turbineless wind-power

#juan

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Interesting Herman

It seems simple enough. I wonder if it will survive the jump to meaningful power delivery.
 

hermanntrude

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one immediate improvement I could suggest is to put the solenoids in the middle, where the oscillation is greatest instead of at the ends. Although they might disrupt wind-flow....
 

Tonington

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The price seems right. Could work wonders for those in the poorest nations.
 

#juan

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I started imagining a large model .....maybe 500 feet long, and then started thinking of the reciprocating mass that might be involved. I don't say it won't work but I'll wait and see.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Nice idea. Going to be some interesting engineering problems in scaling that up. I don't know much about fluid flow, but it's got to be turbulence that makes that mylar ribbon flap, which I presume would be induced by the slot the wind is forced to pass through and the ribbon itself. It might have to be adjustable in several ways--the gap between the slots and the tension on the ribbon come to mind--to get it to flap at different wind speeds. I wonder what the relationship is among wind velocity, tension, gap size, and frequency. Be a bit of a nuisance if the thing produces a variable frequency AC current. I can see problems with materials too, as in, how long would it take for that ribbon to flap itself to pieces. But those are engineering problems, there's no new science involved, I'm sure that guy's bright enough to figure it out. I wish him well.
 

hermanntrude

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i think the idea is not to scale it up but to make it cheap and available to the masses so people can run their radios and some lights and such. A scaled up version would be incredibly noisy
 

karrie

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have you stood near the large wind turbines? I've been told they're far from quiet.
 

Tonington

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I have, they're not as bad as they're made out to be. The air exchanger in the church next to my apartment is louder:-?

At 350 m the sound they generate is between 35-45 dB
 

karrie

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I personally could care less if they're noisy. Pop them in the middle of a buffalo corral somewhere... those big pricks aren't bothered by anything. lol.
 

Tonington

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Hahah, a feedlot might actually muffle the noise. I think Ontario actually requires an impact assessment up to 1000m from any wind farm.
 

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Nice idea. Going to be some interesting engineering problems in scaling that up. I don't know much about fluid flow, but it's got to be turbulence that makes that mylar ribbon flap, which I presume would be induced by the slot the wind is forced to pass through and the ribbon itself. It might have to be adjustable in several ways--the gap between the slots and the tension on the ribbon come to mind--to get it to flap at different wind speeds. I wonder what the relationship is among wind velocity, tension, gap size, and frequency. Be a bit of a nuisance if the thing produces a variable frequency AC current. I can see problems with materials too, as in, how long would it take for that ribbon to flap itself to pieces. But those are engineering problems, there's no new science involved, I'm sure that guy's bright enough to figure it out. I wish him well.

I'm interested in that frequency problem, the little axial flux turbine I built a while ago is three phase variable frequency. I'v got to have 10mph wind to get 180 rpm to get over the 12.5 volts or so before the battery starts to charge. I'm assuming the frequency problem would be the same.
 

iARTthere4iam

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have you stood near the large wind turbines? I've been told they're far from quiet.

I saw a very large wind farm near Dundalk Ont. As close as I could get to it I couldn't hear anything. They were in a farm field. I thoulght they were majestic and elegant. They are supposed to be putting them up around here. I can't wait.
 

#juan

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A larger model needn't be made of thin plastic tape. I can imagine an airfoil that would, in sufficient airflow, increase it's angle of attack to the stalling point and start again, but for significant power delivery, a more conventional turbine might be a better answer.
 

#juan

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In retropect, if they can build the Tacoma Narrows bridge then this concept should be doable.

I should imagine that the Tacoma Narrows bridge could have been made a lot stronger and still collapsed. A way has to be found to limit the destructive resonance to the point where the forces could be harnessed. I've thought a bit about this and I can't help feeling that more conventional wind turbines, adapted for varying wind velocities would be the way to go.
 

darkbeaver

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I should imagine that the Tacoma Narrows bridge could have been made a lot stronger and still collapsed. A way has to be found to limit the destructive resonance to the point where the forces could be harnessed. I've thought a bit about this and I can't help feeling that more conventional wind turbines, adapted for varying wind velocities would be the way to go.
Can we turn it into heat?