"The west wants out": Separatist sentiments growing in Alberta

Decapoda said:

It's hard to disagree with your point, however I think there is a point where it becomes impossible for the west to support eastern Canada autocratic rule. I've lived in MB, SK, and AB and one thing I know about westerners, they are not the type to sit on the chesterfield and eat poutine while their way of life gets systematically and deliberately dismantled and their economy gets hollowed out by eastern elitist assholes. There is a tipping point...and it's coming.
Its going to be very interesting to see what happens when Trudeau kills the Teck mine project. He's already putting together an "aid package" for Alberta, I suspect the offering is going to be seen as even more offensive than the deliberate sabotage of their economy. Albertans just want to work, unlike the East they don't take kindly to patronizing charity from a condescending Laurentian elitist douche bag who is intent on nothing less than their complete reform and subservience.

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Twin_Moose said:

QFT, it will depend on the CPC pick for leader on how much support WEXIT will receive, the current front runners is only strengthening WEXIT.

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Girth said:

Wexit is a joke. I would not mind seeing a party that legitimately cares for the best interests of Albertans emerge, with intelligent and honest people leading the movement. If one were to research the Wexit movement, you would come to the same conclusion as I have. They are a bunch of clowns, who are only in it for shameless self-promotion.

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"If they say no to this project, then they are signalling … that he (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau) wants to phase out the oilsands,” Kenney said.
It was not a sentence I was prepared to read. Not even in the central Canadian press.
The sentence was this: Canada is preparing an aid package for Alberta.
Let me detail how wrong this is, and outrageous.
Where did this “Canada” come from? The Liberal government is not Canada. And everyone in Canada except, perhaps, the Liberal government, knows this.
The headline should read: The minority government of Justin Trudeau, having already strangled Alberta’s energy industry with pipeline bans and carbon taxes, has come up with a new, most devastating insult to that province. It is contemplating an “aid package” (UN administered?) in the event it makes the most bottomlessly stupid decision in the history of the country and denies the go-ahead to the Teck mine.
Completely rewritten headline with same meaning: Trudeau government mulls speeding up Western separation. Bright Toronto backbencher has brilliant idea: “I know. Let’s cancel the $20-billion Teck oilsands mine and all its good-paying jobs and send every Albertan a copy of Coding for Dummies. For free. A few for the farmers as well. We can call it an aid package.” Chuckles from the back of the caucus. Wide grins in front.
This “aid package” formulation deserves an emphasis. What is this about Canada preparing an aid package for Alberta? We send aid packages to foreign countries, usually after great disasters.
Alberta is not a foreign country. Alberta is in Canada. Alberta is part of Canada. Alberta is a province of Canada. Jason Kenney, however much the Liberals might wish it, is not the premier of Yugoslavia or Ethiopia. No really, he isn’t. He’s the premier of the Canadian province of Alberta.
Have you read ever of “aid packages” being sent to Quebec for SNC-Lavalin, or Bombardier? To Ontario for big auto companies?
Here’s what a real person, making an online comment about the story in the Post, said about the aid package, which is the weasel term for welfare, to Alberta workers: “We don’t want welfare, we want work , and the self-respect and community-building opportunities that honest work brings.” (The emphasis is mine.) Everything this government needs to know about Alberta is in that sentence.
A news story tells me that Chrystia Freeland, and Natural Resources Minister Seamus O’Regan are widely believed to be “tilting” toward approving Teck’s Frontier mine project. And just how far off the perpendicular would that be? Are they at an angle of 85 degrees yet? Will their tilt graduate to a full lean? Will they recur and stabilize? Who knows?
That’s just what Canada needs now. More cabinet ministers who are willing to be “widely believed” by “sources” to be “tilting” in favour of a project that over time would bring $70 billion to a province and ever so many thousands of jobs. Real Horatio at the bridge stuff, profiles in courage, gallantry under fire. It takes great stomach to tilt towards jobs, work, dignity. And face down the How Dare You banshee.
Denying the Teck mine project in the current political and economic atmosphere would be unspeakably stupid. And dangerous. Which is why this other sentence in the same report is staggering: “There will be a big fight inside cabinet over this.”
There well might be a “big fight” in cabinet. But, why, in the name of the Lord, why? There will only be a fight if there are those in that cabinet determined to push Alberta out of Confederation, and engender the most intense resentment and anger that province has ever felt, by choking a $20-billion project.
Just to slake the fanaticism of the wildest climate worshippers and earn the fluttering approval of a couple of out-of-country folk singers and yacht-housed movie stars.
What is the possible “thinking” around this? Is there a faction which thinks you can build a Confederation around banning plastic straws, multiplying bicycle paths and manufacturing yoga mats? Plus slopping out million-dollar subsidies to billionaire grocery chains headquartered in Toronto? Stephen Leacock, Stephen Leacock, where are you now that we need you? Sunny Day Sketches of a Small Mind awaits your pen.
Has the insight descended that our fine Confederation is overcrowded with farmers and fishermen and miners and oil workers, people who like to work for a living, and that the first smell of any needed resource development sets off an alarm in the PMO? Tax it. Regulate it. Protest it. Kill it. Now there’s a philosophy for a new Canada.
Global warming. Global warming. Global warming.
The fact that this present government, penalized to minority status, even thinks sending an aid package in place of a major project approval is appalling. It is incompetence in all its intellectual rags exchanging wedding vows with toxic recklessness. The idea of an “aid package” to our most productive province is blissfully disdainful. It’s loading the water bomber sent out to curb the flames of separatism with kerosene.
Here’s what should happen.
The full cabinet should go to Edmonton at the end of the month and announce that to its immense delight and pride it has approved Teck’s Frontier mine; and more than that, speak out loud about how it is supersaturated with gratitude and has extended a real hand to a province too long on the second tier of Confederation.
That after 10 and more years of the oil industry and its workers getting beaten up by the insanity of pipeline embargoes and witless protests, your government has finally seen the light.
That work is good for people, energy is a necessary and worthy commodity and the Canadian government 100 per cent backs the industry, and Alberta is once again welcome, welcome, welcome in the Confederation.
And, finally, that “aid package” is deep in a place where the sun will never shine.

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Decapoda said:

It's hard to disagree with your point, however I think there is a point where it becomes impossible for the west to support eastern Canada autocratic rule. I've lived in MB, SK, and AB and one thing I know about westerners, they are not the type to sit on the chesterfield and eat poutine while their way of life gets systematically and deliberately dismantled and their economy gets hollowed out by eastern elitist assholes. There is a tipping point...and it's coming.

Its going to be very interesting to see what happens when Trudeau kills the Teck mine project. He's already putting together an "aid package" for Alberta, I suspect the offering is going to be seen as even more offensive than the deliberate sabotage of their economy. Albertans just want to work, unlike the East they don't take kindly to patronizing charity from a condescending Laurentian elitist douche bag who is intent on nothing less than their complete reform and subservience.

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Decapoda said:

Conservative minded people need to think for themselves, rather than having the media and progs shape the narrative for them. There is good talent in some of the candidates, it remains to be seen if people are going to submit to weak minded tendencies and buy into the smears and baseless character assassinations that will certainly ramp up as the conservative race progresses. People need to grow some balls and outright reject the identity politics driven fear and smear bullshit that the left continuously paints conservative supporters with. Until people grow up, push back against the lefts inane immature insult strategies and start thinking for themselves, the media and the socialist left will continue to dictate the outcome of conservative leadership.

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Girth said:

For the first time in my life, I am beginning to wonder if breaking off from Canada is not such a bad idea. These ridiculous protests by non-Aboriginals manipulating the public and other Aboriginals into thinking they are doing "what is best for Canada" has really left me with a bitter taste in my mouth.

It's the media that feeds this sickness. 19 of 20 First Nations bands are in favor of the pipeline being built, as it would provide much needed revenue and career opportunities for their people, only to be usurped by a bunch of clowns claiming to be Indigenous, living in their middle class homes, where mommy and daddy pay all their bills. Just take a scope of the protests, especially at the BC legislature. 90% of the protesters are Caucasian, Asian, and other non-Aboriginal groups.

Even the UN was duped into thinking that this one renegade band was the voice of the silent majority, and issued a statement saying so much. It's not going to get any better, with Trudeau on the sidelines approving of this action, and refusing to call in the military to protect the rail lines and highways.

It's time to punt these Wexit clowns and Kenney away, and establish a legitimate Western Canadian separatist movement. Canadians will be singing a different tune when the oil and gas sector is destroyed, and most Major companies cancel projects, and relocate to Texas. Say goodbye to equalization payments, free healthcare, social services, good educations, etc.

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pgs said:

When the propane runs out in Quebec the government will act .

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Girth said:

David Staples: Chaos has come to Canada — and it could quickly get much worse


If Prime Minister Justin Trudeau does not make the right moves in the next month, the chaos will become more intense and have a different flavour. It won’t only be wild-eyed activists blockading roads, railways and legislature buildings, it will be the people of Alberta rising up against Ottawa like never before.

The chaos has come crashing due to the construction of the Coastal GasLink LNG pipeline, which is supported by the Trudeau Liberals, the Horgan NDP and the leadership of the Wet’suwet’en people.

Illegal protests and blockades in support of a small faction of the Wet’suwet’en who oppose the project have sprung up across Canada.

It’s poetic justice this is happening on Horgan and Trudeau’s watch. Both their governments have done much to encourage the most aggressive of activists. For example, both governments have supported UNDRIP, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which rashly declares no major project must proceed without prior and informed consent of Indigenous groups. This notion runs counter to Canadian law, which makes it clear there is no veto for any First Nation on a major project which is in the overall public good.

Not surprisingly, protestors against the LNG pipeline have invoked the supposed veto under UNDRIP.

To get this project moving, it now looks like only mass arrests and charges will work. But will Trudeau support his own authorities in cracking down?

If he fails, expect to see more illegal, and increasingly confrontational, protests to stop the $12 billion-plus TMX pipeline.

In Alberta, in the most important political decision since the bungled, much-delayed and hugely expensive TMX fiasco, Trudeau must now make the right call on the Teck Frontier oilsands mine approval.

Teck Frontier is the biggest oilsands project ever proposed. The $20-billion proposal has unprecedented support from all Indigenous groups in the area.

Most crucially — and the importance of this is paramount — Teck Frontier was approved by an expert federal/provincial panel after a rigorous, open and transparent 10-year regulatory process.

Why is the federal government now waffling on affirming the regulator’s approval?

In a press conference on Tuesday, Alberta Premier Jason Kenney lashed out, saying if this were about a $20-billion investment into an airplane factory in Quebec or a car plant in Ontario, the government would not try to link airplane or car emissions to approval, but would instead be falling all over itself to offer subsidies.

Two years ago Ottawa exempted a Quebec cement plant from federal environmental review, Kenney said, even as that plant produces two megatons of CO2 emissions per year (about half of what Teck Frontier will produce).

“If their central issues was carbon (emissions), they would have stopped that cement factory,” Kenney said of the Trudeau cabinet. “They would not subsidize Bombardier and auto companies in Ontario. It’s not about emissions. It’s not about the environment. It appears to be about the West.”

Kenney said he’s tried repeatedly to address with Trudeau any outstanding issues around Alberta’s oilsands emissions but has heard nothing back. “We get zero response to that. Instead all we get are these passive aggressive messages constantly emanating from Ottawa, when all we ask that the rule of law be respected and that this country demonstrate that we are a safe place in which to invest, that we don’t follow banana republic-style rules where political preferences are substituted for regulatory decisions.”

Asked what his government’s reaction would be if Teck Frontier is rejected, Kenney said: “The reaction would be swift and serious. I hope it doesn’t come to that.”

A new and clever line of defence for Trudeau possibly rejecting Teck has come out, essentially that the decision is a lose-lose proposition, with cabinet either upsetting Alberta or accepting Teck and losing all credibility as a government committed to fighting climate change. Essentially, the notion is that Trudeau might as well upset Alberta rather than be called out as a fraud on such an important matter.

But, in fact, if Teck proceeds, the Alberta oilsands will still be below the 100-megaton emissions cap for the oilsands.

Yes, a few thousand of the most hardcore oilsands haters will be momentarily outraged. But the chaos exploding out of a rejection of Teck will be far more severe. Trudeau would empower already uncontrolled climate protestors, inject a kill shot of uncertainty into the Canadian economy for investors, and unleash a new level of political chaos in Western Canada.

His path should be clear, to stand up for peace, order and good government by approving Teck Frontier.

source: https://edmontonjournal.com/news/po...to-canada-and-it-could-quickly-get-much-worse

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captain morgan said:

In many regards, disapproval of the Teck mine will get this ball rolling ASAP

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pgs said:

Trudeau wants to get into the history books as the first Prime Minister of a post national state and the last PM of Canada . I feel sorry for the Maritimes .

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captain morgan said:

With any luck, Kenney and Moe will takes steps such that the money going to Ottawa runs out before the propane

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Girth said:

Though the declaration owes its name to a region that originally included Saskatchewan, the proposals contained within are wholly focused on Alberta, including a demand that the federal government recognize Alberta — "or Buffalo" — as a culturally distinct region within Confederation.

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It also called upon leadership candidates for the Conservative party to address the issues it raises. In a statement, the current leader, Andrew Scheer, said his party had long advocated for democratic reform to “ensure Western Canadians have an equal voice in Canadian politics” while saying he would stay out of it, given the leadership contest.
“The frustration and anger in Western Canada is very real and shout not be ignored,” his statement said.
Erin O’Toole, who’s running for the leadership of the party, said in a statement that “the country is more divided than it has been in decades.”
“Now, Westerners are rightly demanding respect and fairness and, in their justifiable anger, some are raising the spectre of separation.”
Although similar in name to the Buffalo Project , another western group working on ideas to address alienation, the two are not connected said Brad Wall, the former Saskatchewan premier who has been involved with the pre-existing Buffalo Project. “However, having read the declaration and canvassed the history of Buffalo in speeches on many occasions over the last decade, I welcome this development and applaud these MPs for the effort to focus national attention on the abiding need for greater fairness for the west,” Wall told National Post on Thursday.

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Cliffy said:

I never voted liberal in my life.
And BC doesn't want to separate.Why would we join Alberta and be bullied into take your phuking pipelines?

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taxme said:

So, I guess that you enjoy living in a corrupt deep state country like Canada. We now have a scandalous, ethics violator and a bloody liar running this country once again now. BC would be far better off to join Alberta and get away from those eastern thieves in Ontario and especially Quebec.

Sadly, this may never happen because BC is fully loaded with lieberals, socialists environ"mental"ist whackos who have no clue as to what they are doing or talking about. The majority of them are clueless as to what they are demonstrating against. BC is one well of a phuc-ed up province thanks to the fools who keep voting for those misfits in Victoria who are allowed to keep running this province. With the socialists running BC and the french lieberals running Ottawa it is no wonder Canada has become the laughing stock of the world and is near bankrupt. But you could careless, right?

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