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September 20th, 2006, 05:50 PM
This may be a touchy subject...
I was reading some stats today, and it appears that crime is really high in Saskatoon (first place across Canada!). The indexes and a quick search on the web (various articles describing robberies, murders, car thefts etc) painted a rather grim image of what I used to consider a "nice little Prairies town". Is it possible that I was grossly mistaken? I mean, for someone living in Montreal (a city with an apparently elevated crime rate), this comes as a shock to me.
So - what's the situation out there? I tend to take with a grain of salt discourses like "I'm afraid to walk into the streets of Saskatoon's downtown at 5pm" or "many of my female colleagues have been mugged/nearly raped/etc in broad daylight" or anything similar; on the other hand, I'm ready to admit that the (sad) reality is sometimes worse than fiction... so, honestly - which one is it?
This may be a touchy subject...
I was reading some stats today, and it appears that crime is really high in Saskatoon (first place across Canada!). The indexes and a quick search on the web (various articles describing robberies, murders, car thefts etc) painted a rather grim image of what I used to consider a "nice little Prairies town". Is it possible that I was grossly mistaken? I mean, for someone living in Montreal (a city with an apparently elevated crime rate), this comes as a shock to me.
So - what's the situation out there? I tend to take with a grain of salt discourses like "I'm afraid to walk into the streets of Saskatoon's downtown at 5pm" or "many of my female colleagues have been mugged/nearly raped/etc in broad daylight" or anything similar; on the other hand, I'm ready to admit that the (sad) reality is sometimes worse than fiction... so, honestly - which one is it?
Bright Spark
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September 20th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Native Canadian have by far the highest crime rate in Canada. Saskatoon has a much higher percent of natives than Montreal, etc. I don't know the stats but prisons in Saskatchewan and Manitoba have way more native inmates than their percent of the population.
Native Canadian have by far the highest crime rate in Canada. Saskatoon has a much higher percent of natives than Montreal, etc. I don't know the stats but prisons in Saskatchewan and Manitoba have way more native inmates than their percent of the population.
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September 20th, 2006, 07:00 PM
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OK, that I understand -- but would Saskatoon be an unsafe city? less safe than, say, Montreal or Toronto?
Native Canadian have by far the highest crime rate in Canada. Saskatoon has a much higher percent of natives than Montreal, etc. I don't know the stats but prisons in Saskatchewan and Manitoba have way more native inmates than their percent of the population.
Bright Spark
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September 20th, 2006, 07:15 PM
I've been to Saskatoon a few times and it's one of my favorite cities in Canada. I didn't even think about crime or related issues.
Crime stats are quirky indicators of how safe or unsafe a city is for the average law abiding citizen. In many cities 'violent' crime is largely confined to activities within certain circles. Here in Calgary there is rarely a violent incident that is random in nature. Murders are usually gang related or domestic. When I was a university student in Montreal in the mid 70's, the city had a high murder rate...but 98% was gang on gang and Montreal was a city in which a woman coud feel quite safe walking the streets after midnight.
I've been to Saskatoon a few times and it's one of my favorite cities in Canada. I didn't even think about crime or related issues.
Crime stats are quirky indicators of how safe or unsafe a city is for the average law abiding citizen. In many cities 'violent' crime is largely confined to activities within certain circles. Here in Calgary there is rarely a violent incident that is random in nature. Murders are usually gang related or domestic. When I was a university student in Montreal in the mid 70's, the city had a high murder rate...but 98% was gang on gang and Montreal was a city in which a woman coud feel quite safe walking the streets after midnight.
Bright Spark
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Location: In Monsoon West (B.C)
Location: In Monsoon West (B.C)
September 20th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Why do people pin Native Canadians and crime, do you think all of them just commit crime?
Because if you do I have about 200 people where i live that can tell you differently. And they will not be amused by such thoughts.
Why do people pin Native Canadians and crime, do you think all of them just commit crime?
Because if you do I have about 200 people where i live that can tell you differently. And they will not be amused by such thoughts.
just special
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Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
September 20th, 2006, 10:51 PM
The crime rate in both Saskatoon and Regina is WAY above all major cities. This (do some research) has been spiralling upwards in the last 4 years due to an increase in crimes ,mostly petty, committed by natives in the downtown cores. Hold off on the knee-jerk cries of racism.It is a fact. The government decided that natives were not being treated fairly in the "white" justice system. So they decided on alternative sentencing which was ,except for serious crimes,designed to HEAL rather than punish.What a mess. Take away any deterrent to crime and it will flourish.There may be 200 or 300 people who do not commit crimes,good for them, but take a walk through the core of Regina or Saskatoon and your eyes will be opened.
The crime rate in both Saskatoon and Regina is WAY above all major cities. This (do some research) has been spiralling upwards in the last 4 years due to an increase in crimes ,mostly petty, committed by natives in the downtown cores. Hold off on the knee-jerk cries of racism.It is a fact. The government decided that natives were not being treated fairly in the "white" justice system. So they decided on alternative sentencing which was ,except for serious crimes,designed to HEAL rather than punish.What a mess. Take away any deterrent to crime and it will flourish.There may be 200 or 300 people who do not commit crimes,good for them, but take a walk through the core of Regina or Saskatoon and your eyes will be opened.
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September 20th, 2006, 11:15 PM
Alternative sentencing for native offenders has been gospel. If it's not working then we should be told about it. And those who aggressively supported it in the first place should be tagged for an explanation. There has to be accountability here. It's long been known that many western penitentiary populations are disproportionately native. If there's a problem in First Nations communities that can be fixed we should work on it. But fuzzying the picture with political correctness has to be a big upfront no no. We're backward in Canada on such issues. It has to stop.
Alternative sentencing for native offenders has been gospel. If it's not working then we should be told about it. And those who aggressively supported it in the first place should be tagged for an explanation. There has to be accountability here. It's long been known that many western penitentiary populations are disproportionately native. If there's a problem in First Nations communities that can be fixed we should work on it. But fuzzying the picture with political correctness has to be a big upfront no no. We're backward in Canada on such issues. It has to stop.
just special
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Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
September 20th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Tamarin,I concur.The disproportion that you speak of,is not disproportionate to the crimes committed.It is disproportionate to the % of population. The problem lies with the parents and band leaders who do not want the children to join the 21st century. In real estate the mantra is location.location,location.In society it should be education,education,education.
Tamarin,I concur.The disproportion that you speak of,is not disproportionate to the crimes committed.It is disproportionate to the % of population. The problem lies with the parents and band leaders who do not want the children to join the 21st century. In real estate the mantra is location.location,location.In society it should be education,education,education.
Bright Spark
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September 21st, 2006, 08:48 AM
"It's long been known that many western penitentiary populations are disproportionately native."
About 74% of criminal offences in Saskatchewan are commited by natives but natives make up only 52% of the prison population. By this measure natives are under represented in Sask prisons. It's nice to promote 'healing lodges', etc. unless one is a child beaten or girl raped by their uncle when he returns from one of these lodges instead of being locked up in prison. The victims of many violent native crime are vulnerable natives such as children and the elder. An abused native child needs protection and has no less value than any other.
"It's long been known that many western penitentiary populations are disproportionately native."
About 74% of criminal offences in Saskatchewan are commited by natives but natives make up only 52% of the prison population. By this measure natives are under represented in Sask prisons. It's nice to promote 'healing lodges', etc. unless one is a child beaten or girl raped by their uncle when he returns from one of these lodges instead of being locked up in prison. The victims of many violent native crime are vulnerable natives such as children and the elder. An abused native child needs protection and has no less value than any other.
Knows No Bounds
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September 21st, 2006, 09:45 AM
Athabaska, the key to understanding 'disproportionate' would be knowing the native component of the general population in a province like Saskatchewan.. What percentage of Saskatchewan is native? (Yah, I should look it up myself!) Is it close to 52% or hovering in the 25% area?
Athabaska, the key to understanding 'disproportionate' would be knowing the native component of the general population in a province like Saskatchewan.. What percentage of Saskatchewan is native? (Yah, I should look it up myself!) Is it close to 52% or hovering in the 25% area?
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September 21st, 2006, 09:47 AM
I don't think there's one single city in this world without its dangerous areas; but that's one thing, while "downton Saskatoon (or Edmonton, yes, I've heard that too!) is a place you must(!) avoid, even at 5pm" seems to be far-fetched; but again, never been to Sask-City, never been to Edmonton either, so I wouldn't know - I'm just relying on my "hey, c'mon, this is Canada, not Afghanistan" gut feeling.
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So, you're saying that criminal offences are more or less confined to native environments, and not geared towards the general population? if I parked my car in a typical parking lot, it wouldn't be more likely to get stolen in Saskatoon (vs.say, Montreal), unless that parking lot happened to be in a ghetto-like area?
"It's long been known that many western penitentiary populations are disproportionately native."
About 74% of criminal offences in Saskatchewan are commited by natives but natives make up only 52% of the prison population. By this measure natives are under represented in Sask prisons. It's nice to promote 'healing lodges', etc. unless one is a child beaten or girl raped by their uncle when he returns from one of these lodges instead of being locked up in prison. The victims of many violent native crime are vulnerable natives such as children and the elder. An abused native child needs protection and has no less value than any other.
About 74% of criminal offences in Saskatchewan are commited by natives but natives make up only 52% of the prison population. By this measure natives are under represented in Sask prisons. It's nice to promote 'healing lodges', etc. unless one is a child beaten or girl raped by their uncle when he returns from one of these lodges instead of being locked up in prison. The victims of many violent native crime are vulnerable natives such as children and the elder. An abused native child needs protection and has no less value than any other.
I don't think there's one single city in this world without its dangerous areas; but that's one thing, while "downton Saskatoon (or Edmonton, yes, I've heard that too!) is a place you must(!) avoid, even at 5pm" seems to be far-fetched; but again, never been to Sask-City, never been to Edmonton either, so I wouldn't know - I'm just relying on my "hey, c'mon, this is Canada, not Afghanistan" gut feeling.
Bright Spark
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September 21st, 2006, 01:56 PM
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It all depends what percentage is being considered as diproportionate. The percentage of a race in the population or the percentage of perps of a given group. Aboriginals are sent to prison less frequently than whites when they commit the same crime. Also the white guy is more likely to be charged in the first place. Back in Manitoba the RCMP wouldn't touch most Crees unless it was really bad or the band itself wanted the perp hauled off.
Athabaska, the key to understanding 'disproportionate' would be knowing the native component of the general population in a province like Saskatchewan.. What percentage of Saskatchewan is native? (Yah, I should look it up myself!) Is it close to 52% or hovering in the 25% area?
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Location: Newfoundland
Location: Newfoundland
September 21st, 2006, 03:04 PM
Where there is poverty there is crime. Unfortunately there is poverty in many places that have a high Native Canadian population like Regina or Saskatoon. I lived i n Regina for years and it is not a dangerous city, but I did have my truck broken into three times one week. Who knows if those thieves were Native or not? I sure don't. The ones that broke into my suburban house sure were. I do know that if you look at the youth correctional facility there you will mostly see Native kids. It's a shame.
I never once was scared for my own safety, just my posessions. Even in Victoria park late at night.
Where there is poverty there is crime. Unfortunately there is poverty in many places that have a high Native Canadian population like Regina or Saskatoon. I lived i n Regina for years and it is not a dangerous city, but I did have my truck broken into three times one week. Who knows if those thieves were Native or not? I sure don't. The ones that broke into my suburban house sure were. I do know that if you look at the youth correctional facility there you will mostly see Native kids. It's a shame.
I never once was scared for my own safety, just my posessions. Even in Victoria park late at night.
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September 21st, 2006, 04:54 PM
I don't think poverty is the chief culprit. Far more important is the lack of cohesive, functional families. Rural Canada was poor in the 1950's and 1960's and crime was low. But families were strong and father figures predominant. If you want kids into crime have them raised by single parents and in areas where such units are the norm.
I don't think poverty is the chief culprit. Far more important is the lack of cohesive, functional families. Rural Canada was poor in the 1950's and 1960's and crime was low. But families were strong and father figures predominant. If you want kids into crime have them raised by single parents and in areas where such units are the norm.
