#31
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
I'm not sure on the numbers, but I would hope that DFO in their infinite wisdom isn't culling the seals on the same scale as this proposed wolf kill.
Getting sick of this kinda crap...
#32
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
probably a larger scale. but the population of seals is much greater and much more stable than that of wolves. They're not at risk from hunting
#33
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
Ahhh, so total pup numbers for 2004 were approximately 991,400. The total number killed in any year can't exceed 350,000. And the total is for 975,000 in any three year period.
#34
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
i have no idea of the figures i just know that seals havent been hunted to extinction. wolves have, repeatedly, all over the world. I also know seals are fast breeders, and seem to be thriving around the maritimes. You always see them when u to any part of the atlantic.
#35
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
I'm sure nobody missed the fact that the guy doing the most pushing to kill the wolves, Ron Gillet, is hunting outfitter who wants to expand his business. This is a guy that takes wannabe hunters out to shoot ferocious deer and elk.
Governor Otter told the approximately 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. “I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself.”. Can anyone explain why a reasonably intelligent man(he is the governor)would enjoy killing a wolf.?
One other point: 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. I guess the camouflage is to make it hard for the deer to see them and the blaze orange hats are to keep the other hunters from shooting them. Some sport. Let me guess. most of these "hunters" use something like a 30:06 with a telescopic sight and with a bit of practice, they can likely shoot a deer through the eye from 200 yards. Make an open season....on all hunters...or make them all hunt with a bow.
Governor Otter told the approximately 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. “I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself.”. Can anyone explain why a reasonably intelligent man(he is the governor)would enjoy killing a wolf.?
One other point: 300 hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps. I guess the camouflage is to make it hard for the deer to see them and the blaze orange hats are to keep the other hunters from shooting them. Some sport. Let me guess. most of these "hunters" use something like a 30:06 with a telescopic sight and with a bit of practice, they can likely shoot a deer through the eye from 200 yards. Make an open season....on all hunters...or make them all hunt with a bow.
#36
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
Hermann, at my famillies summer place in PEI, we see them regularly out in the water. Once when I was snorkeling, I popped and saw a seal very close to me, just staring right back at me. We also see them all the time in groups when we go out kayaking.
#37
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
My first boat was a 27 foot Campion. I had a convertable top on the rear deck and cockpit. The boat was moored at a marina on Gabriola Island and a few times the seals got in under the canvas and covered everything with seal$hit. I loved those animals, especially when it took me a couple hours to clean up the mess, and the smell.
#38
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB
Yeah. Tsunamis, diseases, etc.Everyone cheer for the VP of the U.S.....he tried to blast one of his supporters but had bird-shot instead of double-ought....
In any contest between human beings and nature...nature loses.
The only time mom nature gets human's attention is when enough people suffer...and there's a lot more suffering on the way...
#39
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Toro
I'm sure there's probably a bear (or maybe even your beaver) around that'd just as soon tear you to bits for interruptng its habitat by plunking a house in it. I'd like to shoot that f****** beaver that keeps damning up my pond at the back. One of my neighbors did so a few years ago, and I commend him for it.
#40
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Nope. They're too busy promoting those disastrous fishfarms off BC's coast.I'm not sure on the numbers, but I would hope that DFO in their infinite wisdom isn't culling the seals on the same scale as this proposed wolf kill.
#41
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
So instead of making sure that they couldn't get into your boat, we should exterminate them, thereby causing ourselves grief down the road. lolMy first boat was a 27 foot Campion. I had a convertable top on the rear deck and cockpit. The boat was moored at a marina on Gabriola Island and a few times the seals got in under the canvas and covered everything with seal$hit. I loved those animals, especially when it took me a couple hours to clean up the mess, and the smell.
Some folks around here have that problem with otters getting into boats. It's the otters' fault we can't secure things properly.
#42
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
I bet otters are little buggers for getting into places. Too clever and nimble to stop easily. still... not their fault if they cause some trouble... and they're so cuuute
#43
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Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
That's what I'm studying at University right now. I think Aquaculture can be very beneficial, but mind you I don't think it is wise to place an open cage system in the mouth of a river, or near any migration of wild fish. It's the same as terrestrial agriculture, some people just wanna make a buck and damn the consequences. Jam as much product as you can onto given plot, turn around as quickly as possible, sometimes without proper fallow. Pretty short sighted if you ask me, considering a farmer has to maintain a healthy balance between the organisms being cultured and the environment you can provide for them.Nope. They're too busy promoting those disastrous fishfarms off BC's coast.
As aquaculture is a new form of agriculture, it has been subjected to many regulations, and I think that's good. It's a growing industry and the effort should always be made to get it right the first time. There are few if any fisheries that have proven over the long run that they can be sustainable. Growth, growth, always at the expense of that resource we should be trying much harder to maintain, not exploit.
Well I guess thats enough of a rant for now.
#44
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude
They don't seem too fond of chicken wire.I bet otters are little buggers for getting into places. Too clever and nimble to stop easily. still... not their fault if they cause some trouble... and they're so cuuute
#45
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Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Exactly. I think it's a great idea if done properly. I also think they could do better than farming Atlantics by trying to farm indigenous species. (Atlantics don't taste very good, IMO, and the color of Atlantics isn't very appetizing either. I'd rather have nice reddish Sockeye than grey Atlantic).That's what I'm studying at University right now. I think Aquaculture can be very beneficial, but mind you I don't think it is wise to place an open cage system in the mouth of a river, or near any migration of wild fish. It's the same as terrestrial agriculture, some people just wanna make a buck and damn the consequences. Jam as much product as you can onto given plot, turn around as quickly as possible, sometimes without proper fallow. Pretty short sighted if you ask me, considering a farmer has to maintain a healthy balance between the organisms being cultured and the environment you can provide for them.
As aquaculture is a new form of agriculture, it has been subjected to many regulations, and I think that's good. It's a growing industry and the effort should always be made to get it right the first time. There are few if any fisheries that have proven over the long run that they can be sustainable. Growth, growth, always at the expense of that resource we should be trying much harder to maintain, not exploit.
Well I guess thats enough of a rant for now.
#46
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
The Seal
Seals are at home in the water but give birth on land. During the mating season the males can engage in ferocious battles one minute and be playful and amusing the next. Seals have the agility to move from anger to complete calm. Being excellent swimmers they know how to flow with the ever changing currents. If seal pops its head into your life you are being asked to review the ebb and flow of your thoughts and emotions and maintain a point of balance.
Water is a creative element and represents the feminine imagination and intuition. When a seal appears in your life it is a signal to pay close attention to your imagination and insight both in the dreamtime and in the waking state. Much of what your imagining may have, and usually does, a strong basis in reality no matter how far fetched it appears.
Seals do not have external ears, just small openings. This signifies its kinship with their inner voice and can show those with this totem how to listen to the sound within. That sound is a inherent part of ones creative, imaginative powers.
Seals swim above and beneath the water enabling them to experience both the inner and outer worlds. They teach those with this totem how to flow, how to hear, and how to discover the deeper mysteries of their true nature. There are no limits to the creative energies stimulated by this medicine. The seal is the keeper of wisdom and shows us what is hidden deep within ourselves. They teach us how to integrate the our imagination with the reasoning power of the intellect. Doing this promotes balance and harmony on all levels.
Seals are at home in the water but give birth on land. During the mating season the males can engage in ferocious battles one minute and be playful and amusing the next. Seals have the agility to move from anger to complete calm. Being excellent swimmers they know how to flow with the ever changing currents. If seal pops its head into your life you are being asked to review the ebb and flow of your thoughts and emotions and maintain a point of balance.
Water is a creative element and represents the feminine imagination and intuition. When a seal appears in your life it is a signal to pay close attention to your imagination and insight both in the dreamtime and in the waking state. Much of what your imagining may have, and usually does, a strong basis in reality no matter how far fetched it appears.
Seals do not have external ears, just small openings. This signifies its kinship with their inner voice and can show those with this totem how to listen to the sound within. That sound is a inherent part of ones creative, imaginative powers.
Seals swim above and beneath the water enabling them to experience both the inner and outer worlds. They teach those with this totem how to flow, how to hear, and how to discover the deeper mysteries of their true nature. There are no limits to the creative energies stimulated by this medicine. The seal is the keeper of wisdom and shows us what is hidden deep within ourselves. They teach us how to integrate the our imagination with the reasoning power of the intellect. Doing this promotes balance and harmony on all levels.
#47
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007The Wolf
When a lone wolf is spotted in the wilderness it embodies the energy of freedom. When seen in a pack it embodies a sense of community. If wolf appears to you alone or in a pack it is asking you to acquire the same within your own life. In spite of their negative press wolves are actually friendly, social and highly intelligent.
The wolf's senses are highly developed. Their intelligence is marked with excellent hearing, sense of smell and strong feeling. They are determined as well as cunning and use these skills for the benefit of the pack. The howl of the wolf is primal and penetrating. They howl to find other pack members or to let wolves from outside of the pack know their territory boundaries. If you hear a wolf howl it might be telling you to stand your ground and defend your boundaries.
Wolf teaches you to have a balance between the needs your family has of you and the needs you have for yourself. They are totally loyal to the pack but do not give up their identity to the pack. If wolf appears in your life you are being asked to look at where you are being too dependent and where you may be too independent. In both family and community there needs to be a balance.
Wolves convey much with their bodies. If they are angry, they may stick their ears straight up and bare their teeth. A wolf who is suspicious pulls its ears back and squints. Fear is often shown by flattening the ears against the head. A wolf who wants to play dances and bows playfully. Their body language is symbolic for those with this medicine. Man also uses body language to convey messages. The study of this art can increase perception in those with this totem.
Wolves hunt in packs, relying on endurance to run down weak and older animals. They have been known to run 35 miles a day in pursuit. They are the epitome of stamina and strength. With an extremely well developed societal organization, they act together to hunt and raise their young. They do not fight unnecessarily and often go out of their way to avoid fighting. Sometimes a growl, a glance, a posture is all that is necessary to determine dominance. Wolf teaches those with this medicine to know who you are and to develop strength and confidence in what you do.
wolf is one of my personal Brothers
#48
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Absolutely. This would also help to mitigate some of the bad press given to aquaculture. It takes a while before wild fish can be domesticated, but there are pacific salmon being raised, their performance is behind that of the Atlantic Salmon, but given time I'm sure it will come around.Exactly. I think it's a great idea if done properly. I also think they could do better than farming Atlantics by trying to farm indigenous species. (Atlantics don't taste very good, IMO, and the color of Atlantics isn't very appetizing either. I'd rather have nice reddish Sockeye than grey Atlantic).
I've never actually had any west coast salmon, only the Atlantic. I love it personally.
#49
Re: Getting sick of this kinda crap...
Jan 15th, 2007
Sockeye blows Atlantic away. Funny, too, BC can't seem to get Asians into eating Atlantics. lol Might be something to do with the dye to make the flesh pink, though. Not sure. Most canned salmon is Pink salmon. Probably get some from the store.
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