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Francis2004
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Read the note on the bottom of page 9 ... --

If you would look at this form

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You would see that HALF is in English and the other HALF is exactly a match in French.. Is it that hard to compare the two and match the Block ?

This is a simple Fill in Names, Check off Yes or No.. There is no long answers to give.. How could Quebec ( a French Province ) make anymore simple for you ?

Or as ZZ says get a Lawyer or Notary Public and get the darn forms filled at minimum cost if your so afraid to do it yourself..
Last edited by Francis2004; Feb 1st, 2009 at 11:26 AM..
 
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004View Post

If you would look at this form

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You would see that HALF is in English and the other HALF is exactly a match in French.. Is it that hard to compare the two and match the Block ?

This is a simple Fill in Names, Check off Yes or No.. There is no long answers to give.. How could Quebec ( a French Province ) make anymore simple for you ?

Or as ZZ says get a Lawyer or Notary Public and get the darn forms filled at minimum cost..

My sister who speaks no Dutch just moved to a Dutch territory.. She had to go thru the whole thing for a second time and DID Not complain and say, OH MY GOD LETS RUN BACK TO CANADA..

Get real..
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Better yet. Respect the local population and learn the language. OK, to be fair to you, I do recognize that it's not easy to learn a second language. But learning the basics is doable at least.
 
Francis2004
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Better yet. Respect the local population and learn the language. OK, to be fair to you, I do recognize that it's not easy to learn a second language. But learning the basics is doable at least.

Machjo that is exactly what my sister is doing for the second time in her life.. She had the basics in Dutch and lost it when she moved away in 1985 but at almost 58 years old she is willing to learn it all again for the 3 to 5 years she will live there.. No complaining and no whining.. But they did have to complete the forms, including a full physical, police check and blah blah blah in Dutch.. They managed because they wanted to.. He is retired but took a working contract there for 3 years.

What I hated about this posting was the "I wanted to move back to the US.."

In 1979 I filled in US immigration documents and they ONLY came in ENGLISH. I didn't complain and throw a hissy fit.. I decided to move to BC instead of CA when I was accepted. I wonders if this person knows there is French people in the US ?

When in Rome do as the Romans..
 
taxslave
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Last I heard immigration was a Federal responsibility. The Federal government is officially bilingual so to not supply forms in English is a violation of your rights by a provincial government in an area that it has no jurisdiction.
 
Risus
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by tracyView Post

You can't just hire an interpreter? There are plenty of bilingual people in the province who could help you. I had to do that to get my living permit in the Czech republic. I guarantee you, it was a lot harder to find an English- Czech speaker in BC than it would be to find an English-French speaker in Quebec

Why should they have to go to the expense of hiring an interpreter??
Canada is officially bilingual, so quebec should abide by that and have the English option. If they don't like it, too bad...
 
Francis2004
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Last I heard immigration was a Federal responsibility. The Federal government is officially bilingual so to not supply forms in English is a violation of your rights by a provincial government in an area that it has no jurisdiction.


Sorry taxslave but the Conservatives gave Quebec the right to Immigration selection in 1991..

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#38

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Sounds to me like you need a interpreter/translator

On a side note and not targeted to the original poster, its not hard to learn the basics of the french language in Canada(especially in the east) even if you have trouble learning a 2nd language we are just surrounded by it. Ive learnt more from reading the french labels and street signs then from my french teachers as a child. But that's my opinion
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Last I heard immigration was a Federal responsibility. The Federal government is officially bilingual so to not supply forms in English is a violation of your rights by a provincial government in an area that it has no jurisdiction.

In Quebec, immigration is a provincial matter.
 
Machjo
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#40

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Why should they have to go to the expense of hiring an interpreter??
Canada is officially bilingual, so quebec should abide by that and have the English option. If they don't like it, too bad...

Quebec's official language is French, and I support that (if anything, other governments should follow Quebec's lead). Official bilingualism is too expensive. As for the 'too bad' part, I don't think any Quebec bureaucrat is sweating any bullets over this one. I think it's the applicant who's suffering from this.
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Sounds to me like you need a interpreter/translator

On a side note and not targeted to the original poster, its not hard to learn the basics of the french language in Canada(especially in the east) even if you have trouble learning a 2nd language we are just surrounded by it. Ive learnt more from reading the french labels and street signs then from my french teachers as a child. But that's my opinion

I do agree with bilingualism even if just as a means to a well-rounded education. It's quite shameful how many Canadians are monolingual, really. But I still believe that bilingulism should be an issue to be dealt with by the Ministries of educaiton through their schools, and not as a matter of internal governmetn administration. One has to do with education, the other with efficient use of human, paper and other resources aimed at efficient administration.
 
no color
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#42

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004View Post

If you would look at this form

--

You would see that HALF is in English and the other HALF is exactly a match in French.. Is it that hard to compare the two and match the Block ?

This is a simple Fill in Names, Check off Yes or No.. There is no long answers to give.. How could Quebec ( a French Province ) make anymore simple for you ?

Or as ZZ says get a Lawyer or Notary Public and get the darn forms filled at minimum cost if your so afraid to do it yourself..

Would it be ok to fill out the French form, using the English one as a guide including the part where we actually have to write stuff? That means the writing part will have to be in English as neither me nor my husband have any proficiency in French.

My husband is under the impression that even if he fills out the English form in English it will get approved as he did his public schooling in Quebec and is not required by law to know French.
 
no color
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#43

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004View Post

Machjo that is exactly what my sister is doing for the second time in her life.. She had the basics in Dutch and lost it when she moved away in 1985 but at almost 58 years old she is willing to learn it all again for the 3 to 5 years she will live there.. No complaining and no whining.. But they did have to complete the forms, including a full physical, police check and blah blah blah in Dutch.. They managed because they wanted to.. He is retired but took a working contract there for 3 years.

What I hated about this posting was the "I wanted to move back to the US.."

In 1979 I filled in US immigration documents and they ONLY came in ENGLISH. I didn't complain and throw a hissy fit.. I decided to move to BC instead of CA when I was accepted. I wonders if this person knows there is French people in the US ?

When in Rome do as the Romans..

Ok, I agree I have no rights as I was an immigrant to Canada myself. My by husband wasn't. He is a native of Montreal and did his entire public schooling in this city and he sure as heck deserves to get the damned forms in his own language in which he was schooled in. What is so hard to understand here?
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Would it be ok to fill out the French form, using the English one as a guide including the part where we actually have to write stuff? That means the writing part will have to be in English as neither me nor my husband have any proficiency in French.

My husband is under the impression that even if he fills out the English form in English it will get approved as he did his public schooling in Quebec and is not required by law to know French.

Worth giving it a try.
 
Risus
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#45

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Quebec's official language is French, and I support that (if anything, other governments should follow Quebec's lead). Official bilingualism is too expensive. As for the 'too bad' part, I don't think any Quebec bureaucrat is sweating any bullets over this one. I think it's the applicant who's suffering from this.

I don't know why anyone would want to move to quebec anyway. Ultimately quebec loses.
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Would it be ok to fill out the French form, using the English one as a guide including the part where we actually have to write stuff? That means the writing part will have to be in English as neither me nor my husband have any proficiency in French.

My husband is under the impression that even if he fills out the English form in English it will get approved as he did his public schooling in Quebec and is not required by law to know French.

Worth a try.
 
Zzarchov
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#47

Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Ok, I agree I have no rights as I was an immigrant to Canada myself. My by husband wasn't. He is a native of Montreal and did his entire public schooling in this city and he sure as heck deserves to get the damned forms in his own language in which he was schooled in. What is so hard to understand here?


That you are whining about the official language of an area you want to move in?

Quebec is not Bilingual. The US is not any damn better, its worse in terms of language. I agree Quebec isn't awesome, but then move somewhere else in the country.
 
Machjo
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Ok, I agree I have no rights as I was an immigrant to Canada myself. My by husband wasn't. He is a native of Montreal and did his entire public schooling in this city and he sure as heck deserves to get the damned forms in his own language in which he was schooled in. What is so hard to understand here?

I disagree with a few points here:

Before you set foot on Quebec soil, I believe that Quebec had every moral right to require you to know French before accepting you. Now that you are an immigrant, though, I disagree with your opinion that you should have no rights as an immigrant. Quebec accepted you not knowing French, so they have a moral obligation in my opinion, now that they have accepted you, to provide you with services in a language you know.

I do agree though that, having failed to teach your husband English, the government of Quebec has a moral obligation to provide your husband with services in English.

I emphasize moral to distinguish it from legal. Obviously law and justice are not always the same thing.
 
Francis2004
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 1st, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by no colorView Post

Ok, I agree I have no rights as I was an immigrant to Canada myself. My by husband wasn't. He is a native of Montreal and did his entire public schooling in this city and he sure as heck deserves to get the damned forms in his own language in which he was schooled in. What is so hard to understand here?

Oh for crying out loud.. Your husband this, your husband that.. You have an excuse for everything..

I am FRENCH and moved to BC who does not have ENGLISH Forms.. Did I whine when I moved here.. No I freaken managed to deal with the ISSUES of my own COUNTRY.. Provincial Forms in BC are in English ONLY..

If Quebec is so terrible tell me why you would want to bring another person into the a place ??????

Deal with it and get on with life..
 
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Re: Only French speaking persons permitted to sponsor family class immigrants in Quebec

Feb 2nd, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004View Post

Oh for crying out loud.. Your husband this, your husband that.. You have an excuse for everything..

I am FRENCH and moved to BC who does not have ENGLISH Forms.. Did I whine when I moved here.. No I freaken managed to deal with the ISSUES of my own COUNTRY.. Provincial Forms in BC are in English ONLY..

If Quebec is so terrible tell me why you would want to bring another person into the a place ??????

Deal with it and get on with life..

Do I detect animosity on your part?

You are comparing Quebec with BC. Let me ask you a question or two. Does BC have publically funded French schools and universities? Does BC have designated French hospitals and majority French speaking towns? If so, then it would be possible for someone in BC to live their entire lives only in French the same way it is possible to live your day to day life soley in English in Montreal. In that case you would need the French forms in BC. HOWEVER, SOMEONE IN BC NOW STILL CAN GET FRENCH FORMS TO FILL OUT TO SPONSOR A FAMILY MEMBER, UNLIKE IN QUEBEC WHERE FILLING OUT ENGLISH SPONSORSHIP FORMS ARE A THING OF THE PAST.

Why does the government here set up a situation where someone goes through the system learning English and then gets screwed when they have to fill out forms in French? IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FRENCH ONLY FORMS, GET RID OF ENGLISH INSTITUTIONS IN MONTREAL SO YOU WOULD'NT HAVE A BUNCH OF ENGLISH SPEAKING FOLKS STUCK WITH FILLING OUT FRENCH FORMS.

Back in the US, this situation could not occur. We do not have publically funded Hispanic schools, therefore everyone there gets channeled through the English school system. Officials there are carefull as a person's civil rights would most certainly be violated when forms are not available in their language of schooling in their home town.

It's a crying shame, cause aside from the damned sponsorship forms, Montreal is a terrific city.
Last edited by no color; Feb 2nd, 2009 at 06:25 PM..
 

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