Wild New Theory Suggests Radio Bursts Beyond Our Galaxy Are Powering Alien Starships


Twila
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aliens! (so awesome)

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Since their discovery ten years ago, fast radio bursts have confounded astronomers. These intergalactic pulses of radio energy have defied explanation, but a new theory suggests a technological origin, whereby aliens use these beams to propel their ships through space. Extremely speculative stuff, to be sure, but it’s an idea worth pursuing given just how weird these pulses are.

The idea that Fast Radio Bursts are produced by advanced alien civilizations in order to drive spacecraft through interstellar space sounds like something a UFO conspiracy site might cook up—but it’s actually the serious suggestion of a new paper published by Avi Loeb and Manasvi Lingam from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Of course, much more evidence is needed before we can attribute this unexplained phenomenon to artificial sources versus a natural astrophysical process.

Fast Radio Bursts (FRBs) were first detected in 2007 at the Parkes radio dish in Australia. To date, only 17 episodes of these millisecond-long flashes of radio energy have ever been recorded by astronomers. The cause of this enigma isn’t known, but scientists have implicated various cosmological phenomena, including supermassive neutron stars, gamma-ray bursts, and stellar flares. Astronomers are fairly certain FRBs are coming from well beyond our galaxy, travelling billions of light years to reach our telescopes.

With no good theory to go by, Loeb and Lingam wondered if extraterrestrials might be involved—and not without good reason. In a word, FRBs are weird. Like really weird.

First of all, they’re insanely hot, featuring a brightness temperature of 1037 degrees (brightness temperature isn’t temperature in the conventional sense, but rather a measure of the strength of microwave radiation that pours out of a stellar object, such as a pulsar).

“This means that a hot surface would need to have that temperature in order to radiate at the observed level,” Loeb told Gizmodo. “There is no known astronomical object that generates radio bursts at such a high brightness, which is tens of billions of times brighter than the known population of pulsars, for example.”

Another puzzling aspect of FRBs is that they repeat, but not in any kind of predictable way. The researchers say this is contrary to what might be expected from a cataclysmic event like the collapse of a star, which could energize an explosion with a high brightness temperature. Also, the observed spectrum of the FRBs appear to be concentrated around a particular frequency, and not what would be expected from something like a pulsar.

“These clues are consistent with an artificial origin,” Loeb said.

For their study, the researchers considered the possibility that these long-range pulses might be coming from a powerful alien transmitting device. To that end, Loeb and Lingam explored the technological feasibility of building such a device, while also considering its potential use. They found that, if the device were solar-powered, the sunlight falling on an area about twice the size of Earth would be sufficient to generate the observed energy. This surface area could come in the form of a large terrestrial planet, or a massive spaced-based solar collecting megastructure, such as a Dyson sphere.

To prevent the system from melting under the tremendous temperatures involved, a massive water-based cooling system could be put into place. A transmitter like this is well beyond our current technological know-how, but the authors say it adheres to the known laws of physics, so at least that’s something.

As to why an extraterrestrial civilization would bother with such a device, the researchers say it could be used as an interstellar—or even an intergalactic—signaling system, alerting other intelligent lifeforms to their presence. Or more likely, the transmitter could be used to drive probes or ships on long journeys through interstellar space.

“We envision a beamer that emits the radio waves as a method of launching a light sail,” says Loeb. “In the same way that a sailboat is pushed by wind, a lightsail is pushed by light and can reach up to the speed of light.”

To power the light sail, the transmitter would have to focus its beam on the device long enough to generate the required propulsion. The amount of power involved would be enough to drive a payload of a million tons, roughly the weight of 20 large cruise ships. As study co-author Manasvi Lingam pointed out, “That’s big enough to carry living passengers across interstellar or even intergalactic distances.”

Interestingly enough, our civilization is contemplating the use of light sails for interstellar travel—on a much smaller scale. Stephen Hawking and Russian billionaire Yuri Milner think it’s a great idea, which is why they launched the $100 million Breakthrough Starshot project in 2016. And earlier this year, a research team from the Max Planck Institute explored the possibility of using a light sail-based system to explore the Alpha Centauri system—the closest star system to Earth.

As to why we see the FRB flashes here on Earth, that’s just leakage from the alien propulsion system. “The radio beam sweeps across the sky like a radar, because the source is changing its orientation relative to us,” explains Loeb. “This could be due to the spin of the host planet or the motion of the host star or galaxy.” Every once in a while, this beam just happens to point directly at Earth, confusing our astronomers in the process. The new study has been accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.
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Curious Cdn
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The sad part is that, even if it is true, these alien "signals" may be so far away from us that they "happened" when dinasuars were still walking around, here. We are prisoners of Relativity and those radio bursts can only travel at the speed of light. We might be witnessing the artifact of a species that is now long gone.
 
Hoof Hearted
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Don't give the loonies on this forum anymore ideas.

 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

The sad part is that, even if it is true, these alien "signals" may be so far away from us that they "happened" when dinasuars were still walking around, here. We are prisoners of Relativity and those radio bursts can only travel at the speed of light. We might be witnessing the artifact of a species that is now long gone.

True. Sure makes the head spin in a crazily awesome way though. Just the possibilities makes my imagination take flight.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof HeartedView Post

Don't give the loonies on this forum anymore ideas.

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lol, sorry, can't help myself. ideas are awesome, imagination is awesome and space is awesome...for me it's a winning combination I must share.

Besides... ALIENS!!
 
Curious Cdn
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ideas are awesome, imagination is awesome and space is awesome...

All of that makes our species totally unique, on this ball.
 
Bar Sinister
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Alien starships? Yeah right - that is incredibly scientific. When confronted with a puzzle simply make something up.
 
Johnnny
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In my opinion i doubt very much its aliens...


Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Alien starships? Yeah right - that is incredibly scientific. When confronted with a puzzle simply make something up.

Ever hear the "Ballad of KIC 8462852"? Aliens, Dyson Spheres, Science
 
mentalfloss
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Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Alien starships? Yeah right - that is incredibly scientific. When confronted with a puzzle simply make something up.

like you just did there?
despicable eh?

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

ah..the liebarrel platform in a nutshell

Well...screw quarentine- that's descrimination!
let 'em all in and give em double welfare
 
Bar Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

like you just did there?
despicable eh?



ah..the liebarrel platform in a nutshell

Well...screw quarentine- that's descrimination!
let 'em all in and give em double welfare


Exactly what did I make up? What is the problem did I piss on your belief in little green men? Your credibility gets lower and lower with every post.
 
Blackleaf
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I've often thought that alien spacecraft may be powered from stuff floating about in space, which the craft gather up as they travel along and then use as fuel.
 
petros
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Stuff?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Stuff?

Whatever space stuff they use to power their ships.
 
petros
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What if they simply have boats and not ships?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

What if they simply have boats and not ships?


Machinae Supremacy - "Space Boat
"




httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvSyXxXhzjnKw

 
petros
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How much space stuff can you fit in a boat?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

How much space stuff can you fit in a boat?

It depends on the size of the boat.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

It depends on the size of the boat.

Depends on how much space you have.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Depends on how much space you have.

The universe is big. Very big. It's the biggest thing in the whole universe.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

The universe is big. Very big. It's the biggest thing in the whole universe.

You're assuming that there is only one universe.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

You're assuming that there is only one universe.

No, I'm not. I'm talking about our universe. To travel from Earth to the edge of the OBSERVABLE universe AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT (186,000 miles per second) would take you 46 billion years, over three times the length of time that the universe has existed for.

So we can assume that there's a fair amount of stuff out there that alien spaceships can gather up as fuel.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

No, I'm not. I'm talking about our universe. To travel from Earth to the edge of the OBSERVABLE universe AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT (186,000 miles per second) would take you 46 billion years, over three times the length of time that the universe has existed for.

So we can assume that there's a fair amount of stuff out there that alien spaceships can gather up as fuel.

hint ... Interstellar hydrogen ... you fuse it together into helium and the lost mass from that produces a major shytepile of energy.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

hint ... Interstellar hydrogen ... you fuse it together into helium and the lost mass from that produces a major shytepile of energy.

My reckoning is that at least some of them use dark matter.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

My reckoning is that at least some of them use dark matter.

Darth told to do in a dream?
 
Blackleaf
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As for how aliens manage to traverse such vast distances: remember that the first circumnavigation of the world took three years (started by Magellan in 1519 and completed by Elcano in 1522). Now we have the technology to circumnavigate the globe in 44 hours. In Magellan's time, such a feat would have seemed forever impossible.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

As for how aliens manage to traverse such vast distances: remember that the first circumnavigation of the world took three years (started by Magellan in 1519 and completed by Elcano in 1522). Now we have the technology to circumnavigate the globe in 44 hours.

Yes but ...even assuming that the supposed Aliens have found a way to make a liar out of Einstein, those radio bursts are arriving at the speed of light. Some of them appear to come from another galaxy, so the alleged aliens may have been "jumping into hyperdrive" around the time that our ancestor's fins were morphing into legs.

Mysterious radio bursts originate outside the Milky Way | Science | AAAS (external - login to view)
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Yes but ...even assuming that the supposed Aliens have found a way to make a liar out of Einstein, those radio bursts are arriving at the speed of light. Some of them appear to come from another galaxy, so the alleged aliens may have been "jumping into hyperdrive" around the time that our ancestor's fins were morphing into legs.

Mysterious radio bursts originate outside the Milky Way | Science | AAAS (external - login to view)

Maybe they have the technology to temporarily bend space to make distances between them and their destinations shorter.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Maybe they have the technology to temporarily bend space to make distances between them and their destinations shorter.

Maybe so but the "side effects" bursts that we see have travelled to us at the speed of light. One has been measured as having travelled three billion light years. If they did bend space-time to travel, they did it a very, very long time ago.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

Maybe so but the "side effects" bursts that we see have travelled to us at the speed of light. One has been measured as having travelled three billion light years. If they did bend space-time to travel, they did it a very, very long time ago.

That's not beyond the realms of possibility. Their home planets could be older than ours. They may have been travelling intergalactically before our Solar System was formed.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

That's not beyond the realms of possibility. Their home planets could be older than ours.

Their home planet may be long gone, by now. We-re only just getting their news from three billion years ago.
 
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