical sense to most people, but not Durry I suppose.
work?

Hey easterner, the government of AB supports it, it does not DO IT !!! there is a difference,,,get it???

Machjo · Oct 9, 2011

Durry said:
Hey easterner, the government of AB supports it, it does not DO IT !!! there is a difference,,,get it???

Of course I get it. By the way, I was raised in BC.

Now, when I'd proposed the government train workers, I was saying it as a short form for funding it via school vouchers for instance, not necessarily that the government itself open up schools. I though it would have been clear enough when I'd mentioned vouchers above.

Had you looked past the fact that I live in Ottawa you would have recognized that we were both essentially saying the same thing, but instead you have a hate-on for "Easterners".

Durry · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
you have a hate-on for "Easterners".

Ummmm, well deserved tho, is it that obvious ??? Lol !!

Goober · Oct 9, 2011

Machjo said:
Of course I get it. By the way, I was raised in BC.

Now, when I'd proposed the government train workers, I was saying it as a short form for funding it via school vouchers for instance, not necessarily that the government itself open up schools. I though it would have been clear enough when I'd mentioned vouchers above.

Had you looked past the fact that I live in Ottawa you would have recognized that we were both essentially saying the same thing, but instead you have a hate-on for "Easterners".

You are not an Easterner - You live in Upper Canada - Central Canada. I am an Easterner - From the Maritimes -So lets get on the right road here.

Durry said:
Ummmm, well deserved tho, is it that obvious ??? Lol !!

Aaahhhh - No.

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