Water on Mars

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Here is a link to a site that will answer most questions.

http://tinyurl.com/24gxvt

Are martians visually impared.
 
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Are martians visually impared.

Depends which Mars we are talking about. I understand that a severe sandstorm, might have winds of around 400 miles an hour....now that wouldn't do anyone's eyes any good.
 
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Depends which Mars we are talking about. I understand that a severe sandstorm, might have winds of around 400 miles an hour....now that wouldn't do anyone's eyes any good.

I hear ya....

Timesies:Jaun i did appreciate your link and read it....i was just lobb'in in a lol..which I do from time to time...just saying in case....

thats about as sensitive as i'm gonna get today so savour the moment....


So where does the wind come from...that would imply some sort of gaseuos state atmosphere...am i missing sumtin....a scolding or a good spanking would be welcome jaun...haven't had any abuse in days....LOL!
Last edited by Dreadful Nonsense; Jun 15th, 2007 at 12:09 PM..Reason: wrote lobbying instead of lobin lol
 
Johnnny
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i thought moons were responsible for wind
 
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i thought moons were responsible for wind

tides and getting arrested
 
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tides and getting arrested

Winds on Mars are driven by heat from the sun just like they are on Earth, The winds on Mars develope the high speeds because the atmosphere is so thin. In Bradbury's book, "The Martian Chronicals", he talked about large desert sailing boats with wheels that travelled over the desert at hight speed. Be great but you still can't breath CO2, which is pretty much all the Martian atmosphere is.
 
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ta much
 
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#38
Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Here is a link to a site that will answer most questions.

http://tinyurl.com/24gxvt

Thanx #juan. Temperature would have to be between 0c and 5c to maintain liquid water.
 
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#39
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there is an atmosphere

so wouldnt that mean people would boil if unprotected on the surface of mars?

If a man was left unprotected on the surface of Mars, he would likely die of suffocation first. If the spaceship he was on was carrying Earth pressure of 14.7 psi and a man was ejected onto the surface unprotected from that pressure, the results would likely be ugly. Spaceships would normally carry a pressure much lower than that......
 
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If a man was left unprotected on the surface of Mars, he would likely die of suffocation first. If the spaceship he was on was carrying Earth pressure of 14.7 psi and a man was ejected onto the surface unprotected from that pressure, the results would likely be ugly. Spaceships would normally carry a pressure much lower than that......


But if he was decompressed properly, had on an oxygen mask, but did not wear a spacesuit, his blood would boil.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Depends which Mars we are talking about. I understand that a severe sandstorm, might have winds of around 400 miles an hour....now that wouldn't do anyone's eyes any good.


Wear goggles. Keep in mind that the winds although faster are at a lower pressure differential. The wind is faster but blowing with a less equivalent force then a 400 mile per hour wind on earth.
 
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I think you are right...but water does not exist in large quantities on the surface. There is a bit of water ice at the poles but that is all. "The average air pressure at the surface of Mars is 6 millibars (compared to 1013 millibars on Earth)." Any liquid water would boil away instantly.

Normal water would but if the water has enough salts in it it might not.
 
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Normal water would but if the water has enough salts in it it might not.

The salts lower the freezing point but do they also not lower the boiling point? I remember my mom always added salt to a pan of water she was boiling for that reason. Perhaps that is just an old wives tale.
 
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The salts lower the freezing point but do they also not lower the boiling point? I remember my mom always added salt to a pan of water she was boiling for that reason. Perhaps that is just an old wives tale.

That's funny. My Mom did that too but I have no idea why. It would definitely lower the freezing point but it wouldn't do much for the boiling point..................Did I tell you about my Mom putting a pan of boiling water out on the porch during a very cold northern B.C. Winter. It froze so fast that the ice was still warm........
 
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The salts lower the freezing point but do they also not lower the boiling point? I remember my mom always added salt to a pan of water she was boiling for that reason. Perhaps that is just an old wives tale.


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"First of all, you have to remember that the average atmospheric pressure on Mars is very close to the triple point of water," explains Richard Hoover, an astrobiologist at the Marshall Space Flight Center. "You only have to increase the pressure a little bit to make liquid water possible."

The 'triple point' is the combination of pressure (6.1 millibars) and temperature (0.01 °C) at which water can exist simultaneously in all three states: a solid, a liquid and a gas (see the 'phase diagram' below). On Earth, our experience with the triple point is usually limited to ice skating. The temperature of ice on a skating rink is just a fraction of a degree from the triple point. A little bit of pressure on the solid ice can cause it to transform to a liquid. The weight of a skater applied to the ice along the blade of the skate therefore creates a thin layer of liquid water that lubricates the blade and makes gliding possible.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast29jun_1m.htm


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"Salts have the potential to significantly lower the freezing point of water," agrees Steve Clifford of the Lunar and Planetary Institute. "Indeed, there are some combinations of salts that can lower the freezing point by as much as 60 °C. However, thermodynamic and chemical stability arguments (arising from work by Benton Clark) suggest that, on Mars, the most potent freezing point-depressing brines are likely to be based on NaCl (common table salt)."

So salts can lower the freezing boiling and raise the boiling point. This means more opportunity for water to exist on mars even if only for a short period of time from it seeping out from the ground under pressure.
 
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Interesting exercise...Any liquid water on Mars would likely be saturated with dissolved materials but the boiling point is likely to be more dependant on pressure than temperature.
 

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