First beam in the LHC - accelerating science

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First beam in the LHC - accelerating science

Geneva, 10 September 2008. The first beam in the Large Hadron Collider at CERN1 was successfully steered around the full 27 kilometres of the world’s most powerful particle accelerator at 10h28 this morning. This historic event marks a key moment in the transition from over two decades of preparation to a new era of scientific discovery.
“It’s a fantastic moment,” said LHC project leader Lyn Evans, “we can now look forward to a new era of understanding about the origins and evolution of the universe.”
Starting up a major new particle accelerator takes much more than flipping a switch. Thousands of individual elements have to work in harmony, timings have to be synchronized to under a billionth of a second, and beams finer than a human hair have to be brought into head-on collision. Today’s success puts a tick next to the first of those steps, and over the next few weeks, as the LHC’s operators gain experience and confidence with the new machine, the machine’s acceleration systems will be brought into play, and the beams will be brought into collision to allow the research programme to begin.
Once colliding beams have been established, there will be a period of measurement and calibration for the LHC’s four major experiments, and new results could start to appear in around a year. Experiments at the LHC will allow physicists to complete a journey that started with Newton's description of gravity. Gravity acts on mass, but so far science is unable to explain the mechanism that generates mass. Experiments at the LHC will provide the answer. LHC experiments will also try to probe the mysterious dark matter of the universe – visible matter seems to account for just 5% of what must exist, while about a quarter is believed to be dark matter. They will investigate the reason for nature's preference for matter over antimatter, and they will probe matter as it existed at the very beginning of time.
“The LHC is a discovery machine,” said CERN Director General Robert Aymar, “its research programme has the potential to change our view of the Universe profoundly, continuing a tradition of human curiosity that’s as old as mankind itself.”
Tributes have been coming in from laboratories around the world that have contributed to today’s success.
“The completion of the LHC marks the start of a revolution in particle physics,” said Pier Oddone, Director of the US Fermilab. “We commend CERN and its member countries for creating the foundation for many nations to come together in this magnificent enterprise. We appreciate the support that DOE and NSF have provided throughout the LHC's construction. We in the US are proud to have contributed to the accelerator and detectors at the LHC, together with thousands of colleagues around the world with whom we share this quest.”
“I congratulate you on the start-up of the Large Hadron Collider,” said Atsuto Suzuki, Director of Japan’s KEK laboratory, “This is a historical moment.”
“It has been a fascinating and rewarding experience for us,” said Vinod C. Sahni, Director of India’s Raja Ramanna Centre for Advanced Technology, “I extend our best wishes to CERN for a productive run with the LHC machine in the years to come.”
“As some might say: ‘One short trip for a proton, but one giant leap for mankind!’ TRIUMF, and indeed all of Canada, is delighted to bear witness to this amazing feat,” said Nigel S. Lockyer, Director of Canada’s TRIUMF laboratory. “Everyone has been involved but CERN is to be especially congratulated for bringing the world together to embark on such an incredible adventure.”
In a visit to CERN shortly before the LHC’s start-up United Nations Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon said: “I am very honored to visit CERN, an invaluable scientific institution and a shining example what international community can achieve through joint efforts and contribution. I convey my deepest admiration to all the scientists and wish them all the success for their research for peaceful development of scientific progress.”
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2008/PR08.08E.html


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See guys? It's on now, and the world didn't end, nor will it due to this poor misunderstood machine. Have some sympathy for the collider, would you?
 

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How do we know something hasn't changed? It could be a very subtle. Maybe later on thisevening my cigarette lighter won't work, maybe tomorrow morning my chickens are blind maybe I should go finish that joint.
 

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How do we know something hasn't changed? It could be a very subtle. Maybe later on thisevening my cigarette lighter won't work, maybe tomorrow morning my chickens are blind maybe I should go finish that joint.

Hopefully your stash doesn't convert to dark matter, DB. That would be a shame.:x
 

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They've switched the machine on, but there have been no collisions yet, so if something untoward is to happen it won't occur until collisions take place.

The first particle collisions won't take place until around a week's time. All they've done in the machine is hurtle particles in opposite directions around the 17 mile long circular tunnel at 11,000 times per second.

But if a black hole is ever created, you'll be dead before you know about it, because it'll swallow the whole planet in a nanosecond.
 

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They've switched the machine on, but there have been no collisions yet, so if something untoward is to happen it won't occur until collisions take place.

The first particle collisions won't take place until around a week's time. All they've done in the machine is hurtle particles in opposite directions around the 17 mile long circular tunnel at 11,000 times per second.

But if a black hole is ever created, you'll be dead before you know about it, because it'll swallow the whole planet in a nanosecond.

Maybe it'll just swallow the Swiss..... and then years down the road, people will go see the black hole on Earth as a tourist spot, and people will talk about the Swiss like they talk about Atlantis :p

That and maybe the black hole on earth will suck out all the CO2 in the atmosphere and then the Global Warming fearmongers will be finally happy.

Then again, maybe all those black holes we know about used to be other planets that used to have civilization too, who did the exact same thing we're about to do...... then we'll know how black holes are really created..... by the destruction of an entire civilization and their planet.
 

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Maybe it'll just swallow the Swiss..... and then years down the road, people will go see the black hole on Earth as a tourist spot, and people will talk about the Swiss like they talk about Atlantis :p

That and maybe the black hole on earth will suck out all the CO2 in the atmosphere and then the Global Warming fearmongers will be finally happy.

Then again, maybe all those black holes we know about used to be other planets that used to have civilization too, who did the exact same thing we're about to do...... then we'll know how black holes are really created..... by the destruction of an entire civilization and their planet.

we know how black holes are formed
 

Praxius

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we know how black holes are formed

No, we have a theory of how they are formed. I don't remember hearing of any scientists actually witnessing a sun or other massive body turn into a black hole.

Go ahead.... take a look around to find an absolute, you won't find one. I know I haven't.... just a lot of new black holes being discovered, or scientists noticing a flash of some kind which created a black hole..... but then it goes onto tell how they're all playing around as to what actually caused it.

But I'm not about to get into this debate in this thread..... my post was supposed to be a light hearted joke, as much of it, if a black hole actually was created, wouldn't obviously be possible, now would it?

Please try not to make a debate out of an obvious joke.... things just get wierd.
 

Praxius

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If a black hole is created, and the world ends, so what? We'll all be dead, and we won't know, so what difference will it make to us?

Man I won't be able to finish Guitar Hero.... that's not cool... I'll be pissed. Wasted money on that when I could have blown all my money on a big party and OD on some trippy drugs...... I'd rather go out on my own bang, then some bang created by monkies playing with a machine they have no clue as to what the outcome will be.
 

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Well we all have October 14, 2008 when the alien mother ship arrives to look forward to.

You know what I found funny was a scientist saying...

"People are over reacting. This machine is perfectly safe. There is only a 1 in 30,000 chance of that happening."

I thought...

"Wow...I don't like those odds at all!"
 

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the 1 in 30,000 chance was referring to the chance that a black hole will be formed. The chance of any black hole eating the earth after being formed is zero. Small black holes evaporate VERY quickly.
 

Praxius

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Well we all have October 14, 2008 when the alien mother ship arrives to look forward to.

You know what I found funny was a scientist saying...

"People are over reacting. This machine is perfectly safe. There is only a 1 in 30,000 chance of that happening."

I thought...

"Wow...I don't like those odds at all!"

Indeed... those are better then the lottery.

I also saw a BBC report last night about the whole thing, and the scientists were claiming that since this test isn't anything more different then what already occurs in the universe, it should be perfectly safe....... then 5 minutes later in the report, they claim they have no idea what will happen.

So how TF do you know it's perfectly safe? :roll:
 

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the 1 in 30,000 chance was referring to the chance that a black hole will be formed. The chance of any black hole eating the earth after being formed is zero. Small black holes evaporate VERY quickly.

Ahhhh... I must have been reading the slanted version.
 

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Indeed... those are better then the lottery.

I also saw a BBC report last night about the whole thing, and the scientists were claiming that since this test isn't anything more different then what already occurs in the universe, it should be perfectly safe....... then 5 minutes later in the report, they claim they have no idea what will happen.

So how TF do you know it's perfectly safe? :roll:

Much better than some lottery games... and people win them all the time.

No different than what occurs in the universe. All kinds of catastrophic events happen out there!