Global warming fallout

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

Here's my problem with the global warming alarmism, for every scientist that says that doomsday is nigh because of global warming, there is one that says it is a natural occurance, and for man to think he can stop global warming is as ridiculous as the notion that we are causing it.

I personally believe that ones acceptance or denial of the cause global warming has more to do with ones politics than it does with concern for the well-being of the planet or humanity.

I think it is no big coincidence that people and governments who were for the Kyoto accords are simultaneously anti-american. Why? Well, obviously because the U.S. would be the one who would suffer most under the Kyoto accords. Huge price jumps in energy prices, astronomical fines for the evil western democracy..etc..etc..all the while countries like the former U.S.S.R and China would sail through the accords, safely exempt.

Quote: Originally Posted by #juan

The fallout of global warming: 1,000 years
In stark terms, scientists confirm that climate change is 'unequivocal'
MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
Humans have already caused so much damage to the atmosphere that the effects of global warming will last for more than 1,000 years, according to a summary of a climate-change report being prepared by the world's leading scientists.
The draft, seen by The Globe and Mail yesterday, also says evidence the world is heating up is now so strong it is “unequivocal” and predicts more frequent heat waves, droughts and rain storms, as well as more violent typhoons and hurricanes. It concludes the higher temperatures observed during the past 50 years are so dramatically different from anything in the climate record that the last half-century period was likely the hottest in at least the past 1,300 years.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

When you have climate scientists affiliated with NASA Goddard, NOAA and IPCC and the multitude of other climate/atmospheric institutions making similar assertions and findings, it is more than some broad political movement.

Then when you lambast criticisms against the USA only to do likewise to nations like China and Russia, who is a signatory of the Kyoto acord, that to me seems more analogous to a political leaning.

The fix certainly is harder than the cause. A fix requires a paradigm shift while business as usual simply encourages said trend. Further, the natural negative feedbacks require much longer time periods than those which brought us to this point. The time period for thermal expansion to come back to even where it is now were we to stop our emissions all together is on the scale of thousands of years. That seems dire and indeed it is. A temperature change of 3 degrees for example just through expansion of the water, without any ice melt accounts for something like 1.8 metres of sea level rise. That may not seem like much, but it makes the idea of rebuilding dykes and levies in New Orleans seem like a waste of time, unless the engineers have asked for input from agencies like NOAA and NASA Goddard.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

The fix certainly is harder than the cause. A fix requires a paradigm shift while business as usual simply encourages said trend. Further, the natural negative feedbacks require much longer time periods than those which brought us to this point. The time period for thermal expansion to come back to even where it is now were we to stop our emissions all together is on the scale of thousands of years.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vicious

Am I reading this right? Tomorrow we park all the cars, stop heating our homes and then wait a thousand years and all will be back to normal?

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

If global warming (and its causes)were such a set in stone certainty, I would imagine there would not be so much discord and vehement disagreement within the scientific community.

Another thing...apparently temperatures have been rising since before the first car rolled off an assembly line, so it can't all be attributed to SUV's and the private jet that Al Gore flies around in.

One volcanic eruption such as Mt St Helens, or Pinatubo releases more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than have been created since man started walking upright. Any plans for those? Maybe huge corks?

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

Well of course Russia and China signed it. What did they have to lose? And what would they gain if the U.S. did sign it?

There is nothing, no films, articles or whatever, that says humans cause global warming that doesn't go un answered by films articles or what not that says we don't cause it.

All the scientists in the world can agree, for example, that cyanide is bad for you. If you take it, you die (except for a certain few whom it doesnt effect). If global warming (and its causes)were such a set in stone certainty, I would imagine there would not be so much discord and vehement disagreement within the scientific community.

Another thing...apparently temperatures have been rising since before the first car rolled off an assembly line, so it can't all be attributed to SUV's and the private jet that Al Gore flies around in.

One volcanic eruption such as Mt St Helens, or Pinatubo releases more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than have been created since man started walking upright. Any plans for those? Maybe huge corks?

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

One volcanic eruption such as Mt St Helens, or Pinatubo releases more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than have been created since man started walking upright. Any plans for those? Maybe huge corks?

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

As Juan allready said volcanic eruptions are minimal in comparison to our emissions. Also, a volcanic eruption of large proportions releases tonnes and tonnes of ash and soot, which actually has a cooling effect.

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

Im not talking about the everyday emissions from volcanos, I'm talking about the huge eruptions. They are about as likely to stop as Al Gore is likely to trade in his SUV's and start walking to his speech engagements.

A "cooling" effect...tread cautiously my friend, talk like that could get one excommunicated from the Green Church.

I just find all the alarmists amusing. For every place where ice is melting, its thickening somewhere else, there examples like that everywhere. But to the most devout disciples of the global warming dogma in the church of liberalism, even when a locale gets colder, it is attributed to global warming!

Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon

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Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

Here's my problem with the global warming alarmism, for every scientist that says that doomsday is nigh because of global warming, there is one that says it is a natural occurance,

Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude

the problem is that the ones saying it's a natural occurrence are usually discreetly funded by oil companies, or others with a vested interest in the status quo

Originally Posted by thomaska
Here's my problem with the global warming alarmism, for every scientist that says that doomsday is nigh because of global warming, there is one that says it is a natural occurance,

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

I'm not to worried about being kicked out of any church, I'm not going to cherry pick around the facts

One of the consequences of having all this extra energy around is greater instability. You're absolutely right about the ice changing locales, but the rate of change isn't equal. Recent models which take into account this very fact show the Arctic ice free during the summer as early as 2040, 10 years before the full power of our Clean Air Act comes into effect...

Quote: Originally Posted by thomaska

Well, then I guess we just need a good coat of sunscreen, maybe SPF 5 quadrillion? All over the planet, because I'm thinking the biggest culprit in this might be the sun. With it's pesky 11000 year cycles.

Good luck with that.