Getting sick of this kinda crap...


Tonington
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Idaho gov. wants to kill all but 100 wolves in state

By Jesse Harlan Alderman
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:11 p.m. January 11, 2007
BOISE, Idaho – Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter said Thursday he will support public hunts to kill all but 100 gray wolves in the state once the federal government removes the animal from Endangered Species Act protections, and that he hopes to shoot a wolf himself. The Idaho Office of Species Conservation estimates the state's current wolf population at about 650, in roughly 60 packs. Otter told The Associated Press after a rally of hunters on the Capitol steps that he wants hunters to gradually kill about 550 of the animals, leaving about 100 wolves or 10 packs, the minimum the federal government would allow before wolves again would be considered endangered.
“That management includes you,” Otter told the approximately 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. “I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself.”
Idaho Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife bused in wolf opponents from as far as Twin Falls, 130 miles away, for the rally with Otter and several state lawmakers. They urged the government to immediately remove wolves from endangered species protection.
Otter also signed a proclamation making Thursday “Idaho Sportsmen Day.”
The crowd – including one hunter with a stuffed baby fox around his neck and a sign declaring “Wolves are illegal immigrants too” – stood for more than an hour in the midmorning snow. They applauded wildly as Otter amplified their position that wolves are rapidly killing elk and other animals essential to Idaho's multimillion-dollar hunting industry.
But Suzanne Stone, a spokeswoman for the wolf advocacy group Defenders of Wildlife in Boise, said most biological studies show that wolves do not substantially damage elk or other big game herds.
She said Otter's proposal to sustain Idaho's population at the “very edge of the minimum required for survival” would return wolves to the verge of eradication.
“Essentially he has confirmed our worst fears for the state of Idaho: that this would be a political rather than a biological management of the wolf population,” Stone said. “There's no economic or ecological reason for maintaining such low numbers. It's simple persecution.”
Wolves were reintroduced to the northern Rocky Mountains a decade ago after being hunted to near-extinction. They now number more than 1,200 in the region.
The head of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has said his agency would start removing federal protections from gray wolves in Montana and Idaho in the next few weeks. Once officially de-listed, the Idaho Fish and Game Commission will decide how many wolves will be culled through public hunts, poison baiting, aerial shootings or other methods.
The wildlife service's proposed plan for de-listing would have to clear a lengthy public comment and revision process, and likely a spate of lawsuits from environmentalists before state fish and game wardens could draw up guidelines for wolf hunting.
The region where wolves would be removed from endangered status would include all of Idaho, Montana, Eastern Washington and Oregon and a small sliver of northeastern Utah.
Wyoming's plan is tied up in lawsuits, but the wildlife service is moving ahead with Idaho and Montana, where federal officials have already approved wolf-management plans. Idaho's plan currently calls for maintaining a minimum of 15 packs – a higher number than Otter's proposal of 10 packs.
Jeff Allen, a policy adviser for the Idaho Office of Species Conservation, said the state suggested protecting 15 wolf packs to allow “a cushion” between the wolves in state woodlands and the minimum number that federal biologists would allow for the species to remain “recovered.”
“Ten is a magic number because you drop below 10 and all of a sudden you're re-listed,” Allen said, adding that Otter and state wildlife officials agree on wolf strategy and will easily be able to reach a consensus on specific numbers.
“You don't want to be too close to 10 because all of a sudden when one (wolf) is hit by a car or taken in defense of property, you're back on the list,” he said.
Otter said Idaho's hunters would likely be able to thin the wolf population without forcing the state to rely on more controversial methods, such as shooting from helicopters or planting poison bait.
Idaho's wolf plan specifies that public hunts are preferred, but Allen said he is uncertain how skillful sportsmen will be at killing wolves.
“I suspect there will be some Idahoans who get pretty adept at hunting wolves,” Allen said. “And, I suspect some will see how hard these animals are to take.”
 
hermanntrude
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We saw timberwolf tracks all around fox lake but never saw the buggers. The locals shoot everything that moves for miles around the town but not many wolf skins about... maybe they're tough to find.

still no reason to let the yanks go out with their rifles and start shooting an animal just cos it came off the endangered lists
 
csanopal
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

We saw timberwolf tracks all around fox lake but never saw the buggers. The locals shoot everything that moves for miles around the town but not many wolf skins about... maybe they're tough to find.

still no reason to let the yanks go out with their rifles and start shooting an animal just cos it came off the endangered lists

Well, they do like to play cowboys. Even the grandma's have guns in their purses. Maybe it's better if they shoot animals instead of each other?
 
hermanntrude
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good point. maybe we could breed large quanities of some fast-breeding animals and airlift them into the US for them to shoot... might even slow down the wars
 
Tonington
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Hmmm, maybe genetically modified grazers, give them some chloroplasts! Better yet, chloroplasts in rabbits!
 
hermanntrude
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maybe the bigfoot, sasquatch, is a prototype
 
csanopal
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Hmmm, maybe genetically modified grazers, give them some chloroplasts!

Yes. Or even genetically created yetis. Arm them too of course. Wouldn't have to airlft them hermann, just let them wander south across the border.Call up the white House and let them know they are facing an invasion..that should keep them busy and out of the worlds affairs for a bit, as they try to hunt down and discover where the yeti's are hiding!
 
csanopal
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

maybe the bigfoot, sasquatch, is a prototype

Great minds hermann! I was just writing that-except I thought they were called "yeti's"???
 
Colpy
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I shoot coyotes on sight.

There are wolves in New Brunswick, but very few.............as there are cougars, but very few. I would not shoot at either of those.

One would think 650 wolves is not a large population.......I could be corrected in that assumption if someone could show large scale predation on domestic livestock......or a loss of fear of man, but wolves seem to be VERY shy, and as it is I'd say leave 'em alone.

Poisoning is simply beyond the Pale.............
 
hermanntrude
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yeti in higher climates. More tibetan than american. although i think many people assume they are the same species just in different climates, with a different coat
 
#juan
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The nutbars in Idaho have hunted the wolves to near extinction before and reintroduced wolves from Canada. Now they want to do it again. It has been found time and time again that wolves are the natural managers of deer and elk and the like. They kill the sick, and weaker animals, making for a stronger herd.

This story is only about money, and nitwits who get off on killing animals they don't eat.

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Thursday, January 4, 2007
New effort to banish wolves from Idaho
Sponsor of thwarted initiative to try again
By JOHN MILLER
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BOISE, Idaho -- A self-described wolf fighter from central Idaho has renewed his quest to win voter support for eliminating the predators from the state after failing to get a similar measure on November's ballot.
Ron Gillett, a hunting outfitter from Stanley, aims to gather enough voter signatures for his initiative in time for the general election in November 2008. Like last year's thwarted initiative, it calls for the state to end all wolf recovery efforts and to remove "all wolves reintroduced into Idaho from Canada to the extent allowed by law."
Canadian gray wolves were taken to Idaho, starting with 35 animals in 1995 and 1996, after being hunted nearly to extinction. Since then, they've prospered in the state's rugged interior, with the population growing to about 650 animals in 60 packs this year.
Gillett, who says he'll fight until all wolves have been driven from the state, argues they're eating too many elk and livestock and threatening the livelihoods of outfitters and ranchers.
"There's only one way to manage wolves in Idaho, and it's to get rid of them," Gillett said Wednesday.

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CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Hmmm, maybe genetically modified grazers, give them some chloroplasts! Better yet, chloroplasts in rabbits!

No we would end up with more of this...
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Tonington
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The claim I believe these hunters in Idaho are making is that the wolf population is destroying the elk population. That's just BS. The biologists who have been studying the wolves and their ecological role have claimed zero evidence for wolf causality here. The elk population is still down from large scale die-off from the harsh 1996 winter. Also, as Juan allready said, the wolves prefer to take down sick animals, which keeps the population healthy.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

The claim I believe these hunters in Idaho are making is that the wolf population is destroying the elk population. That's just BS. The biologists who have been studying the wolves and their ecological role have claimed zero evidence for wolf causality here. The elk population is still down from large scale die-off from the harsh 1996 winter. Also, as Juan allready said, the wolves prefer to take down sick animals, which keeps the population healthy.

Those are all well documented facts. But that won't stop the missinformed from doing their gawd given duty.

The very stupidity of these events and they are not isolated, is just ridiculous.

Although I will have to back Colpy up on Coyote's. But there is a huge difference, between the two. One struggles to coexist, the other is like cockroaches.
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

No we would end up with more of this...
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Ahahah, man that's funny. Kinda reminded me off the Silly rabbit trix are for kids rabbit. One day he just snapped...
 
MikeyDB
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Everyone cheer for the VP of the U.S.....he tried to blast one of his supporters but had bird-shot instead of double-ought....

In any contest between human beings and nature...nature loses.

The only time mom nature gets human's attention is when enough people suffer...and there's a lot more suffering on the way...
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Idaho gov. wants to kill all but 100 wolves in state

Yeah, Colorado killed off most of their wolves quite a while ago. Ended up importing more wolves from Canada because they started an overpopulation of elk and rodents like rabbits problem. That in turn started a problem with various reductions in greenery which in turn started ............. F'n stupid.
 
hermanntrude
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europe killed nearly every wolf they had

less of an issue now we've hardly got any forests left
 
karrie
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Can you even imagine what the elk and deer populations will start to look like if they do this? The prize bucks will all be killed, the strongest most geneticall superior (what hunter kills the little sick ones), and in turn, there will be nothing to cull all the ill animals off. The weaker specimens will be left for breeding, and before long the hunters will have nothing left to hunt but scraggly, inferior animals. Morons. What kind of hunter shoots himself in the foot like this?
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

This story is only about money, and nitwits who get off on killing animals they don't eat.


Like clubbing baby seals?

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hermanntrude
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people eat seal meat. Seal ribs are delicious
 
hermanntrude
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and they dont club the babies. whitecoats are strictly off limits
 
I think not
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

and they dont club the babies. whitecoats are strictly off limits

Yeah? Watch the movie.

Besides that wasn't the point. The point is, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

Can you even imagine what the elk and deer populations will start to look like if they do this? The prize bucks will all be killed, the strongest most geneticall superior (what hunter kills the little sick ones), and in turn, there will be nothing to cull all the ill animals off. The weaker specimens will be left for breeding, and before long the hunters will have nothing left to hunt but scraggly, inferior animals. Morons. What kind of hunter shoots himself in the foot like this?

Actually, there are lots of things other than predators that cull the weak........first of all, competition between males means only the strongest get to breed.........as well, winter takes care of the weak or ill.

In NB, we went for decades without a significant predator population, and the white-tailed deer thrived here. Not only in numbers, but we are second only to Saskatchewan in the size of the bucks taken.........

That changed in the 70s when coyotes moved in.

However, the severity of the winters has MUCH more to do with population than predation does.

Our deer population is BOOMING, up to over 100,000 from 60,000 5 years ago.

 
hermanntrude
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i am married into a family which contains people who go out on the ice to hunt seals. They shoot them. Usually they shoot them dead instantly. sometimes they use a club to kill them off. They only hunt during the hunting season when pregnant mothers aren't around, babies are off limits.

there is a lot of crap around about these seals and it's all because people think they're "cute and cuddly".

and if u think it's bad that they're hunted for money, please tell me what u think cows are killed for or pigs or even other hunted animals, pheasants, boar, elk, caribou, moose etc. there's often money there too.

seal is quite common in places as actual food. I guarantee your average seal-hunter has less of an impact on the world than your average city-dwelling, commuting, non-recycling, bottled-water drinking yuppie.

By the way if there wasnt a seal hunt the cod would have been gone years ago.
 
Colpy
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Yeah.

Knew an ex-sealer. Was hurt so he can no longer go to sea.

Wears an SPCA t-shirt.
 
hermanntrude
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me and colpy agreeing on the proper use of a gun. shooting seals
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

i am married into a family which contains people who go out on the ice to hunt seals. They shoot them. Usually they shoot them dead instantly. sometimes they use a club to kill them off. They only hunt during the hunting season when pregnant mothers aren't around, babies are off limits.

there is a lot of crap around about these seals and it's all because people think they're "cute and cuddly".

and if u think it's bad that they're hunted for money, please tell me what u think cows are killed for or pigs or even other hunted animals, pheasants, boar, elk, caribou, moose etc. there's often money there too.

seal is quite common in places as actual food. I guarantee your average seal-hunter has less of an impact on the world than your average city-dwelling, commuting, non-recycling, bottled-water drinking yuppie.

By the way if there wasnt a seal hunt the cod would have been gone years ago.

Well, I happen to think clubbing is reprehensible. I recognize that there are famillies on the Magdalen Islands, Newfoundland and Labrador that have hunted these seals for a long time, and even rely on them for food.

However, there is a big difference between the ecological roles played by seals, which are undomesticated, versus domesticated herds of animals.

And, I'm pretty sure the cod problem was caused by overfishing, and years of DFO thinking about bottom lines rather than what their own scientists were telling them.
 
Toro
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I'd like to shoot that f****** beaver that keeps damning up my pond at the back. One of my neighbors did so a few years ago, and I commend him for it.
 
hermanntrude
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not just families which rely upon them, but families all across newfoundland and labrador, and i daresay some other maritime provinces, who enjoy the meat as a delicacy much as you or i would eat a deer or a moose, shot wild.

I admit the cod problem is a human one, but without the seal culling it would have come to a head many years ago and probably been an awful lot more of a problem now.

seal killing is no worse than any other form of hunting. I am a supporter
 

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