Crime stats in Saskatoon (Saskatoon Crime)

Right or Wrong...I'm not sure about the equality of treatment by the Justice System. Many factors are
taken into account before sentencing is decided upon. Here's a weird one buried in the CCC as 718.2(e)
but I don't know that it is taken into account on a regular basis or not. Everyone thinks they are more
persecuted than the next guy, so who knows...


Criminal Code
PART XXIII: SENTENCING
Purpose and Principles of Sentencing

718.2 A court that imposes a sentence shall also take into consideration the following principles:
(a) a sentence should be increased or reduced to account for any relevant aggravating or mitigating circumstances relating to the offence or the offender, and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing,
(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor,
(ii) evidence that the offender, in committing the offence, abused the offender’s spouse or common-law partner,
(ii.1) evidence that the offender, in committing the offence, abused a person under the age of eighteen years,
(iii) evidence that the offender, in committing the offence, abused a position of trust or authority in relation to the victim,
(iv) evidence that the offence was committed for the benefit of, at the direction of or in association with a criminal organization, or
(v) evidence that the offence was a terrorism offence
shall be deemed to be aggravating circumstances;
(b) a sentence should be similar to sentences imposed on similar offenders for similar offences committed in similar circumstances;
(c) where consecutive sentences are imposed, the combined sentence should not be unduly long or harsh;
(d) an offender should not be deprived of liberty, if less restrictive sanctions may be appropriate in the circumstances; and
(e) all available sanctions other than imprisonment that are reasonable in the circumstances should be considered for all offenders, with particular attention to the circumstances of aboriginal offenders.
1995, c. 22, s. 6; 1997, c. 23, s. 17; 2000, c. 12, s. 95; 2001, c. 32, s. 44(F), c. 41, s. 20; 2005, c. 32, s. 25.

One early morning I was going to work when something ruined my day. I went outside to get in my recently purchased lexus LS 2008 when i noticed there was some sort of hood rat code spray painted across the side. The paper boy told me that it read "Johnny Rockstar". I couldn't believe some dirty indian with 2 brain cells had vandalized my car. I had to take the hummer because my wife had the other lexus, (we bought the same ones) and i couldnt even finish my frappacinno because i was so depressed.. I fear for my family's safety. The crime here is has gotten so bad. I hope I never run into this so called "Johnny Rockstar", I hear he's killed people. Apparently he lives by the skateboard park, which is even scarier to think about.

lol... you'll make a welcome addition around here.

That is funny!

People, we need to stop looking at this as natives vs. the colonizers. We are becoming one people with every new generation, we need to look at this issue as a COMMUNITY that we are all a part of. In my own life, this is very apparent, as I have been married to a Native man, and my own sister is also part Native, while I myself am of Ukrainian/German decent.

That being said, there are a lot of reasons why native peoples are disproportionately represented in the Saskatchewan jail system, ranging from racism in the system itself(from the police, lawyers, and judges), dysfunction in native families(caused by many different things, like the residence schools, and addictions), and poverty. It is a very complicated issue that isn't going to go away until it is tackled realistically by everyone involved, and to do that we have to start looking at each other as individual people, and not a product of our race. We are, after all, all in this together.

solitaryrose, welcome aboard.

I don't think this is a matter of the proportion of crimes in Saskatoon that are reported. Saskatoon leads Canada in violent crime. It did in both 2006 and 2007, taking over from Regina, also in Saskatchewan. These are major crimes, whenever reported. Saskatoon led Canada in murder in 2007, as well as rape, and typically leads, or is near the top, of Canada in terms of: rape, murder, assault, robbery etc.

Saskatoon is a less safe city than Toronto, Vancouver etc. At over 1,600 violent crimes per 100,000 population, its violent crime rate is over double that of Toronto, and the worst in Canada. Maybe the east suburbs are okay (though still burglary and car theft) BUT even down town Saskatoon has a very high rate of armed robbery and assaults. Not a safe city, and aside from its nice river park, the rest is quite dingy, dated and dirty.

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Saskatoon, tops in Robbery, Homicide and Total Violent Crime for 2007

Saskatoon is a dangerous place.
The numbers aren't even close (except for maybe #2 Regina)

Saskatoon is #1! Woo-hoo!

Yup, when I went to make a deposit or withdrawl at my bank in Confed I had my shotgun under the seat of my truck, oh yeah, and a .45 in the pocket of my parka.

Oh and I lived in Saskatoon for 5 years,
Have lived in Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg...

Saskatoon is the dirtiest, most crime ridden city I have ever lived in
Moved here because it was dirt cheap
Would NOT move here under current conditions, only moved here because a house was worth half as much as anywhere else.

Plan to move to Edmonton (or even Regina) for substantial raise and cheaper housing - just waiting out my current emloyment contract.

Heck, I'd move to Winnipeg, on par with Saskatoon, and I can get a $100,000 on my trade in to buy an M3!

dirkdigler; I'm a bit biased, I don't like cities at all, or people for that matter, I'm a bit of a curmudgeon, but I would take Regina over Edmonton. The last city I lived in was Calgary, but I lived close to many others. Edmonton is a ditch, they have the worst road system I know of, and a had a city council that, (at least when I was there) belonged in Romper Room. The only city I know of that would re-elect a mayor after he was convicted of and served time for fraud, and not only that, name a park after him.

Ok, has someone who has lived in Saskatoon their WHOLE life. I must point out that while the crime rate is high, it is very saturated in only certain areas. Call them ghettos if you will. In comparison to other cities I wouldn't say Saskatoon is unsafe. It all depends on the time and place. The west side of the city tends to have the highest ratio of native vs other races. The Native are the fast growing minority in Saskatchewan and it is predicted that in a few years their population will move up to 50%. The average age of the natives is believe it or not 16! So the crime rate has a lot to do with young, unemployed families struggling to make ends meet. This isn't completely isolated to the native community but they do have a horrible track record. I have heard stories from close loved ones of being aggressively confronted in broad daylight. The riverbank in the evenning is a hot-spot for stabbings, the Confederation area constantly having cars stolen, more stabbings, muggings, prostitution ,etc. However, in the Northend (where I live) there is almost no crime. I can go for a walk late at night in the park if I want to without fear of sudden demise. Like I said though, it all depends on time and where you are. Saskatoon is a lovely city but like very city it has its ghettos.

Dropped 18% in Regina last year. Did they just move to Saskatoon?

We report all crimes and most of the crimes are small things like an unarmed robbery...

Here it is, Flatout. This is from a guy in Regina. Saskatoon has a high Rate of Crime. BUT that is based on Per Capital. There is still more murders in Toronto, or other places. It's just there is alot of crime for such a small population, other then that. I think Saskatoon is a really nice city. I know people who live there, I know people who go to school there. I here just as much stuff happening in Regina, then I do Saskatoon.

To KrazedKat ^ Above my first post^

If you consider Unarmed Robbery a Small thing, then, I'm glad you are far more well off then most people, who can barely afford the wallet there money is in. This is also not true, as I have seen A large of amount of Knife robberies, as well as stab victims.

Well at least they got #1 in something....

Pretty sad when someone actually looks forward to moving to Edmonton.

What part of per capita dont you understand?. By your logic a city of 1000 with 100 murders a year is safer than a city of 10000 with 101 murders a year because there is less murders.... Generalizing and entire city because of your personal experiences is bad.

Dune44, Welcome to Canadian Content Forums.

Sensfan, that is entirely, not what I'm saying, at all. -_-. What I am SAYING is, because Saskatoon has a high rate of Crime doesn't mean it is an unsafe city to live in, It just means there is more occurrences with less people. Say a town of 600 people, 10 decided to kill there neighbor, this town is now the most dangerous town in the country. "no" wrong. That town can still be safer to live in then a town with no murders, just because of those 10 people.

You have such a good heart, vinod.

I wish the murder rate were higher in Regina. Each one means one less gang banging glass dick sucking ****head wannabe on the streets jacking my stereo.

There is absolutely nothing healthy about victimization, Creeman. Closure might be a better choice of words, don’t you think. Yes, people can chose to be seen as victims, definitely it is their right. Why one would chose to do so is another question. And, from what I have learned over the years, victimization is not a part of the grieving process, nor has it ever been.

Answers.com: Victimization
Thesaurus: victimization
noun
An act of cheating: cheat, fraud, swindle. Informal flimflam. Slang gyp. See honest/dishonest.

In sociology, the institutionalized pressure to participate in a form of violent behavior that can be dangerous to health and safety. In some contact sports this is regarded as largely normative by those involved, and injuries are regarded as a natural consequence of participation.

WordNet: victimization
The noun has 2 meanings:
Meaning #1: adversity resulting from being made a victim
Meaning #2: an act that exploits or victimizes someone (treats them unfairly)
Synonyms: exploitation, victimisation, using

Understanding Victimization
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Victimization is the event or incident leading to a victim state.

Victimizing events tend to be of high intensity and short duration (e.g. robbery, assault, serious accident, sudden death). Essentially, there are three stages of victimization:

1. Impact - Initial Reaction
• Signs and symptoms of stress to traumatic events such as shock, numbness, helplessness, vulnerability, disorientation, perspiration, physical agitation, disbelief, anger, fear, frustration, confusion, guilt, grief, etc.

2. Recoil

• Cognitive attempts to deal with the event
• Denial - trying to go on as though nothing has happened
• Blaming others
• Self blame - “I must have deserved this”
• Obsessive - repeated return to the event and its ramifications
• Compensatory fantasies and planning - phobic reactions

3. Reorganization
• Return to a state of equilibrium
• Victim calls upon supports for help
• Focus on life-enhancing rather than simply existing
• Obsessive fears and reactions are modulated
• Victim is better able to cope with occasional flashbacks
• Victim moves toward making life better rather than simply living day-to-day

Secondary victimization may occur because the victim is subjected to someone who:
• Cannot comprehend what the victim is struggling with
• Minimizes or disparages the experience and feelings of the victim
• Is in denial of their own losses and therefore it is difficult to recognize someone else’s suffering
• Lacks relevant information about post traumatic stress disorder
• Believes in the “Just World Theory” that says the world is rational and the consequences are in accordance with justice (people get what they deserve)



Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

Our forefathers may have been in error in the manner they chose to implement Indian policies, however many of them did so with decent intentions in mind. The fact that history judges Canada to be a much more benign government when it comes to the treatment of Aboriginals, compared to several other countries, is a testament to their endevors. Just ask some of your Cherokee brothers about their thoughts on Indian policy in the States.



Neither are native peoples themselves, Creeman. History also records the numerous slaughters perpetrated by one segment of a native community upon another. Further, history tells us of the many native people who kept slaves and from what I remember, not all of those slaves were treated kindly.

Generalizations do not advance the discourse, Creeman. Be more specific in your claims, please.


And why ever not??? I know many Aboriginal Christian people.

If I am following this correctly, you are saying that the land doesn’t belong to anyone. However, it is the duty of all Earth’s people to take care of it. I agree heartily, and try my best to do just that. I have no idea what you mean by ‘that’s the difference.’


More generalizations. I belong to the majority of Canadians who take Aboriginal rights and claims very seriously. I come from a ‘race’ of people who know only too well the meaning of oppression, enforced assimilation, and the loss of our ancestral lands. I am of Celtic heritage. Hundreds of years were small slices of time in the history of our oppression by various countries. "Your" oppression did not start "hundreds of years ago", Canada simply hasn't been around that long. If you want to go back that far, you best discuss the very beneficial relationship some native tribes had as fur traders with early Canadians.

Nothing is either black or white, there are always shades of grey to any argument.

You have made my decent and important points in this topic. You will enhance your opinions by being more specific in your posts.



Ah, ‘gustafsen lake 1995’, I remember that well. That particular fiasco took place not more than a two hour drive from where I live. Tourism operators, helicopter companies, news media, gas stations, grocery stores, hardwares stores and restaurants all increased their bottom line quite handsomely during it. Everyone had an opinion on the stand-off, including many of the residents of the Canim Lake Reserve. There were more than a few people I talked to from the Band who were none too pleased that some Eastern dolt decided to stick their nose in where it did not belong. And that was putting some of the actual language, very politely.

Some of us ‘palefaces’ felt that the government and police response was way over the top. Some thought it was not enough. Others had their own creative ideas for taking care of the entire mess – water bomb the bunch of them, but use fire retardant so they could be identified. Gustafson Lake should never have happened and wouldn’t have but for the intervention of the more militant members of Aboriginal society. I do not believe in citizen militancy unless under government mandate, such as the Canadian Rangers. I do wholly in believe in citizen protest which, IMHO, is world’s apart from militancy.


“50,000 children gone missing” ??????????? What in heaven’s name are you talking about? This is the first time I ever heard this stated. Where did they go missing from? When did they go missing? Why isn’t this general knowledge? What happened to them??? Were their bodies ever found????

WordNet: Oppression

• the act of subjugating by cruelty; "the tyrant's oppression of the people"
• the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or authority: "after years of oppression they finally revolted"
• a feeling of being oppressed

en.wiktionary.org

oppressive:

• subject to oppression
• weighing heavily on the senses or sprit
• laden: burdened psychologically or mentally; “laden with grief”, “oppressed by a sense of failure”
• burdensome, or difficult to bear.

Oppression can be either subjective or objective it seems.

Aboriginals are a nation in terms of race, because you are not Europeans and not white. And also because you have your own languages.

Aboriginals are not a nation in terms of govt or having the power of a state. This means raw power, having exclusive control of a territory that forbids others from entering. Controlling the media. Tunisia and Japan have this, the Cree do not.

Aboriginals have no passports to travel to other countries nor embassies around in countries like Jordan or Chile. Aboriginals should ask, will we ever become like Jordan, Chile, Russia, Egypt or Finland in terms of sovereignty? If you can't answer yes, then Canadians might be treating you condescendingly because we don't ever expect this to happen. We want aboriginals to live happier, better and more satisfying lives. But challenging Canada is a possibly dangerous endeavour.

An increased murder rate is just as likely to mean more folks like Larry Moser
going down try'n to prevent crime, as just the Gangbangers doing each other in.

Teen gets life term for murder of Larry Moser

Don't get me wrong through....I'd love to see all the B.S. Gang-Knobs
disappear in a heartbeat.

P.S. Life as a Teen but sentenced as an Adult = 7yrs - double counted
time on remand. Max on the Youth Criminal Justice Act would have also
meant 7yrs....but only 1/2 of that inside and half of that served in the
community, and the 3&1/2yrs maximum incarceration would have had
the double counted Remand time subtracted from that....so really no
deterrent what so ever as the time on remand would have equaled more
than half of 3&1/2yrs....so the Murderer would have been released right
back into the community immediately after a conviction in court if he'd
have been charged as a Youth.

Last edited by Ron in Regina; Jan 11th, 2010 at 05:49 PM..Reason: added the P.S....

I haven't read ALL the posts here but one thing I did not see mentioned yet related to possible reasons for crime in Saskatoon is the high incidence of fetal alcohol syndrome among the native population. Not sure how high it is among whites but if the Mom drinks while pregnant, no matter what the ethnic background, the baby can pay too high a price. Check out that damage on some site discussing fetal alcohol syndrome. Poverty doesn't help either.
Sasktoon has its west side with older housing and industrial stuff where there is more poverty than on the east side of the river where more professionals live and there is the university. But the west side has many good people working to ungrade the situation, the business group Quint being one of them.
I know first hand that white kids from wwell-off families in the area Lawson Heights on the northwest of the river do a lot of damage crime wise too and there are lots of young folks running around "yahooing" at night on the east side. There are many reasons for crime but I would say that overall, I went everywhere in Saskatoon in the day time and never felt as bothered by beggars or as nervous as I have say in Vancouver or even Kelowna BC where workers heading home at 4 pm in the winter darkness looked over their shoulders to see who's walking behind them down town. I found that odd!
But long time residents in 'Toon said not to go along by the river at night and I always made sure to park near lights or whatever when out at night because senseless head kickings and beatings seemed to be a regular feature.Too much bottled up testosterone and not enough decent economic futures ahead for too many people of all colours in this great country of ours right now IMO.
Over all 'Toon is a very neat city and as safe as many. Go live or play and enjoy!

my family comes from Saskatoon. I have been to Saskatoon so many times that I have lost count. I have lived in Saskatoon for about 6 weeks back at the age of 15 during the summer.

I know for a fact that if you are on the West side of Saskatoon it is not a safe place to be..

the area I've been told is from 22nd st North to the south area, and I cannot say this without appearing racist but a large percentage of the population in that specific area are Natives.

sorry! but it's not like I'm making this up.

I had a native that summer try to take my bike from me, "claiming" it was his bike. I stood my ground and he got nothing, thankfully he wasn't carrying a weapon...

but when you head onto the other side of the River there is a dramatic decrease to the threat of your life.