Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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Starvation and malnutrition are inseperable whether YOU like it or not.
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That's why they have two distinct definitions, and only one of those definitions is recognised by law.

If the food you have isn't feeding your body then by golly are are starving your body and suffering from malnutrition.
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If I eat only junk found until I can't cram another bite in my yap, day after day. I'm not starving, I'm depriving my body of nutrients.

Nice try though.

Ahhhh so now the UN doesn't mean anything?
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To me? Not anymore. They ceased to be an objective party years ago. Shortly after Pearson left.

So in your opinion, in the UN an American puppet or an objective international body?

I've waited for their views since this incident occured to take a stance and today I back their decision on illegality fully.
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Of course you do, you just had your ideology justified. As soon as the US veto's another resolution against Israel, you'll likely cry foul of the UN again.

It may not be what you wanted to hear or were crusading about over the past week but it is the decision of the only interantional body we have to deal with these matters whether you like it or not.
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Sure, if you say so.

If you want to stand by legality then answer what I asked you before: "Show me the law that gives someone the RIGHT to kill?"
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I answered that right after you asked it. Go back and look.
 
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CDNBear said:
That's why they have two distinct definitions, and only one of those definitions is recognised by law.

If I eat only junk found until I can't cram another bite in my yap, day after day. I'm not starving, I'm depriving my body of nutrients.

Nice try though.

To me? Not anymore. They ceased to be an objective party years ago. Shortly after Pearson left.

So in your opinion, in the UN an American puppet or an objective international body?

Of course you do, you just had your ideology justified. As soon as the US veto's another resolution against Israel, you'll likely cry foul of the UN again.

Sure, if you say so.

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I answered that right after you asked it. Go back and look.
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One is just a bit slower. No biggie.... Why all the whining about inadequate foodstuffs in the concentration camps or Japanese POW camps? Rice and cabbage are pretty nutritious aren't they?
 
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Well Bear, I agreed with you since the beginning on the potential of legality but we've been proven otherwise.

Now what? Ignore it and go back to electrocuted ape mode or take it on the chin?
 
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One is just a bit slower. No biggie.... Why all the whining about inadequate foodstuffs in the concentration camps or Japanese POW camps? Rice and cabbage are pretty nutritious aren't they?
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Again, we aren't talking about morality.

I can't be any clearer then saying on moral grounds I agree. On legal grounds I do not. But then again, I don't rule my life, formulate opinion or make my judgments on emotions.

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Well Bear, I agreed with you since the beginning on the potential of legality but we've been proven otherwise.
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I've dismissed just about everything out of the UN regarding Israel, for years.
And no you didn't, but that ok, I know how you work.
Now what?
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I'll remain consistent and still ignore the UN. Since legal experst from around the globe have pretty much stated otherwise, long before the UN joined in. I think I'm in pretty good company.


Ignore it and go back to electrocuted ape mode or take it on the chin?
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You can do your impression of an electrocuted ape or rest anything you want on your chin. They only people in this thread that have acted like spasmodic primates, have been using nothing but conjecture, from the get go.

If you want to swallow what comes from the UN, go right ahead. Be forewarned, I will keep this in mind the next time I see you condemn the UN for something.
 
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petros said:
Starvation or malnutrition? Does it matter? Food is every bit a weapon as a pointed stick or a nuke. Too bad for you that the UN doesn't see eye to eye with your opinion.

They say it is illegal yet you jump up and down like a electrocuted ape claiming otherwise.

Why? Doesn't look good on you after a week of saying it was all legal?
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And then some would like to eliminate the UN for all its flaws figuring that international anarchy is much preferable.
 
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CDNBear said:
Again, we aren't talking about morality.

I can't be any clearer then saying on moral grounds I agree. On legal grounds I do not. But then again, I don't rule my life, formulate opinion or make my judgments on emotions.

I've dismissed just about everything out of the UN regarding Israel, for years.
And no you didn't, but that ok, I know how you work.
I'll remain consistent and still ignore the UN. Since legal experst from around the globe have pretty much stated otherwise, long before the UN joined in. I think I'm in pretty good company.


You can do your impression of an electrocuted ape or rest anything you want on your chin. They only people in this thread that have acted like spasmodic primates, have been using nothing but conjecture, from the get go.

If you want to swallow what comes from the UN, go right ahead. Be forewarned, I will keep this in mind the next time I see you condemn the UN for something.
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You're right about it being a question of morals. Morals are what keep one people from murdering another. They're pretty much needed when ways of life differ. They're what set man apart from animals. Some people give a damn. Some don't.
 
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Machjo said:
And then some would like to eliminate the UN for all its flaws figuring that international anarchy is much preferable.
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Or how about it's replaced by a truly objective body, with real teeth?

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You're right about it being a question of morals. Morals are what keep one people from murdering another.
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Laws do that too.

They're pretty much needed when ways of life differ. They're what set man apart from animals. Some people give a damn. Some don't.
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Agreed.
 
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Unless your country is in a constant fear of elimination and destruction by those who are in no way, except in sheer numbers measure up to you, you don't know what you are talking about.

Unless you believe that being ruled by a "religion" that was funded by an illiterate terrorist is better than democracy, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Unless any Arab nation matches or bests Israel in ANY field of endeavour, (except, of course killing innocent people) you have a case to oppose Israel.
 
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Unless your country is in a constant fear of elimination and destruction by those who are in no way, except in sheer numbers measure up to you, you don't know what you are talking about.
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There isn't a nation on this planet that isn't under that threat. It's a worn out cry at best.
 
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Unless your country is in a constant fear of elimination and destruction by those who are in no way, except in sheer numbers measure up to you, you don't know what you are talking about.

Unless you believe that being ruled by a "religion" that was funded by an illiterate terrorist is better than democracy, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Unless any Arab nation matches or bests Israel in ANY field of endeavour, (except, of course killing innocent people) you have a case to oppose Israel.

Otherwise, shut the Hell up!
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Thanks for your two cents. Here's your two cents change.
 
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petros said:
PROVE IT! Quote me if you can.
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I'm not wasting my time so you can argue semantics and peripheral BS.

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Something I can agree with, Bear... we haven't been agreing on much lately. Are you feeling OK?
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I'm feeling fine, top of the world actually. Brought home 20 Channel Cats in the last two days, 10 of them over 20lbs a piece. Not to mention watching people squirm.

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Laws prevent murder like locks prevent B&E. All they do is keep an honest man honest.
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This is true. But if laws get broken, we have courts to deal with it.

I have yet to see the ICC validate any complaint brought to it by independent parties, regarding Israel. Until then, we're talking about moral issues, not law.

When I start seeing people stating the immorality of Israeli actions, in stead of the usual drivel of war crimes and crimes against humanity. You'll see me sing a different tune.

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There isn't a nation on this planet that isn't under that threat. It's a worn out cry at best.
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Funny, I've never left the house and had the thought a rocket might kill me, my loved ones or destroy my home.
 
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YukonJack said:
Unless your country is in a constant fear of elimination and destruction by those who are in no way, except in sheer numbers measure up to you, you don't know what you are talking about.

Unless you believe that being ruled by a "religion" that was funded by an illiterate terrorist is better than democracy, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Unless any Arab nation matches or bests Israel in ANY field of endeavour, (except, of course killing innocent people) you have a case to oppose Israel.
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Are you ignoring the fact that Israel's current borders extend beyond those recognized by the UN? Seeing that it is occupying territory beyond its borders, it has shown itself to be expansionist, thus a threat to its neihbours.

And no I'm not excusing Palestinian attacks against innocent Israeli civilians; I'm just saying that even in accordance with international law Israel occupies land that does not belong to Israel and certainly Israeli soldiers on that soil are legitimate targets for those fighting for their land back. Through granted those who kill innocent Israeli civilians are equally culpable of a crime. I'm just saying it goes both ways.
 
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Funny, I've never left the house and had the thought a rocket might kill me, my loved ones or destroy my home.
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The cold war never bothered you at all eh?

I'm not wasting my time so you can argue semantics and peripheral BS.
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So you can't eh? Figuires I know you too well. LOL
 
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petros said:
The cold war never bothered you at all eh?
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Not in th eslaightest, but then again, I didn't think there was a commie boogieman around every corner.

I leave that sort of nonsense to the perpetually paranoid.

So you can't eh? Figuires I know you too well. LOL
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Can't and won't are two totally different words petros, would you like me to post the definitions? It would take me a fraction of the time and less energy to do that, then sift through 20 pages of posts, just so you can argue what you actually meant. It is I that knows you all to well.
 
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