Human evolution has stopped, says scientist

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Professor Steve Jones, a British scientist at University College London says that human evolution has stopped. People living one million years from now will resemble us as we are now.

Evolution stops here: Future Man will look the same, says scientist


By David Derbyshire
07th October 2008
Daily Mail

For centuries, writers have attempted to predict the future of the human race.

Some have argued that we are destined to evolve into super-beings, others that we are turning into dim-witted goblins incapable of anything more demanding than watching TV.

But according to a leading geneticist, both visions are wrong because human evolution has ground to a halt.



From ape to modern man: A leading geneticist told a lecture human evolution has ground to a halt

Professor Steve Jones, of University College London, says the forces driving evolution - such as natural selection and genetic mutation - no longer play an important role in our lives.

The people living one million years from now, should Man survive, will resemble modern-day humans.




'We now know so much about the process of evolution that we can make some predictions about what might happen in future,' said Professor Jones in a lecture on Monday.

Evolution is driven by natural selection and mutation.

Genetic mutations create traits which, if helpful, give individuals a competitive edge over rivals.

For most of human history, life was so tough that huge numbers of children died before they reached adolescence.

'In ancient times, half our children would have died by the age of 20.

'Now, in the Western world, 98 per cent of them are surviving to 21,' he continued.

In a harsh environment where people are competing to survive, natural selection is a potent force.

So in Ice Age Britain, a mutation which gave a baby more resilience against the cold or famine also gave it a strong competitive edge, making it more likely to survive and pass its genes on to others.

But in a modern world of central heating and plenty of food, the same mutation is far less likely to give a child any advantage.


Fewer older fathers means fewer genetic 'mistakes'

Professor Jones argues that mutation is also slowing down because of a drop in the number of older fathers, whose sperm deteriorates and contains more genetic 'mistakes'.

He added: 'In the old days, you would find one powerful man having hundreds of children.'



Who's the daddy? Moulay Ismail, King of Morocco (reigned, 1672-1727), is said to have fathered 888 children


He mentions the famously fertile king, Moulay Ismail of Morocco, who died in the 18th century, and is said to have fathered 888 children. To achieve this feat, Ismail is believed to have copulated with an average of about 1.2 women a day over 60 years.

The professor continues: 'The evolution exam has two papers. Most people pass the first, for they stay alive until they grow up. The second is harder, for candidates must reproduce. The more children they have, the higher their marks.

'Men can score higher than women, for females are limited in their success by the mechanics of pregnancy, while males are free to spread their sperm to a multitude, if they can find them.

Some societies still turn on that simple biological fact. Mohamed bin Laden, father of Osama of that ilk, had 22 wives and 53 children, while his famous son had, last time they were counted, five wives and 22 children.

'Plenty of his henchmen now have no chance of finding a mate and will die without issue.

'The Irish were much the same. A fifth of the men of Donegal share the same Y chromosome - the mark of male descent - and trace ancestry from the same man. In Old Erin's glorious days, marital bliss was an exception.

'Turlough O'Donnell, who died in 1423, had 18 sons. He descended from the High Kings of Ireland, who themselves sprang from a fifth-century bin Laden, a warlord called Niall of the Nine Hostages.

'Niall's chromosome proves how, for centuries, just the mightiest passed on their genes. The weak and the powerful are now closer than they were. The important figure is how much inequality there is in the number of offspring.

'Differences in death rates and sexual success can be combined into a single figure. Across the world, it is in decline. India's cultures range from tribal hill peoples to affluent
urbanites, together with millions of peasants, who live as mediaeval Europeans once did.


'Natural selection has lost nine-tenths of its power among the Indian middle classes, compared to their tribal ancestors. The same is true when we compare modern Britain with our predecessors in Darwin's day.'


Professor Steve Jones believes human evolution is over



Decline of 'random change'


A third factor - randomness - is also an important ingredient in evolution.

Small populations which are isolated can change at random as genes are accidentally lost, he said.

But as the world's population becomes increasingly connected, the opportunity for random change is dwindling.

'Almost everywhere, inbreeding is becoming less common. In Britain, one marriage in 50 or so is between members of a different ethnic group, and the country is one of the most sexually open in the world,' Professor Jones added.

'Humans are 10,000 times more common than we should be, according to the rules of the animal kingdom, and we have agriculture to thank for that.

'Without farming, the world population would probably have reached half a million by now – about the size of the population of Glasgow.

'History is made in bed, but nowadays the beds are getting closer together. We are mixing into a global mass, and the future is brown.

'So, if you are worried about what Utopia is going to be like, don't. At least in the developed world, and at least for the time being, you are living in it now.'

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This guy hasn't the first clue wtf he's talking about.

Sure most everybody in the world isn't having 20 some odd women and 100 or so kids, and sure we're all not inbreeding as he may want us to do..... but it doesn't stop there.... cripes.

One factor he didn't seem to mention was marriages between different races and their offspring, where they are a combination of both traits of both races..... genes are continually changing.... just not in the way he seems to want them to.

What about the effects of pollution and climate change? We're not going to be adapting to those effects?

What about all this talk about Indigo Children, etc?

What about our brains/minds when it comes to the amount of information and education now available at our fingertips via the internet and the continuing technological advancements?

There is more then one way to evolve and there are way too many factors at play in the world for him to simply say we've stopped evolving....... either we continually evolve, or we never started to in the first place....
 

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There is more then one way to evolve and there are way too many factors at play in the world for him to simply say we've stopped evolving....... either we continually evolve, or we never started to in the first place....

I'm not impressed at all by the conclusions of this article.

Saying humans will look the same in a million years is laughable. How could he know such a thing? There are far too many variables to make any kind of realist prediction for that far into the future. A million years gives us PLENTY of time to start fooling around with our genes thanks to technology and who knows where that could lead us...?

I understand the main point that natural selection isn't as active as it was because of sociological and technological changes. But natural selection will catch up sooner or later. Global pandemics can easily decimate humanity, especially in our increasingly globalized world. Some people will be genetically predisposed to survive while others not. Isn't that natural selection?
 

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evolution hasn't stopped, it's just not going to favour the fittest any more, at least not in the physical sense of the word
 

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It won't be long before we start genetically modifying humans. I'd say we are at the beginning, not the end.
 

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It says, "Allah is - Al Khaliq" (The Creator)
It also says, "Allah is - Al Bari" (The Evolver)


For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:


It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.



[Holy Quran 39:42]




And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.



[Holy Quran 24:45]



The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important, He can change anything as He Wills - even today

of http://scienceislam.com/evolution_creation.php
 

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I wouldn't say it's over...I think it's potentially slowed down to a grind. Our brain allows us to develop technological fixes instead of biological and genetic shifts to adapt. As Herm mentioned, the strongest no longer out survive in the sense that they aren't the only ones passing on genetic material. From a genetics perspective that just means more hybridization, and homogeneity in the human population.

It's not at all a certainty that the trend will continue for the next million years...
 

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To argue that evolution has stopped for humans is to argue that there are now *no* selection pressures on humans, which in effect is to claim that there's no differential reproductive success, everybody survives long enough to pass on their genes to the next generation and has the same number of offspring. That's so obviously not true I can't see how anyone who understands evolution could make such a claim. It's true that technology can shield us from many of the more obvious selection pressures we used to face, like predation and certain diseases, and a lot of people now survive to reproduce who wouldn't have without modern technology, but that's beside the point. Differential reproductive success still occurs; that and time is all it takes.
 

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It says, "Allah is - Al Khaliq" (The Creator)
It also says, "Allah is - Al Bari" (The Evolver)


For the Muslim there is no need for separation between religion and science. It is understood from the Quran, revealed over 1,400 years ago, that there is both; "Creation" and "Evolution." And in both instances, it is only Allah who is "Able to do all things." In fact, it was the Muslim scientists, more than 1,000 years ago, who set the stage for the advancement of learning, technology and disciplines in science that we know today.

Allah has explained how He created everything in the universe and brought all life out of water. He created humans from earth (not monkeys) and there is no need to attempt fabrications of "links" to the animal world in Islam.

The Christian Bible says that Adam & Eve were both created here on Earth, less than 10,000 years ago. The Quran says that Adam & Eve were created in Heaven, and NOT on Earth. When they disobeyed God, He expelled them from Heaven, down to Earth.

Muslims believe that souls are assigned to humans 40 days after the human inception. The Quran says that angels retrieve human souls on two occasions. One occasion is when humans die. The other occasion is every time humans fall asleep. When humans wakeup, the angels release those souls back to them:


It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that did not die, during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back, but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.



[Holy Quran 39:42]




And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.



[Holy Quran 24:45]



The Quran has set a precedent 14 centuries before modern science, explaining in simple and direct terms about his "creation" of animals and their various functions and then assures us it is He who has the Power over everything. This statement includes the fact Allah can if He Wills, reshape and alter his creation as He Chooses. There is clear evidence within many species of alteration and changes within the species. However, there is no concrete evidence to support a cross over in development from one type to another, such as reptiles turning into birds or alligators turning into cows. The statements made in Quran are quite clear when Allah tells us of having brought forth other life forms and then destroying or replacing them with others. This again, does not imply evolution in the sense of one type becoming or changing into another.

Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.

Speaking of Charles Darwin, he was only an armature naturalist and had only observed the finches (birds) on the Galapagos Islands for the first time in the mid 1850s. He noticed that on each island the birds had different shaped beaks according to the type of food available on their particular island. For this reason, he assumed, the birds had progressed over millions of years and only the hardiest of the species had survived the climate and vegetation changes. However, this is totally inaccurate and was dismissed as a mere humor in a TV series on the educational channel in October of 1998. According to the scientists’ discoveries in that very same year, the effects of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino, the climate on these same exact islands had drastically changed in a single year within a number of months. And to their surprise, the eggs of the finches on each island hatched open producing birds with beaks already altered to accommodate the changes of their environment.

The commentator even said this shoots Darwin's theory completely down and he laughed.

There is no DNA research pointing to a connection between apes and humans as was supposed by the scientists and those who had financed them over the years. In fact, the barnyard pig is closer to humans in many aspects, than a monkey or a gorilla. Consider the fact, doctors use the skin from pigs to replace needed tissue on burn victims and the famous movie actor, John Wayne had a pig's heart valve installed in his own heart in a 1977 operation to save his life. It worked, too - until his smoking caused him to die of cancer.

The rational approach to the whole subject is rather simple. Just as He is able to Create the universe and bring forth life, it is simple also for Him to produce as many different types of forms of life as He Wills. No problem for Him, after all - He is the Creator and He is the Shaper. And most important, He can change anything as He Wills - even today

of http://scienceislam.com/evolution_creation.php

All of you religious types can argue with each other over what god made who, and who's
god is real, and where adam and eve started, or didn't, you remind me of companies argueing over your merchandise, you all have a different story, and you all can't be right, yet you all claim to be, so as far as I am concerned you are all 'fake'. Your silly religious
decisions have nothing to do with 'real science', and never will, you can copy our science, then claim it was part of your religion, but we arent' buying that crap.
You live in your world, and leave us to live in ours, this is our earth, and you can dream
about your heaven, or whereever it is you think you will be going, 'bon voyage'.

in the meantime we will deal with 'REALITY', on our
earth, and our earth is ours, and has nothing to do with any of your 'fantasy' gods, we
will do fine here looking after ourselves and each other, on our own.
 

Liberalman

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Humans are constantly evolving.

It’s only surgical procedures that are keeping them the same.

I hear of cases of babies being born with tales that are removed at birth so they will conform to societies standards of what humans should look like.

Internally humans are changing to cope with environmental changes.

With ever increasing technologies in personal human transportation devices legs and arms will disappear.

If you could go a thousand years into the future humans will be radically different.
 

ahmadabdalrhman

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All of you religious types can argue with each other over what god made who, and who's
god is real, and where adam and eve started, or didn't, you remind me of companies argueing over your merchandise, you all have a different story, and you all can't be right, yet you all claim to be, so as far as I am concerned you are all 'fake'. Your silly religious
decisions have nothing to do with 'real science', and never will, you can copy our science, then claim it was part of your religion, but we arent' buying that crap.
You live in your world, and leave us to live in ours, this is our earth, and you can dream
about your heaven, or whereever it is you think you will be going, 'bon voyage'.

in the meantime we will deal with 'REALITY', on our
earth, and our earth is ours, and has nothing to do with any of your 'fantasy' gods, we
will do fine here looking after ourselves and each other, on our own.

First of all, please forgive my tardiness. I meant to reply much sooner, but have been busy.

So, in light of all the evidence for a beginning of the space-time universe, the cause must be outside the space-time universe. When God is suggested as the cause, atheism is quick to ask the age old question,"Then who made God? If everything needs a cause, then God needs a cause too!" In one of my previous posts I mentioned the Law of Causality. The very foundation of science. The search for causes, and that search is based on our consistent observation that everything that has a beginning has a cause. In fact, the question "Who made God?" points out how seriously we all take the Law of Causality. It's taken for granted that virtually everything needs a cause. So why doesn't God need a cause? Because atheism's contention misunderstands the Law of Causality. The law does not say that everything has a cause, it says that everything that came to be needs a cause. God did not come to be. No one made God. God is unmade. As an eternal being, God did not have a beginning, so he doesn't need a cause.

"But wait!" you might protest "if you can have an eternal God, then I can have an eternal universe. After all, if the universe is eternal then it did not have cause." Okay, it is logically possible that the universe is eternal and did not have a cause. We've got only two choices, either the universe is eternal or something outside of the universe is eternal. What's my reasoning for this? Since something undeniably exists today, then something must have have alwayz existed. Again, either the universe of whatever caused the universe.

That's why it can be believed that God alwayz existed. Because if he's the first cause then we can rationally believe(thru observation of the amazing universe) that he must be:

1. timeless, nonspatial, and immaterial -- since the first cause created time, space and matter the first cause must be outside of time, space and matter. In other words, without limits, infinite, and self existent.
2. unimaginably powerful, to create the entire universe out of nothing.
3. supremely intelligent, to create the universe in such amazing precision (I'm going to touch up on this in my next post.)
4. personal, in order to choose to convert a state of nothingness into the time-space universe, an impersonal force has no ability to make such choices.:smile:

then what about Noah Ark at Gudi ????

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tolba_hesham@yahoo.com
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Holy Books give account of the perished nations to its adherents and stress the reasons behind their punishment, mentioning such stories is just a warning against receding back on the straight path and rejecting God’s percepts. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The problem with the Holy Book is that it was written long time after its revelation, sometimes the scripts inserted their opinions, and sometimes they copied from the ancient nations heritages. There are a lot of evidence to the human tampering in the Holy Book. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']We don’t mean to hurt any one nor do we mean to make a comparison between the Holy Books, all we mean here is to prove that human tampering found its way in the Torah and thus it is not reliable in many parts as we are not sure what is divine and what is human.[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Also, we want to prove for non-Moslems that the Holy Quran is God’s word, we will depend on the most recent discoveries. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']There has been disagreement between the Torah and the Quran as regard the place where the ship finally rested. Unlike the Holy Book , The Holy Quran mentions eights facts that were revealed more than 1400 years ago and these facts are completely in agreement with the newly discovered facts. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Foremost among these is that the Holy Quran promised that the ship will be left for those who have eyes with witch they could see and hearts with which they could understand. God says in the Holy Quran what means: And indeed, We have left this as a sign, then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)? ( AL-kumr:15)[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']It is really a challenge that time and technology proved true ,that challenge is correct. The Holy Quran, unlike the previous holy books states clearly “the remaining on Noah’s Ark”, God says what means” And indeed, We have left this as a sign, then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)? This promise has come true as the remains of Noah’s Ark and its stamp(mark) was found on the Kurdish mountains, south of Turkey, at a distance of 8 Km from the Iraqi borders at the hands of scientific team headed by Ron Wyatt and David Fasold in 1978. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']There are eight important discoveries regarding Noah’s Ark, which are completely in agreement with the Holy Qu’ran: [/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] (1)The location of the ship [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Holy Quran, when reciting stories and unlike the Holy Book, doesn’t give much interest on the locations or numbers as it focuses only on the spiritual dimensions , the moral lessons and setting the exemplary but in the recount of Noah’s Ark, we will find the name of the place in which the ship landed or settled mentioned in the Holy Quran. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Before we read the report about Noah’s ark that came after long study and used the most advanced technological tools at the hands of the most celebrated scientists , we would like to refer to the opinions of the present Torah. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]Rasheed, the discoverer of the Ark
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The present Torah says the location of the Ark is Ararat Mountain [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] The Aramaic Torah( Targums) says the location is JUDI MT [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] The ancient Babylonians literature , The Genesis Rabba and Josephus followed the Aramaic opinion. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Here the Holy Quran in one of its miraculous verse corrects claims of the Hebrew Torah and settles down the problem, among the most important features of the Holy Quran is that it corrects many of the mistakes that the scripts of the Holy Book committed, be it intentionally or unintentionally. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Holy Quran watches over the Holy Books in many of the scientific and historical facts, so the Holy Quran sides with the Aramaic text against the Hebrew text and then comes the scientific archeological discoveries to prove the statement of the Holy Quran. [/FONT]
A picture taken by a plane .
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']In 1848, a big earthquake hit a flat area in Judi are in the south of Turkey and as a result it made it rise and a stamp of a huge ship appeared . This place was owned by a farmer known by the name “Rasheed” ,who told a dishonest journalist about his discovery. Wishing to compliment the Torah adherents , the journalist wrote his report stating that the farmer found half of the ship submerged in the ice of the mount of Ararat just as the present Torah states, this made Anglican American explorers go to the place to study it but found nothing. Matters remained as so till some pictures were taken for the location in 1959, in these pictures the stamp of the ship was clear and these pictures found its way into the American press, So a large team of scientists under the leadership of Renah Nourbrgmn, an American writer and John Van Deman, a well-known Tv Anglican proponent , went to the place; they, unfortunately, searched for wood remains, they committed a big mistake because they did not know that that such wood must have silicified in the course of time, so they left the place and wrote a report saying that it is nothing but a geological formation. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Ra’sheed, the first one to have discovered the arc [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The historical fact is compatible with Quran for two reasons: [/FONT]
The name of the documentary Film
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']First: there can’t be any remains or fossils for Noah Ark, as the present Hebrew Torah claims, at Arrat mountain because of the volcano that erupted in that mountain in 1840 and this was affirmed by a Russian scientific study that was reported by Antrafax News Agency in which the Cosmopoisk scientific research center says “. What could be ship wood was nothing but silicified remaining of plants that the volcanic emissions made. This debunks the misinformation that the previous scientific team faked to agree with the distorted Torah passage. They even brought forth some pieces of wood to support their false allegation which-as we have shown- proved to be a hoax .These pieces of information were taken from a documentary film under the name“The Discovery o Noah’s ark”[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Second: A scientific American team actually found the stamp of the ship on “Judi ” mountain [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']2- The size of the ship [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Holy Quran uses the Arabic word” Foulk” when referring to Noah’s Ark. [/FONT]
A picture of the site of the Ark on Judi MT Compare the size of the people to the ship
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']This word was mentioned eight times in the Holy Quran. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The word “Foulk” means: [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] a)The round place that rises or emerges from the earth. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] b)large orbit [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] c)A huge ship---- so the Quranic word” Foulk” is the most suitable when talking about this ship; its length reaches as far as 550 feet and this is the biggest ship man ever built. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']3-The shape of the ship:[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Here, the Torah gives wrong description of the ship as it states that the ship length is six times bigger than its width, according to this calculations this ship must have been like a rectangle, according to hydrodynamics a ship with such specifications can’t stand high waves as its front part must have been flat. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]A picture for Noah Ark as imagined by the scribe of the New Testament, the ship has a rectangular shape
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The holy Quran gives the ship the name “Foulk” which means a huge ship, the word is repeated eight times in Quran and in one time the Quran uses the word “ship” only to emphasize the fact that it was a real ship with the same known facts about ships. We can also conclude from the Holy verses that this ship must have doors. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']According to new testament, the ship looked like the Ark of covenant and this means that the ship front end was not streamlined not pointed, it was rectangular shape and this couldn’t have helped the ship if it had been with such specifications. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The Holy Quran states that the ship was built by God’s guidance [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']God says in the Holy Quran what means “And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration”(Hud:37), the holy verse implies that Noah followed God’s orders and guidance in constructing the ship and that he was not the real designer. Strikingly enough is that we read in the ancient heritage of the red Indians that the ship was built under God’s inspiration.[/FONT][FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Also ,the Apocrypha says that the angels built the ship for Noah and that could be the exegesis of the verse” And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration” [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']The documentary film about the ship found in the south of Turkey affirms that mathematical constants such as (PI) and (PhI)and other laws were used in building the ship, these are the same constants that arrange the seeds of the flowers , the horns of animals and the sea waves in balance. How could Noah reached such laws?!!!! These could be the meaning of the Quranic previous verse “And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration”(Hud:37)Unlike the Holy Book, the Holy Quran is silent over some other unnecessary facts such as the measurements of the length and the width and the number of the floors in the ship. The miraculous building of the ship that was revealed to Noah was discovered by modern discoveries; the documentary film states that there was a large cavity at the bottom of the ship that helped in ventilating the ship and to suppress the impact of the like mountain waves that were hitting the ship – this kept the ship balanced in such high waves otherwise it could have been drowned, building the ship is such a miraculous way helped it though no metals , sails or pilot to keepit safe and sound in such high mountains. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'](5) The resting anchorage of the ship [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']When I saw the picture of the place that carries the stamp of the ship, I found it a little slope. “ The Holy Quran is so accurate in choosing its words.” I thought. The Holy Quran says that the ship rested flat or evenly , no implication in the Holy verse of any kind of inclination. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']On hearing the witness of the Kurdish farmer in whose farm the ship was found, this is misunderstanding was settled down because he said that the land where the ship appeared was flat or even but owing to the earthquake that hit the place , this mass of the ship rose making the ship side a little slope. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'](6) The ship anchors [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']David Fasold says in The documentary film that a lot of man-made anchors were found in some nearby villages that are located at a height of 6000 feet above the sea level and at a distance of miles from the actual location of the ship. David Fasold comment can be correlated with the Holy verse that says “And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration”, these anchors took the shape of a rectangle and at the top there is a hole in which ropes were inserted, these were similar to the anchors used in ancient time, some of which are kept in the Lebanon coast. A lot of these anchors can be seen at the Mediterranean coast. It is observed that the Ark anchors are much bigger and much heavier. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']7- The ship’s planks [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]The use of the Pi And Phi in building the ship
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']God says in the Holy Quran what means “And We carried him on a (ship) made of planks and nails”[/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']On studying the material out of which the ship was built, it has been found that the ship ‘s main material is planks, there is an agreement between the Holy Quran and the Holy Book that the ship was made out of wood. The word”wood” could mean huge branches of trees but the Holy Quran, unlike the other Holy Books, stresses that the ship was made out of planks. These planks did not survived the effect of time owing to the silica particles that took the place of wood tissue ,yet the wood still keeps its shape, this is a geological fact that is known as selicificatoin. Those silicified planks about which the Holy Quran speaks were found in the location of the ship. It is worthy mentioning here that no silicified planks could be found here or there on the face of the earth because it must have made by the human being ,I.e, any silicified planks must have been made by man long anterior it changed into silicified planks. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]A picture for the anchor of the ship
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']8-The ship rivets [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Among the most important findings that were found in the surrounding of the ship by RON WYATT in the end of the 1970’s of the 20th century are the huge rivets, these had undergone some changes because of silica that reacted with these material of these rivets.RON WYATT used a new technology to find these nails, he used metal detectors that looks much like mine detector, they found metal sediment inside the walls of the ship, they visited the place again in 1984 and took a sample of these sediments and conducted some experiments on it in highly advanced laboratory and the result affirms the fact that these are man-made metals, these findings is in agreement with what the Holy Quran mentioned regarding building this ship more that 1400 years ago, the Holy Quran says “And We carried him on a (ship) made of planks and nails (Hud:41) [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Though this story occurs at the Holy Book and many other ancient heritages , they have not mentioned this important part which the Holy Quran has mentioned it. [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']David Fasold used a device called generator Molecular frequency to detect the places of the rivets, the result was amazing as it has proved that the ship was highly structured, it showed many planks joined together like squares joined together with rivets. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]The ship undergoing imbalance in case of no cavity​
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']To answer those who claim that the man can’t have known metal at such an ancient time , we say this is impossible and needs evidence , there are a lot of evidence to the fact that man have known netals and used it.The American science magazine states that man discovered metals and could use it efficiently (Sept.2005 Number, P.49)[/FONT]

A silicified plank from the ship


[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]Another sanctified plank from the ship, it is flat as Quran says, not cylindrical like tree branches like Torah says​




[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif] The effect of the ship planks left over the stamp of the Ark on Judi MT[/FONT]​



[FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]A fossilized rivet in the body of the ship [/FONT]


[FONT='Times New Roman',serif]The metal rivets changed into fossilized rivets[/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER]


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[COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif]The metal detector is used in detecting metals [/FONT][/COLOR]


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[COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma,sans-serif][SIZE=2]The remains of the silicified planks [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT][B][FONT='Times New Roman','serif']These are not only the eight findings albeit they are the most important, they also have found excrement of the animals that turned into fossils (coprolites) in addition to that they have found pallets.( for further information review :[/FONT][/B][FONT='Times New Roman','serif']wwwNoaharksearch.com and wwwAnchor.com) [/FONT][/LEFT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']I wonder how a ship like this without sails or an engine or even a pilot could cleave asunder its way among waves so fast and high like huge mountain?!!!! [/FONT]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']How could its riders survive the extreme cold , it must have been so dark and cold because the sun rays must have been blocked for a long time because of the heavy clouds. [/FONT]

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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']this from guide of the quran true[/FONT]
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