Racial tensions in Quebec in spotlight again after taekwondo hijab incident


IdRatherBeSkiing
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This seems to be an old topic but the first I heard about it. It seems simple to me. The Taiquando(sp) Federation had a list of acceptable clothing and equipment. Anything not on the list is not allowed. If they want to compete, they need to only use the regulation equipment. They don't have the right to compete in a tournament if they don't follow tornement rules. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. They chose not to remove the illegal equipment and not compete. Their choice. End of story really.
 
Pangloss
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If someone said they had to wear a tin foil suit while operating on my appendix because it "showed respect to his alien overlord" I'd call him a nutter and tell the hospital to get another surgeon.

If someone says I have to accommodate their customs because of an invisible man in the sky, I'll call them a nutter as well.

Why do religious claims get a free pass from the rest of us? Why do we not say "Ok, this is your faith, and it says you cannot drive on Saturday. I guess I won't hire you to be my driver. You won't remove your turban? I guess industrial construction or firefighting are out of the question, then. The hajib won't go? Then no martial arts competition for you."

If I have parents or grandparents that are Quakers, I can tell the armed forces, in time of war, that I am a Quaker and I will get a free pass to not fight. If, however, I am a secular humanist and I have the most well thought out philosophy of why I won't fight, I will be lucky if I don't end up conscripted or in jail.

Put religious claims on exactly the same footing as any other.

Pangloss
 
thomaska
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By Jonathan Montpetit
LONGUEUIL, Que. (CP) - A taekwondo team of Muslim girls withdrew from a tournament on Sunday after they were barred from taking part with their hijabs, threatening to re-ignite Quebec's contentious debate about accommodating religious minorities.
"I feel very sad because we practised so hard," said 11-year-old Bissan Mansour, who wears a hijab. "We pulled out for a useless reason."
Referees at the Quebec regional Raymond Mourad Championship met Sunday morning, the first day of the tournament, to talk about rules and regulations.
During the discussion, it was brought up that a team from a Muslim community centre in Montreal would be competing with their hijabs.
"The equipment that is allowed under the World Taekwondo Federation rules doesn't include the hijab," said international referee Stephane Menard, who took part in the meeting.
"We applied the rules to the letter."
The team, made up of girls between eight and 12 years old, went home following the decision. A boys team from the same community centre also withdrew upon hearing the news.
Tournament founder Raymond Mourad said he wanted officials to let the Muslim girls compete this time, but his pleas went unheard.
"The kids who came today, we could have let them compete and warned them for next time," Mourad said. "I tried my hardest to do that, but the referee didn't want to hear it."
Officials said the decision was taken for security reasons. Taekwondo is a martial art that involves mainly kicking and throwing, and the fear is that part of the hijab could come loose during a bout.
The sport's international rules stipulate that players must not wear anything under their protective helmets.
Jean Faucher, president of the provincial taekwando federation, ultimately made the decision to apply the rules concerning hijabs.
"I am not a racist or anything," Faucher said. "It's a rule and I'm a guy for the rules."
But May Haydar of the Montreal Muslim Community Centre said the team had participated in the tournament in recent years without any controversy over the wearing of hijabs.
"We believe it's unfair and it's discriminatory against Muslims," Haydar said.
"The girls, they're very disappointed... Some of them, of course, don't understand why this happened because they participated before."
A coach for the boys team said the girls always practise with their hijabs and there has never been an incident.
Concerns about accommodations to minorities have been simmering in Quebec for the past several months, and Sunday's controversy fuelled fears the debate is simply alienating Quebec's cultural communities.
The Canadian Council of American-Islamic Relations said the decision won't encourage Muslim women to participate in sports.
"This recent fixation on the hijab is only serving to marginalize Muslim women who wish to participate in athletic activity," the Ottawa-based organization said.
The "reasonable accommodation" debate has become so intense that Premier Jean Charest has struck a committee to study the issue.
It's the second time in recent months the hijab has caused controversy at an amateur sporting event in Quebec involving pre-teens.
In February, an 11-year-old Muslim girl from Ottawa was asked to remove her hijab at a soccer tournament in Laval, north of Montreal, due to safety concerns. She refused and her team pulled out of the tournament.
During last month's provincial election, Quebec's chief returning officer received threats and was forced to overturn a ruling that allowed woman to vote while wearing a niqab, a more extensive face covering than the hijab.
The long-line of racially charged incidents also include:
-A Montreal Muslim woman who recently complained she was forced to chose between her hijab and a job as a prison guard.
-Herouxville, a small town in rural Quebec that set up a code of conduct for would-be immigrants.
-A Montreal community health centre under fire for holding women-only pre-natal classes to make Muslim, Sikh or Hindu women feel more comfortable.


Copyright © 2007 Canadian Press


Why do they need Taekwondo? Why not just blow something up instead of kicking it?


Just kidding... If anyone was offended please "unwad" your thong now.

But really..dontcha think they knew this was going to be an issue when they signed up for the tournament?

Of course they did.

Just some free publicity for the Muslims. I'm not blaming the girls, I'm blaming their coaches and everyone else who was involved in setting them up for failure and heartache.
 
obscure island
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hi guys I am very intersted in this topic,because i am a saudi girl .i will be on next january in montreal to study the master in concordia.i am goning to wear the moderate kind of hijab not niqab.does this put me in arisk i mean is this not allowed in classes.

I have choosen canada because its multiculturism and tolerance.and my mission here is to study and get experiance .I bear in mind that one must respect other nations and rules...

i hope you accept me a new friend here ...............thanx
 
obscure island
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hi everybody ....I am still waiting for an answer .........thanx anyhow
 
hermanntrude
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#36
I'm not really sure of the actual rules on hijabs, but I do know it's not unusual to see them being worn in the street or at the university here. Some people find them kind of strange, I suppose, but I doubt there's anything to stop you wearing whatever you please at university.

Yesterday I saw a girl showing so much cleavage I could see some nipple. I'd say that's more likely to be banned than a hijab
 
karrie
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Hey obscure,

Wearing a hijab isn't usually a problem. But don't expect to be able to wear it in sports or at some types of work (where it might pose a safety risk). During classes it is fine, and in a college setting there are no rules against it.

If you're really worried about it though, contact Concordia, and pose the question with them. Explain you've seen some of the 'anti-hijab' articles coming from Quebec, and would like to know the school's stance on day to day wear.
 
obscure island
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hermanntrude hi again i am glad that you answerd me ....your words show a great deal of understanding .i really appreciate it.

kirre i am gonna take your advice and contact concordia .i am so thankfull .
 
hermanntrude
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it's quite common to see sikhs wearing turbans. I think the issues usually only arise in school classrooms (not university or colleges) and in sports and some industries.
 
obscure island
#40
ok this is good news...
 
s_lone
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Obscure Island,

I studied myself at Concordia University from 2004 to 2006 and I really wouldn't worry too much about wearing your hijab in school. Of course, you can expect getting the odd looks and perhaps, even some frowning, but that would be the case anywhere... Montreal is very 'live and let live'...

Welcome in Montreal... I hope you like it here... (when you come)
 
obscure island
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s-lone thank you for your welcoming words.....of course some frowining does not at all put anyone at risk.i really like your words describing montreal "live and let live" i am sure i will like it ....thanx again...
 
EagleSmack
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Maybe it is Canadian culture that tells them to stick by the rules of the sport. I am all for that. Why must the Western nations bend to muslims while muslims enforce strict conduct on western culture in muslim nations. Why are their values given priority over ours? When people from the west visit those countries they must adhere to their law. Fine. When they are here they must abide by our laws and rules.
 
obscure island
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hi friend ..i am the type of people that respects others rules and uderstand them. i think this is obvious from my question when i wrote " my mission is to study and get experience and i know that one must respect the rules of the other nations",,,so in any case your rules for me is not a point of disscusion.and i was just asking is hijab allowed or not .sport anyway is not my interest .i am only interested in watching it on TV.

thanx for your point of view...
Last edited by obscure island; Sep 14th, 2007 at 04:32 PM..Reason: spelling mistake
 
hermanntrude
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#45
your attitude to sport is wise, I think.

Feel free to join in some of the other discussions (although possibly not the ones about goats, unless you're made of strong stuff), we'd enjoy hearing your views on other subjects
 
obscure island
#46
excuse me hermanntrude .....what do you mean by goats you know this metaphorical language is beyond my comprehension..anyway i am really looking forward partisipating in other subjects
 
hermanntrude
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#47
There are a few people online who are currently making rude jokes about goats. I mentioned it by way of a warning. Try not to be too shocked, they're only having fun
 

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