Scientists: Earth May Exist in Giant Cosmic Bubble

Dexter Sinister

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It's even stranger than that. What we see as the universe may itself be just one of about 10^500 giant cosmic bubbles in a vast landscape of different realities called the megaverse or the multiverse, depending on who you read. That's what the equations of string theory seem to suggest. I can't pretend to understand them, but that's what some of the people who *do* understand them are saying.
 

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I remember reading something too that there may be more to the universe than the 4 dimensions we perceive, and that computing 10 or 21 dimensions with Grand Unification Theory is mathematically correct, and it seems any other combination of dimensions renders GUT and Standard Model nonrenormalizable.
 

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The universe almost certainly has more dimensions then we can manipulate (3) or perceive (4). Carl Sagan has some interesting demonstrations of what exactly that would look like.
 

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Are you sure the quote shouldn't read?
"Earth may be trapped in an abnormal bubble of space-time that is particularly devoid of 'intelligent' matter."
 

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This is something that I somewhat believe, depending on who explains it and how.

It certainly relates to what some other people have as an outer body experience through various practices, including the couple I had a few years ago:



^ As this explains in a basic nutshell the common concept of this, I also see it as a very blown up version of a combination of Atoms..... sure we have a basic explination of what makes up atoms in our universe, but what makes up those things which make up an atom..... and what makes up those things? And so on? Eventually you will come right back to the start of the question and answer it with your own existence.

I like to think of it as "The Other Side" ~ The other side being the inside of an Atom, and our current existence and what we know of the universe being the outside of an atom.... or more accurately the inside.... if that makes any sense.



^ First experimental image showing internal atomic structures.

Looks similar doesn't it?

As we live and function in this existence, we are viewing from one side of this realm, while when we die or move on from what we currently know, we then see things from the inside, or perhaps both sides.

It's a tad complicated to explain, as no matter which side you talk about, it is both the inside and outside at the same time.

Speaking of time, time is also subjective within our current existence as we know it day in and day out compared to outside of this current life. What we understand as hours, months, years, centuries, eons, etc.... could very well only be a fraction of time in comparison to the life of the atom.... AKA: the bubble our universe exists in..... the Atom/Universe was created from the big bang as they say, and that atom/universe is extinguished when the big squish occurs, if that ever does..... then another Big bang occurs and creates another universe/atom.

So in a sense, when those druggy hippies say that we're all one and connected to everything in the universe, in a sense it very well could be true...... just not in the exact sense most would think.

Our existence creates the balance of the existence of the atom, and vice versa, therefore life is eternal.

Good ol' Albert also once said that he did believe there was an afterlife.... or more accurately, something beyond this life...... as energy is always constant.... when energy goes from one object, it has to go somewhere else.

Meh.... I had a more clearer explination written up somewhere a few years back, but this is only one part of what I collectively believe is the purpose and reason for our existence.

Call it BS if you like, but it's no more BS then any other concept currently out there that can not be proven.
 

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Good ol' Albert also once said that he did believe there was an afterlife.... or more accurately, something beyond this life...... as energy is always constant.... when energy goes from one object, it has to go somewhere else.

he must have been under the influence of drugs at the time since "energy remains constant" comes a LONG way from proving an afterlife. The energy from a brain becomes heat during fermentation, and energy for the worms that eat it.
 

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he must have been under the influence of drugs at the time since "energy remains constant" comes a LONG way from proving an afterlife. The energy from a brain becomes heat during fermentation, and energy for the worms that eat it.

I've already went through a few threads already explaining this over and over again, I'm not about to do it all again..... this is what I believe and understand at present, deal with it.
 

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Good ol' Albert also once said that he did believe there was an afterlife....
Got a reference for that? He never said any such thing as far as I know, and I've read quite a bit by and about him, including his autobiographical notes. Something like that I'm pretty sure would have stuck in my memory, it's so much at variance with everything else I know about him. By any reasonable definition, he was an atheist, and was always quite clear about that. Science often uses god as a metaphor for the laws of nature, which is what Einstein was doing when he famously said, "God does not play dice with the universe." (Actually, he does, but that's another subject.) Consider this: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the word so far as our science can reveal it." That's from a collection of Einstein's writings called Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by his former secretary, Helen Dukas, which I have on the desk in front of me.
 

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Got a reference for that? He never said any such thing as far as I know, and I've read quite a bit by and about him, including his autobiographical notes.

That was something that crossed my path several years ago on something like TLC, Discovery or History channel, it was a black and white interview and translation over dubbed, if I can find it again, I'll let you know.

From what I knew of him, which is probably less then what you know, he wasn't all that religious, but he still said during that interview about the potiential of something after this known existence..... which is why you should have read the whole part of that where I expressed the details "or more accurately, something beyond this life...... "

Just quickly looking....

And since I`ve got other things to do today, I'm not about to spend a lot of time on it:

All that came up were a bunch of other quotes of him attacking "Traditional Religion" or Gods, along with rewards and punishments after death..... but nothing that contradicted what I was going on about.

I'll have to look more later perhaps. But the footage I watch was in his early years I believe, and I don't see how I would have understood it completely opposite of what was actually said. That would just be silly.

But anything is possible after 4 or 5 years, who knows.

Something like that I'm pretty sure would have stuck in my memory, it's so much at variance with everything else I know about him. By any reasonable definition, he was an atheist, and was always quite clear about that. Science often uses god as a metaphor for the laws of nature, which is what Einstein was doing when he famously said, "God does not play dice with the universe." (Actually, he does, but that's another subject.) Consider this: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the word so far as our science can reveal it." That's from a collection of Einstein's writings called Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by his former secretary, Helen Dukas, which I have on the desk in front of me.

Indeed, but that is focusing towards a God.... I don't believe there is a God either... I don't believe there is a heaven or hell, a Satan or a Jesus..... well, there very well could have been a Jesus, but that's a totally other subject.

But the quote above doesn't contradict what I explained..... I used the term "Afterlife" but I wasn't refering to the typical religious afterlife..... just literally, an existence after this in which we currently know very little of at present..... but in fewer words.
 

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frrom what I understand about thr large hadron collider is that part of it's purpose is to find/discover infintismal dimentions - so small only a graviton can enter. Can someone tell me what the use of such a discovery would be- this is very interesting stuff
 

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With science its best not to ask what the use may be, because you don't know the uses until the test is done.

Things that people once said were stupid and frivalous waste of money for R&D include replacement materials for Ivory Billiard Balls and building a machine to bend electron streams.

It was a bit later that the full uses of Plastic and such things as televisions, monitors and oscilliscopes became better known.
 

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...you should have read the whole part of that where I expressed the details "or more accurately, something beyond this life...... ".
I did. It would be entirely inconsistent with everything I know of Einstein for him to have said anything like that, at least in the sense of meaning there's an afterlife for humans. He readily conceded that we did not, and could not, know everything, so in that sense there's more than we can perceive in this life, but that's the only context in which it would have made sense for him to say that.

For instance:

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls."
-Albert Einstein, from The World as I See It, page 5, published in 1999 by The Citadel Press.

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
-Albert Einstein in a letter to a Baptist pastor in 1953, cited in Albert Einstein, the Human Side, page 39.

And in the same book on the next page, from a letter he wrote in 1921, we find this: "The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."

In other words, he believed this life is all we get, there's nothing beyond this life for us.
 

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I did. It would be entirely inconsistent with everything I know of Einstein for him to have said anything like that, at least in the sense of meaning there's an afterlife for humans. He readily conceded that we did not, and could not, know everything, so in that sense there's more than we can perceive in this life, but that's the only context in which it would have made sense for him to say that.

For instance:

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls."
-Albert Einstein, from The World as I See It, page 5, published in 1999 by The Citadel Press.

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
-Albert Einstein in a letter to a Baptist pastor in 1953, cited in Albert Einstein, the Human Side, page 39.

And in the same book on the next page, from a letter he wrote in 1921, we find this: "The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."

In other words, he believed this life is all we get, there's nothing beyond this life for us.

I guess that's how you could interpret that..... in one way. Talking about God, or the immortality of the individual is one thing.... but I see nothing there in regards to nothing being there for us beyond this life...... that's not even what I was personally explaining anyways.

"....the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."

Either way, my beliefs are not revolved around Albert Einstein, as he wasn't perfect, nor is any other human... we all make mistakes and we all don't get things right.

Maybe I did get my quote from somewhere else or by someone else in an old B&W interview..... (Though it sure seemed like Einstein) So I will correct myself in the future in reference to Einstein until I can relocate the actual quote I heard.

However my belief on energy being constant remains, along with the rest of my belief.

To me, it doesn't matter what Einstein personally believes or not, as the above quote is based on his personal belief, not something provable.

What I am claiming isn't provable either.... but to me and others, it makes sense. Even if Einstein was live today to tell me to my face that it makes no sense to him and that I am wrong..... matters not. I couldn't care one way or another.

Not to mention that a lot has been devolped and learned since his time.... I imagine 30-40 years from now, I might change my position based on new information..... but until then.

But either way, forget what I referred to about Einstein if it doesn't make sense to you.... it wasn't the main point of what I was trying to say anyways.

If energy is constant, then that still holds true to my personal belief.... which was the main focal point of where I was going.