Trudeau threatens to sue Scheer over SNC statements

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IMO this whole mess is making things worse.

Makes the liberals worse.


Makes the cons worse.


Haven't heard a peep out of the NDP but I don't trust them.


Maybe it'd be best if we just erased all our parties and started over.
 

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Now Trudeau has to sue, because if he backs out now he looks more guilty.. :lol:

Unless they get a paid media hack to explain a way out to the public oh look here is one already Lol

Liberals defend PM's threat to sue Scheer

Scheer revealed Sunday that he'd received a letter from Trudeau's lawyer, Julian Porter, serving notice of a possible libel suit over a statement issued on March 29, in which the Conservative leader accused Trudeau of leading a campaign to politically interfere with the criminal prosecution of Montreal engineering giant SNC-Lavalin and directing his former attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, to break the law.
The notice is not an actual lawsuit, just a threat that one might come — a standard first step in a defamation claim. In the Commons on Monday, Scheer repeatedly taunted the Liberals to bring it on.
"Canadians are looking forward to the prime minister finally appearing under oath and testifying in a setting that he, himself, cannot control," Scheer said, repeatedly asking the government to set a date for legal proceedings to begin.
Scheer denied having edited or deleted any posts on Twitter...…………...read more in link

Look there is nothing to......….SQUIRREL Lol

Liberals Pounce On Facebook’s Faith Goldy Ban To Criticize Andrew Scheer

Bill Kelly: How would Andrew Scheer have handled the SNC-Lavalin case?
 

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Actually its all the stuff that the Cons have scrubbed from Scheer's twitter account that the Liberals are going to pounce on.
 

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Just read this..

"Investigate the Loblaws scam. Morneau's wife owns McCain foods. A massive frozen food supplier. Funny tax payers are buying them 12 million worth of new freezers. Loblaws also owe 368 million in taxes and were busted for price fixing."

Anyone know anything about this?

Must by another Liberal contributor like SNCL?
 

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Just read this..
"Investigate the Loblaws scam. Morneau's wife owns McCain foods. A massive frozen food supplier. Funny tax payers are buying them 12 million worth of new freezers. Loblaws also owe 368 million in taxes and were busted for price fixing."
Anyone know anything about this?
Must by another Liberal contributor like SNCL?

McKenna criticized for plan to give Loblaw $12M for new fridges

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna is defending the decision to give up to $12 million in funding to Loblaw so it can install more energy-efficient fridges.
That comes just a year and a half after the company fought against raising the minimum wage, admitted to a 14-year bread price-fixing scheme and ended up in a tax court battle last year that saw it ordered to pay back taxes worth roughly $368 million related to a banking subsidiary in the Caribbean.
READ MORE: Loblaw admits to bread price-fixing for 14 years
"Installing new refrigerators results in 50,000 vehicles off the road every year, and Loblaw is also putting in money," said McKenna to reporters on Tuesday when questioned about why Loblaw warranted the funding.
"There are all sorts of projects we've been doing with companies, with cities making investments. We're all in this together. We need to make sure we're working really hard to reduce our emissions, that we're taking action in an affordable way and putting a price on pollution but giving the money back."
She continued: "We need to take action across the board. Everyone has to be reducing their emissions."

Loblaw, which brought in $800 million in earnings last year, will get $12 million under the Liberals' new Low Carbon Economy Challenge Champion stream.
That program is part of the Low Carbon Economy Leadership Fund, which allocated roughly $2 billion to fund clean technology to reduce carbon emissions.
The first recipient under the Low Carbon Economy Challenge Champion stream, announced in January 2019, was a project by Enwave Energy Corporation to use deep, cold water from Lake Ontario to cool hospitals and other government, educational and highrise buildings in downtown Toronto.
But the announcement by McKenna on Monday has prompted criticism from the opposition parties and both civil and taxpayer advocates who are questioning why the government is giving money to help a profitable company retrofit the fridges in 370 stores and whether there are checks in place to monitor the funds.
The $12 million is set to be used by Loblaw for retrofits scheduled to take place between 2019 and 2022.
But it is not clear at this time whether the $12 million was given out in one chunk or whether it will be broken down as Loblaw hits retrofit targets, particularly given 2019 is an election year that could potentially see the Liberals — and their emissions-reduction focus — booted out of office.

Galen Weston is worth $13.55 billion and @cathmckenna showed up at one of his stores to give his company $12 million - after being found guilty of price fixing bread prices.
SNC, KPMG, Kinder Morgan - @JustinTrudeau's idea of the needy. https://t.co/TXXKLbAVxA
— Charlie Angus NDP (@CharlieAngusNDP) April 9, 2019

Today Trudeau spent $12M of your tax dollars on freezers for Loblaws, who made $800 million in profit last year. Amanda, who has a local grocery store whose freezers just broke, has a message for @cathmckenna and @JustinTrudeau. You have to watch this https://t.co/1XykPEwphFhttps://t.co/KSwt1gMze5
— Michelle Rempel (@MichelleRempel) April 8, 2019

Loblaws: fixed bread prices so staple food harder to buy for the hard pressed, fought raising minimum wage, was charged $360 mil for tax evasion but, in order to do the RIGHT thing are given $12million tax dollars, much of which from the very people they scorn. Wow. #cdnpolihttps://t.co/AAVpyMo7Bq
— Andrew Cash (@AndrewCash) April 9, 2019

Weird, you didn't hit Loblaws with a new tax.
You gave them a free $12 million handout - for new refrigerators!
I guess regular Canadians can pay for it out of the new tax you're sticking *them* with. https://t.co/pIjOvXkFaz
— Aaron Wudrick (@awudrick) April 9, 2019
A funding agreement still needs to be hammered out, according to a press release from Environment and Climate Change Canada on Monday.
McKenna said Loblaw will also be making investments of up to $36 million to reduce emissions, though she did not specify what those investments will go towards.
She said the new fridges will reduce Loblaw emissions by 23 per cent.
 

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A government called. Its centre is missing

Threaten to sue, and you must follow through.
It’s a phrase the late Johnnie Cochran might have deployed in the courtroom, and it’s one that should have been barked at Justin Trudeau before he sent a lawyer’s letter Andrew Scheer’s way for the latter’s “defamatory” criticisms on SNC-Lavalin.
But no one did. Or if somebody did speak up, that person was roundly ignored.
And so the stage was set for Trudeau’s limp legal arrow to be snatched out of mid-air by Scheer, turned around at a Sunday afternoon press conference, and stabbed into Trudeau’s backside, the latest act of self-harm in this apparently unending play.
It was as painful as it was predictable. There was no way Trudeau was ever going to follow through and endure the process of discovery on SNC. You don’t shut down two Parliamentary committees, sack two caucus members, and jettison your top two advisors because you’re eager to get to the bottom of something.
Even if Scheer has defamed Trudeau, he’s now called Trudeau’s bluff for all to see. If Trudeau is serious he needs to sue. Because I can guarantee you Scheer will be standing up every day to repeat his allegation, regardless of the limp attempt to chill. Knowing the Conservatives, they’ll soon have a website soliciting donations by tracking how many days it’s been since Trudeau issued his threat. It’s how they roll.
What nobody can figure out at the minute is how the Prime Minister’s Office is rolling. It hasn’t really rolled since Gerry Butts’ head rolled in mid-February.
What the failed legal gambit demonstrates is that no one at the Centre is thinking clearly. Not the Prime Minister. Not his Chief of Staff. Not his Executive Director of Communications and Planning. Not his Director of Communications. And not his Director of Issues Management. Every time they try to turn the corner on SNC they succeed only in stepping on another rake.
The PMO misjudged the will of Jody Wilson-Raybould. They underestimated the character of Jane Philpott. They trashed the brand they spent years building by savaging both off the record. They shut down legitimate enquiries. They even dragged an eminent jurist—Glenn Joyal—into the mud. And then came the silly call to serve the Leader of the Opposition.
What’s less clear is who is making the big calls?
And while the temptation is always to blame the help, the blame is usually more accurately directed toward the person at the top. Until you’ve been in a room with a prime minister—to say nothing of an angry or desperate one—you don’t know how hard it is to push back. The best hire a leader can make it someone who will challenge their bulls**t. Trudeau needs that challenger now more than ever.
It certainly wouldn’t have taken much of a B.S. detector to predict the libel gambit would fail:
PM (red with anger): “Let’s sue.”
PMO: “Are you willing to disclose everything about SNC and testify under oath?”
PM (turns white): “But we’ve got to send a message.”
PMO: “We can. And then Scheer will say ‘bring it on’ and call you a giant wuss for not acting.”
And scene.
The hardest thing to do when those around you are losing their heads is to keep yours. If the Prime Minister doesn’t have anyone capable of keeping their head he needs to go out and find them. Now. And if the Prime Minister isn’t listening to anyone in his office, they need to find someone he’ll listen too. Before it’s too late.
Because—and despite all outward appearances—there is still time and the Prime Minister is not without his powers. The entire resource of government is there to be deployed at his command.
But the key to changing the channel is actually changing the channel, not talking about the need to change the channel. If I see one more Liberal groupie moan about how we’re not talking about the right issue on Twitter I’m going to scream.
If climate change is your bag, then announce a climate change event. Make it the biggest climate change event ever held in Canada. Announce a whole suite of climate change speakers to speak at said climate change event. Do a week’s worth of climate change interviews with climate change journos who don’t give a hoot about the SNC pollution. Get the biggest climate changer on the planet to interview the Prime Minister at his climate change event. Have the Prime Minister visit Barack Obama to pick a climate change fight with Donald J. Trump off the back of it. Then get the Prime Minister to announce the Ottawa Protocol as the successor to the Paris Accord.
And if white nationalism is your thing, haul in the tech companies and get them to do a better job of policing their hate-filled platforms. Leave the podium the next time some white nationalist yobbos try to interrupt your press conference and give them a telling off. While you’re at it, pick fights with Ezra Levant and Maxime Bernier and try to get Scheer caught in the crossfire. Announce a record investment in mosque security and hug every imam you can find from Newfoundland to the Yukon.
But for God’s sake man, don’t send legal letters when you have no intention of following through. Don’t try to sell your dead parrot of a budget from behind a podium with journalists firing SNC bullets your way. And don’t think you can continue to bully or bluff your way through this scandal.
Instead, try going to the National Press Theatre and saying you’re sorry for everything and announce the government will not be offering a deferred prosecution agreement to SNC-Lavalin.
Who knows, it just might work.
 

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You can't be lying to Canadians. LOL. How does he do this with a straight face?



Then, when he loses in a game of chicken he calls Scheer a racist.

How typical.



 

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Trudeau violated MPs' rights, broke law with 'unilateral' expulsion: Philpott
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April 9, 2019
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April 9, 2019 7:30 PM EDT
Independent MPs Jane Philpott and Jody Wilson-Raybould speak with the media before Question Period in the foyer of the House of Commons in Ottawa, April 3, 2019.Adrian Wyld / The Canadian Press
OTTAWA — The Liberals’ efforts to put the SNC-Lavalin affair behind them were stymied once again Tuesday by the former cabinet ministers at the centre of the political storm, as Jane Philpott argued that Justin Trudeau violated MPs’ rights when he expelled her and Jody Wilson-Raybould from the governing party’s caucus.
Philpott asked the Speaker of the House of Commons to rule on whether the prime minister violated parliamentary privilege when he ejected the pair from the Liberal caucus last week, without holding a caucus vote on the matter. She argued that the Parliament of Canada Act, which was amended in 2015 to give MPs the right to a final say on expulsions, was breached.
However, Trudeau insisted the law was followed. And, in any event, Speaker Geoff Regan had already ruled Monday in a similar case that he has no authority to interpret or enforce the statute.
All of which led Tourism Minister Melanie Joly to conclude that Philpott has “a need for attention.”
“I think we’re moving on and I think my colleagues need to move on, too,” Joly said of the former ministers.
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Later Tuesday, Liberals on the Commons ethics committee agreed, voting down Conservative and NDP motions to initiate a new inquiry into the entire SNC-Lavalin affair. The opposition parties had pinned their hopes on Toronto Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, who has in the past supported a full, independent inquiry into the matter.
But even Erskine-Smith, who has a reputation for bucking the party line, voted against the motions. He said that Wilson-Raybould, in a written submission to the Commons justice committee following up on nearly four hours of oral testimony, concluded that she had nothing more to say. And he noted that Philpott has said she believes Canadians have enough information before them now to pass judgment on the affair.
All the other witnesses the opposition wanted to call could have made written submissions to the justice committee if they’d wished, Erskine-Smith said. He added that it “does not make sense” to launch a second inquiry when “the two principal people in this who have raised these concerns have said they have nothing more to add.”
Wilson-Raybould has said she was inappropriately pressured last fall by the Prime Minister’s Office and others to intervene to stop the criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin. The Montreal engineering giant is facing bribery charges related to contracts in Libya.
Wilson-Raybould believes she was moved out of the prestigious justice portfolio to Veterans Affairs in a mid-January cabinet shuffle as punishment for refusing to override the director of public prosecutions, who had decided not to offer SNC-Lavalin a remediation agreement, a kind of plea bargain. She resigned from cabinet a month later. Philpott followed suit a few weeks after that, saying she’d lost confidence in the government’s handling of the SNC-Lavalin case.
Trudeau expelled the pair from the Liberal caucus last week, saying other MPs had lost trust in the former ministers.
Amendments to the Parliament of Canada Act, spearheaded by Conservative MP Michael Chong, were passed in 2015 in an effort to decentralize political power on Parliament Hill and put it back in the hands of rank-and-file MPs.
However, the new rules also left it up to caucus members, at their first meeting following an election, to decide whether to opt into the Chong reforms. The act states that recorded votes are to be held on four different provisions, including the provisions on expulsion of caucus members.
Those votes never occurred in the Liberal caucus following Trudeau’s victory in 2015. Rather, the newly elected MPs — presumably including Philpott and Wilson-Raybould — voted unanimously to defer the matter to the Liberal party’s next convention. Chong’s reforms were never discussed at two subsequent Liberal conventions.
Philpott said that left her, Wilson-Raybould and other MPs who might run afoul of Trudeau in the dark about how to fight an expulsion effort and how they might be readmitted to the Liberal caucus.
Montreal MP Francis Scarpaleggia, the Liberal caucus chair, said in an email that “by implication, the Liberal caucus did not opt in to the Conservative’s (Chong’s) suggestions for how to conduct internal caucus business,” which meant decisions about caucus membership remained the party leader’s prerogative. Scarpaleggia said he informed the Speaker in the fall of 2015 of the caucus’s decision not to use the Chong reforms this term.
However, Chong himself said the recorded yes-or-no votes are “mandatory” — the language of the law is clear — and that because they did not take place, Trudeau acted illegally in expelling Philpott and Wilson-Raybould. Still, he acknowledged that “no court in the land” will touch the issue of how MPs handle themselves in Parliament, so the former ministers’ only recourse is to appeal to the Speaker.
Had the rules laid out in the Parliament of Canada Act been applied, Philpott said 90 Liberal MPs would have had to vote in a secret ballot to eject her and Wilson-Raybould. Instead, Trudeau made the decision “unilaterally.”
“We were expelled prior to the commencement of the Liberal caucus meeting,” she noted.
Regan told Philpott he would consider her argument and report back to the House later.
Trudeau later acknowledged the decision to give the pair the boot was his but added: “I can reassure everyone and say very clearly to both Dr. Philpott and Ms. Wilson-Raybould that I consulted extensively with caucus over the preceding weeks.”
“The will of caucus was very, very clear that they wanted the two individuals removed from caucus. It was my decision to make but the fact that the caucus was clear and united on that made my decision easier.”
Conservatives, meanwhile, continued Tuesday to taunt Trudeau over his threat to sue Tory Leader Andrew Scheer for making allegedly libellous statements about the prime minister’s handling of the SNC-Lavalin file. Scheer himself retweeted the statement that prompted the libel notice while his MPs repeatedly dared Trudeau to set a date for legal proceedings to begin.
Trudeau was unrepentant, arguing that with an election coming up, it’s important that politicians be discouraged from twisting the truth and distorting reality.
“You can’t be lying to Canadians,” said Trudeau. “It’s not something we’re going to put up with.”
http://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1115641674229800967
http://torontosun.com/news/national...cking-former-ministers-out-of-caucus-philpott
 

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LILLEY: Trudeau accuses Scheer of lying .... seriously?!
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau makes his way back to a cabinet meeting after voting in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Tuesday.Sean Kilpatrick / The Canadian Press
Justin Trudeau says we can’t have politicians going around telling lies.
Well if that’s the case, what will he tell us from now on?
Asked about his threat to sue Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer over the opposition leader’s comments on the SNC-Lavalin scandal, Trudeau defended his move.
“You can’t be lying to Canadians, and I think highlighting that there are consequences — short-term and long-term — when politicians choose to twist the truth and distort reality for Canadians,” Trudeau said.
“It’s not something we’re going to put up with.”
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Of course, a case can easily be made that Trudeau is the one who has been twisting the truth and is now facing the consequences with weakened poll numbers.
When first facing allegations he and his team pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to drop bribery and corruption charges against SNC-Lavalin, Trudeau simply said the story was false.
He didn’t waver from that — he simply claimed it was false.
As more information came out, he admitted that, yes, he and others had pressured Wilson-Raybould, but was all ‘acceptable’ pressure.
It was just fine, he said — it was part of the job and she couldn’t handle it.
Besides, said Trudeau … if anything inappropriate had happened, she should have come forward and said so — something the PM assured us Wilson-Raybould never did.
Except she did, and even provided proof.
Wilson-Raybould detailed the time last Sept. when she told the PM himself he was acting inappropriately — an allegation Trudeau denied for weeks until, last week, he admitted to it under questioning in the House of Commons.
So what was that about lying to Canadians, Justin?
“We put the opposition leader on notice because he was making false statements and misleading Canadians,” Trudeau told the Commons on Tuesday.
The irony truly is lost on this one.
Meanwhile on Tuesday, Trudeau was accused of breaking the law by one of his former cabinet ministers.
Jane Philpott claimed Trudeau violated the 2015 Reform Act which requires parties to hold votes amount the caucus before MPs are kicked out.
“Members of Parliament are not accountable to the leader. The leader is accountable to members of Parliament,” Philpott said.
“Expulsion should not be his decision to make unilaterally.”
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She asked the Speaker to find that the PM had violated her Parliamentary privilege.
In a show of support, 10 out of the 16 executives of the Liberal electoral district association in Philpott’s riding resigned.
All of this is yet another headache for Trudeau on a file that has dogged him for months and cost him dearly in voter support.
Poll after poll has shown a drop in Liberal support, in particular among women.
Trudeau has also been losing support in the 905 region surrounding Toronto, in Quebec and even his Atlantic Canada stronghold.
All because people don’t believe him.
And why wouldn’t they?
The man lecturing Andrew Scheer about lying to Canadians has been changing his stories on the SNC-Lavalin file for months.
Canadians know the truth — our justice system isn’t supposed to work based on who you know in the PMO.
http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-accuses-scheer-of-lying-seriously
 

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Trudeau defends lawsuit threat, says Scheer 'can't be lying to Canadians'

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is defending his threat to sue Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, insisting his chief rival in the upcoming election "can't be lying to Canadians."

Trudeau's lawyer Julian Porter sent a letter to Scheer on Mar. 31 pointing to what he called "highly defamatory comments" the Official Opposition leader had made in a public statement two days earlier. Porter took issue with four sections of the statement, calling it "beyond the pale of fair debate" and libellous to Trudeau personally and in his role as prime minister.
Speaking about the threatened lawsuit for the first time today, Trudeau said it's important that all politicians be straight with Canadians in how they characterize their actions and beliefs.
"I think we are going to have an election in the coming months, and you can't be inventing things," he said on his way into a cabinet meeting on Parliament Hill.
"You can't be lying to Canadians, and I think highlighting that there are consequences, short-term and long-term, when politicians choose to twist the truth and distort reality for Canadians, it's not something we're going to put up with."
Scheer held a news conference Sunday — a week after the libel notice — to reveal the threatened lawsuit.
Scheer's March 29 statement, in part, accused the prime minister of political interference, of lying to Canadians and of corrupt conduct in relation to the SNC-Lavalin criminal proceedings.
In a letter in response to the threat, Scheer's lawyer Peter Downard called the prime minister's complaint "entirely without merit."
'Profoundly disappointing'
"It is profoundly disappointing that the prime minister is seeking to silence debate on matters of such great public importance," he wrote. "Mr. Scheer will not be intimidated."
Scheer kept the pressure up in question period Monday, urging the prime minister to move ahead with the lawsuit because it could shed more light on the SNC-Lavalin matter. Legal proceedings could require Trudeau to testify.
One legal expert told CBC Radio's The Current that while Scheer is essentially daring the prime minister to take him to court, it likely won't happen.
"If you saw his press conference you couldn't help but notice that the leader of the Opposition was almost salivating with this prospect, because he wants to see the optics of a whole slew of witnesses, and discoveries taking place, and emails, letters etc.," Errol Mendes, a professor of constitutional and international law at the University of Ottawa, told host Anna Maria Tremonti.
The optics of a trial like this in an election year are "why it's probably never going to happen," he said.
The Commons ethics committee will meet later today, and the Conservatives will make another push to have the committee study the SNC-Lavalin affair. Liberal MPs on the committee have already used their majority to defeat a Conservative motion to launch an inquiry, arguing that the justice committee's work was ongoing.
 

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I do remember Scheer saying there was no threat of job loss.

That job loss had never been mentioned to Trudeau as a possibility.

An yet it was revealed that indeed Trudeau had been told there could be job loss

So where is Scheer's apology for that?

I guess he won't be giving one. The main thrust of his defense this morning was "WWAAA-H-HHH"
 

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I guess jobs don't matter to conservatives?


Oh they care all right, Hoidie - they care about the jobs that don't matter to the liberals whose sole focus in on the possible 9,000+ jobs - mainly in La Belle Province - that could be lost. Conservatives care about the 12,000 jobs the oil patch is about to shed.
 

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SNC is in Alberta and does all sorts of things in and for the oil patch