#1Jan 28th, 2012
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This is how the weather operates. There's really no such thing as normal climate
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This is how the weather operates. There's really no such thing as normal climate
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
Interesting.
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There may not be a "normal" climate, but there are climates that are normal under certain conditions. That means there are normal climateS.
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There may not be a "normal" climate, but there are climates that are normal under certain conditions. That means there are normal climateS.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Space weather...and if you saw a lightning bolt, and said this is how our weather operates...you'd be wrong. It's not how, it's what can happen...This is how the weather operates.
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Sure there is. There's normal variability (the weather), and then there's abnormal. When the climate changes it means you're getting more abnormal weather...this is not rocket science.There's really no such thing as normal climate
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
We've been in this debate for some time now. It is plainly obvious that you are tired and worn beyond reason. You do not have to go down with the ship. Charge separation rules all. Electrical variability provides for evolution of matter and organics, don't be silly there is no normal.Space weather...and if you saw a lightning bolt, and said this is how our weather operates...you'd be wrong. It's not how, it's what can happen...
Sure there is. There's normal variability (the weather), and then there's abnormal. When the climate changes it means you're getting more abnormal weather...this is not rocket science.
Earths wind comes from solar wind, directly, notice the complete absence of hot air between the earth and the source of the wind.
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#5 Top Rated PostRe: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Bullshyte. Everytime you come up with one of these goofy "electric universe" hypotheses, Tonnington, I, or someone else manages to find the holes in it, yet you continue to spew your nonsense.We've been in this debate for some time now. It is plainly obvious that you are tired and worn beyond reason. You do not have to go down with the ship. Charge separation rules all. Electrical variability provides for evolution of matter and organics, don't be silly there is no normal.
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Bullshyte. Our winds come from activity between warm air and cold air.Earths wind comes from solar wind, directly, notice the complete absence of hot air between the earth and the source of the wind.
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#6Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
We have debated this already Tonnington.
It is clear that you lack reason.
You must cease and desist now.
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It is clear that you lack reason.
You must cease and desist now.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Displacement? Nahhhhhh! Displacement has NOTHING to do with weather Our winds come from activity between warm air and cold air.
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#8Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
So then all currents of air should be moving in the same direction? Indeed there should be only one current. There should be no such thing as Hadley Cells, no such thing as trade winds, no such thing as 'The Doldrums'. Earths wind comes from solar wind, directly, notice the complete absence of hot air between the earth and the source of the wind.
You peddle such flavourful nonsense. The solar wind is charged particles, which interact with out magnetic field. Compare the moon with no magnetosphere, to Earth, and then see what conclusions you can manage to mangle out of reality.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
What happens to charged particles inside our magnetosphere?So then all currents of air should be moving in the same direction? Indeed there should be only one current. There should be no such thing as Hadley Cells, no such thing as trade winds, no such thing as 'The Doldrums'.
You peddle such flavourful nonsense. The solar wind is charged particles, which interact with out magnetic field. Compare the moon with no magnetosphere, to Earth, and then see what conclusions you can manage to mangle out of reality.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Sometimes it heats the upper atmosphere and some of our atmosphere vents to space, other times the particles are trapped in the Van Allen belt. Some cosmic rays hit the surface, some hit particles in our atmosphere...What happens to charged particles inside our magnetosphere?
Our wind is not the same as the solar wind, and the solar wind is certainly not the foundation of our atmospheric circulation. There are far more important relationships, such as the rotation of our planet and the temperature gradient from the tropics to the poles.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
Our wind contains oodles of charged particles which are indeed influenced by the magnetosphere and aren't from space.
Can these influence weather?
Can these influence weather?
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#12Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Just because the wind contains charged particles, does not mean the wind is being forced by those charged particles...Our wind contains oodles of charged particles which are indeed influenced by the magnetosphere and aren't from space.
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There are far more important relationships...that's me repeating myself. I never said there is no influence, I'm simply disagreeing with the dim rodent's assertion relating the solar wind principally to our atmospheric circulations.Can these influence weather?
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
To a human there are no more important topics than what takes place within our magnetosphere.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
I'd say without a sun, the magnetosphere is a superfluous bit of physics for life on this planet.To a human there are no more important topics than what takes place within our magnetosphere.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
Your right, without a sun we'd have really ****ty weather but without a magnetosphere we'd have no weather at all.
#16
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Without a sun, there is no we...Your right, without a sun we'd have really ****ty weather
#17
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Jan 28th, 2012
There are arsenic eating microbes that have never seen the sun that would beg to differ.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Can they handle being frozen at close to -270 Celsius?There are arsenic eating microbes that have never seen the sun that would beg to differ.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Where? Is it on planet without a star? Or are you referring to the by now discredited NASA research about arsenic incorporation into the DNA of microbes?There are arsenic eating microbes that have never seen the sun that would beg to differ.
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#20Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
You have me confused with James Maxwell. The holes I wish you would find are in your logic.Bullshyte. Everytime you come up with one of these goofy "electric universe" hypotheses, Tonnington, I, or someone else manages to find the holes in it, yet you continue to spew your nonsense.
Bullshyte. Our winds come from activity between warm air and cold air.
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#21Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
So, please explain the logic gaps then rodent. Why is the weather on Earth so different from our moon? Why is the weather on Earth so different than on Mars?The holes I wish you would find are in your logic.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
No I don't.You have me confused with James Maxwell. The holes I wish you would find are in your logic.
How about you find some holes in my logic? Not only a dim rodent, but a lazy one at that.
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
And how come Mercury and Venus are still in orbit instead of flying outward through space at solar wind speed? So, please explain the logic gaps then rodent. Why is the weather on Earth so different from our moon? Why is the weather on Earth so different than on Mars?
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Because earth has a magnetosphere to keep an atmosphere in place.So, please explain the logic gaps then rodent. Why is the weather on Earth so different from our moon? Why is the weather on Earth so different than on Mars?
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
lol Mercury has one, other planets have them, etc.Because earth has a magnetosphere to keep an atmosphere in place.
"We are not alone (at least as magnetospheres go)
As magnetospheres go, though, the Earth is not anything too special. Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all have magnetospheres, and all but Mercury's dwarf ours. Our sister planets, Mars and Venus, are the oddballs: space probes have found no evidence of structured magnetic field lines on either planet, only traces. Since magnets lose their magnetism when heated a lot, it makes sense that Venus, where it is hot enough to melt lead, does not have a magnetosphere. Therefore, it is Mars that is the real mystery: it is pretty cold and is quite like Earth in many ways . . . so why no magnetosphere?" Magnetic Fields and Mars
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#25
Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
LOL Magnets? I hate to lean towards the beave and dynamic EM but I have no choice.
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Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Ah, so you now think that our weather originates from solar winds and magnetic fields. Good luck with that.LOL Magnets? I hate to lean towards the beave and dynamic EM but I have no choice.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012
Nope but our magnetosphere sure as **** isn't from "magnets".
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Ahh, and atmosphere is where the weather occurs...according to Beaver the atmosphere has naught to do with it at all. He says Earth wind comes from solar wind directly. If the atmosphere matters, then our wind can't come from solar wind directly, now can it?Because earth has a magnetosphere to keep an atmosphere in place.
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Re: X2 class solar flair
Jan 28th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
You disbelieve charge separation in space. If you can't get there it's no use going anywhere.So, please explain the logic gaps then rodent. Why is the weather on Earth so different from our moon? Why is the weather on Earth so different than on Mars?
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